New product development on AREA-21

grunt1 · Post by **grunt1** » Thu Dec 07, 2006 7:02 pm

tko211 wrote:The older me-262 mold shown in the post by grunt1 is in the trash can! -TKO

** LOUD NOISES COMING FROM BEHIND 21ST CENTURY TOYS HEADQUARTERS **

FieroDude · Post by **FieroDude** » Thu Dec 07, 2006 7:04 pm

chunks wrote:Hey, just had a thought. Sorry, but I'm sure it'll be worth 'bout what all my thoughts are worth. Even so, you are now subjected to it.

With the recent change in detail level, etc, is 21c diversifying? Will there now be a Wally World Grade and a Collectors Grade?

It works for several other manufacturers, and as I recall, 21st was playing around with the idea before with some limited issue collector's pieces (Corsairs, for one) that I don't ever recall seeing make the open market. And in many cases, the same general tooling could be used for both versions. Change out or add some additional detail pieces (for example a simple molded wheel well on the discount version vs. a detailed multi-piece wheel well with separate hydraulic lines and mechanical details on the collector's version). Obviously there are multiple "price-points" in the market--how else can you have FOV selling a die-cast P-51 for $30, Corgi selling one for $90, and GMP for $150?

Rowsdower · Post by **Rowsdower** » Thu Dec 07, 2006 7:39 pm

grunt1 wrote:
tko211 wrote:The older me-262 mold shown in the post by grunt1 is in the trash can! -TKO
** LOUD NOISES COMING FROM BEHIND 21ST CENTURY TOYS HEADQUARTERS **

Of course I had to see that as I was taking a drink of water.

VMF115 · Post by **VMF115** » Thu Dec 07, 2006 8:11 pm

FieroDude I like that idea, also make the wing folding mechanism detailed too.

FieroDude · Post by **FieroDude** » Thu Dec 07, 2006 8:22 pm

It's a common enough concept--I have 1/18 and 1/43 die-cast Ferrari models from the early '90's that range form 1- or 2-piece molded engines (some nothing more than a shaped piece on a flat backing panel) to detailed right down to separate plug wires, hoses, belts, etc. Same with interiors, suspension, etc. The difference is whether the model cost $15 and was made by the truck load, or $100 or more and was limited to a production run of a few hundred or a couple thousand at most.

For you hardcore collectors out there (self included), wouldn't you pay a significant premium for more detailed plane or armored vehicle, especially if is one of a limited production run, possibly with a numbered certificate or such?

Speaking of which, who do we need to hit up to produce lexan display cases up to let's say 30x30x10 inches, maybe with customizable inserts for tarmac, dirt, whatever?

Post by **aferguson** » Thu Dec 07, 2006 8:32 pm

most amusing Grunt1, most amusing...

As someone who has been in this hobby from the beginning i can vouch for what TKO said. 21c had re-planned and announced their 262 long before anyone of us had heard of Admiral Toys. So comments implying that 21c are sloppy seconds are completely unfounded. It's a simple case of two different companies developing the same plane around the same time....it's happened twice already and it will probably happen again. (I still need convincing that the two seater was planned from the start though...heh).

Great news on the 2 man crew. I'm looking forward to this plane more than i have any plane in some time......and that's saying alot. Can't wait to see some paint schemes...

(btw...it's not really that cold here right now....around the freezing mark...and no snow. Much colder and snowier in many parts of the US

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FieroDude · Post by **FieroDude** » Thu Dec 07, 2006 8:38 pm

aferguson wrote: (btw...it's not really that cold here right now....around the freezing mark...and no snow. Much colder and snowier in many parts of the US ).

Yeah, for example, like here. And we are still comparatively warm compared to places like the Dakotas! At least we only got a couple inches of lake effect today--but I feel for those poor saps about 15 miles farther north and east

Morian Miner · Post by **Morian Miner** » Thu Dec 07, 2006 8:44 pm

Boy you guys should be here. Its 55 deg and the wind is blowing. I almost had to break out a windbreaker

chunks · Post by **chunks** » Thu Dec 07, 2006 8:57 pm

Just checked to outside thermometer, hovering right at 31. Much warmer here then in town.

MightyMustang · Post by **MightyMustang** » Thu Dec 07, 2006 9:26 pm

Crap here in Minnesota its a COLD 5 degrees, the high only got to 20 today and with the wind it felt worse.

MightyMustang · Post by **MightyMustang** » Thu Dec 07, 2006 9:35 pm

FieroDude wrote:It's a common enough concept--I have 1/18 and 1/43 die-cast Ferrari models from the early '90's that range form 1- or 2-piece molded engines (some nothing more than a shaped piece on a flat backing panel) to detailed right down to separate plug wires, hoses, belts, etc. Same with interiors, suspension, etc. The difference is whether the model cost $15 and was made by the truck load, or $100 or more and was limited to a production run of a few hundred or a couple thousand at most.

For you hardcore collectors out there (self included), wouldn't you pay a significant premium for more detailed plane or armored vehicle, especially if is one of a limited production run, possibly with a numbered certificate or such?

Speaking of which, who do we need to hit up to produce lexan display cases up to let's say 30x30x10 inches, maybe with customizable inserts for tarmac, dirt, whatever?

I know I'd spend the money for a super detailed 1/18th plane. I know BBI said they toyed with the thought of haveing the removable engine cowling on their F6F along with opening gun bays but they forgot about it because of the fact of the cost it would take to make it along with what it would cost us collectors. The F6F Hellcat will come out next year and I will be no doubt buying one but it would have been cool to have those features.

21st said their Mustangs will soon have the opening wing gun bays which will be cool, but it would have also been cool to see either BBI or 21st have their Mustangs come with removable engine cowlings as well. But oh well they are nice either way.

I've noticed that the more 1/18th planes we see the more detailed they are becoming and thats VERY COOL and I hope they keep it up.

tmanthegreat · Post by **tmanthegreat** » Thu Dec 07, 2006 10:09 pm

MightyMustang wrote:Crap here in Minnesota its a COLD 5 degrees, the high only got to 20 today and with the wind it felt worse.

It was a balmy 65 degrees here in central California, and its even warmer in So Cal. The best weather in the country is always in the Golden State

VMF115 · Post by **VMF115** » Thu Dec 07, 2006 11:00 pm

MightyMustang wrote:Crap here in Minnesota its a COLD 5 degrees, the high only got to 20 today and with the wind it felt worse.

I live in Watertown and your due east from us, its supposed to warm up a bit maybe 40’s so I will send some your way.
Oh that wind from the west, Sorry about that I had beans for lunch

btw, you can keep that cold Canadian air up in Canada.

FieroDude wrote:
aferguson wrote: (btw...it's not really that cold here right now....around the freezing mark...and no snow. Much colder and snowier in many parts of the US ).
Yeah, for example, like here. And we are still comparatively warm compared to places like the Dakotas! At least we only got a couple inches of lake effect today--but I feel for those poor saps about 15 miles farther north and east

Normaly since I moved down here to South Dakota from North Dakota the winters are much warmer with very light snow fall, sure there are a few bitter cold days, but they are few. 3 years ago I bought a snow thrower and a Skidoo Summit 800 HO and only used it 4 times. Now the winters in North Dakota are a different story they are brutally cold.

As for limited editions I bought a 1/12 Ferrari F50 - Red Version Semi-Assembled a great looking car. Spent a small fortune from a Hong Kong dealer to get it

but its worth it.

FieroDude · Post by **FieroDude** » Thu Dec 07, 2006 11:36 pm

VMF115 wrote: As for limited editions I bought a 1/12 Ferrari F50 - Red Version Semi-Assembled a great looking car. Spent a small fortune from a Hong Kong dealer to get it but its worth it.

We won't even talk about it--I have a die-cast 1/8 scale Ferrari Testarossa and 1/8 F-40, both from Pocher Rivarossi... About $300 each, about 6 months each to build, and about 2 feet long and 25+ pounds each. And now, there are all kinds of custom metal "upgrades" on evil bay... so tempting. I wanted to get the 1/8 F-50 from Pocher, but never found it in the US at reasonable price. So all I have is a variety of 1/18 versions... Nice car, though!!!

VMF115 · Post by **VMF115** » Thu Dec 07, 2006 11:40 pm

FieroDude wrote:
VMF115 wrote: As for limited editions I bought a 1/12 Ferrari F50 - Red Version Semi-Assembled a great looking car. Spent a small fortune from a Hong Kong dealer to get it but its worth it.
We won't even talk about it--I have a die-cast 1/8 scale Ferrari Testarossa and 1/8 F-40, both from Pocher Rivarossi... About $300 each, about 6 months each to build, and about 2 feet long and 25+ pounds each. And now, there are all kinds of custom metal "upgrades" on evil bay... so tempting. I wanted to get the 1/8 F-50 from Pocher, but never found it in the US at reasonable price. So all I have is a variety of 1/18 versions... Nice car, though!!!

Crap that’s what I spent on evilbay for my F50 that’s including shipping.

Now I feel like I have been burned

FieroDude · Post by **FieroDude** » Fri Dec 08, 2006 12:05 am

This was back in 1990-1991, when I was in college, VMF... Inflation happens.

VMF115 · Post by **VMF115** » Fri Dec 08, 2006 12:09 am

FieroDude wrote:This was back in 1990-1991, when I was in college, VMF... Inflation happens.

Oh

Jolly Roger · Post by **Jolly Roger** » Fri Dec 08, 2006 4:53 pm

i hope the front wheel of this one doesnt have the "craftmanship" as my Mig from 21c

Moth · Post by **Moth** » Fri Dec 08, 2006 5:15 pm

Jolly Roger wrote:I hope the front wheel of this one doesnt have the "craftmanship" as my Mig from 21c

What do you mean by that?

tko211 · Post by **tko211** » Fri Dec 15, 2006 11:11 am

Update on the Me-262 is now up on AREA-21

MightyMustang · Post by **MightyMustang** » Fri Dec 15, 2006 11:19 am

Nice pics of the 262 but I still cant figure out why 21st would come out with one when Admiral already has one out. The 2 seater I can understand somewhat but a single seater? But I guess the same can be said about BBI bringing out a Corsair when those were already out on the market by 21st.

tko211 · Post by **tko211** » Fri Dec 15, 2006 11:29 am

Like I said all along... a night fighter and single seat version was planned all along!

Look at the F-104 C & G versions. Look at the new halftracks. I think 21C looks for opportunity to make the variants these days. I think it is a smart move. Throw in a little extra part costs and you get a different plane or vehicle. Pretty slick if you ask me!

toyktdlgh · Post by **toyktdlgh** » Fri Dec 15, 2006 11:31 am

Great looking planes.

Maybe they think the market is large enough to support two companies selling the same plane. Of course the paint schemes will be different as well as the level of detail. I’m willing to bet the price will be different as well. If these are selling at Wal Mart for $40 a piece I will certainly grab one of each.

I think 21c has a lot going for it right now and being in Wal Mart means their product will be in just about every town. Maybe that’s why they went ahead with it.

Because they can.

Moth · Post by **Moth** » Fri Dec 15, 2006 11:33 am

Yellow 7 Looks great!

TKO, I remember you said that the 262 will have one feature that has never been seen before on a 1/18 plane, can you say what it is?

tko211 · Post by **tko211** » Fri Dec 15, 2006 11:33 am

toyktdlgh: I think you hit the nail on the head.