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VMF115 · Post by **VMF115** » Sun Jul 30, 2006 12:50 am

A good reference for the Avenger.

http://images.google.com/images?ndsp=20 ... venger+TBF

KAGNEW · Post by **KAGNEW** » Sun Jul 30, 2006 6:23 am

i think when i get mine i'll take .005 Evergreen sheet and cut it in little squares and glue it over the screw holes. then take a 1/64 drillbit to simulate rivots around the edge, it will look like crew chiefs battle damage repair job, give it charactor. "Das U boot shot back"

der Vogelfänger · Post by **der Vogelfänger** » Sun Jul 30, 2006 6:30 am

VMF115, thanks for the pix link

KAGNEW, Crew Chief patches, that is excellent

dV

KAGNEW · Post by **KAGNEW** » Sun Jul 30, 2006 6:42 am

does anyone have a source for 1/18 55 gallon drums? with a little work they could be used as depth charges

, if they put the newer prop & cowl on Avenger then the torpedo could be made into a late war accustic torpedo like the one that sunk the IJN sub in Atlanic.

ostketten · Post by **ostketten** » Sun Jul 30, 2006 7:17 am

does anyone have a source for 1/18 55 gallon drums?

These guys do... http://www.build-a-rama.com/1_18/drums_ ... s_18.shtml
I can tell you from personal experience that their stuff is top quality in every way. Cheers,

Scott

Threetoughtrucks · Post by **Threetoughtrucks** » Sun Jul 30, 2006 7:53 am

Does anyone know the actual dimensions of the depth charges used by the Avenger? Any how many were carried, one or two in the bombbay?

TTT

kevrut · Post by **kevrut** » Sun Jul 30, 2006 8:27 am

Depth charges?,...that's a cool idea.

KAGNEW · Post by **KAGNEW** » Sun Jul 30, 2006 8:34 am

my sources say if 500 pound Db were used 4 were carried. if 350lb were used 6 were carried. but late war favorite was 1, Mk24 Fido (Zombe)

accustic torpedo, which was used to sink I-52, plus two 500lb Db with Anti sub radar.

Big Duke 6 · Post by **Big Duke 6** » Sun Jul 30, 2006 8:57 am

Does anyone know when the next paint scheme is being released ?

Post by **aferguson** » Sun Jul 30, 2006 10:29 am

are you sure the depth charges carried by aircraft were the same drum shaped ones that ships carried?

I was under the impression they were of different design, but i could be wrong.

And yes depth charges would be WAY cool for the Atlantic avenger. Rockets and depth charges are all they carried for Uboat hunting. Not torpedoes.

DocTodd · Post by **DocTodd** » Sun Jul 30, 2006 1:05 pm

Suspect the screw hole deal is a cost saving measure and one remedied by a couple of earlier posts.
Todd

JimBob55 · Post by **JimBob55** » Sun Jul 30, 2006 1:07 pm

I've been checking out my WM's, with no luck so far. The plane looks absolutely great! The screw holes are bothersome, in that all other 21C aircraft has them, too, but are plugged. Hopefully there will be plugs available for this one, too.

Here is a great link that shows some depth charges being dropped:
http://www.uboatarchive.net/U-569.htm

Also, if you follow the links and go to the after-action report, this Avenger used "Mark 17-2 flat-nosed TNT, set for 25' hydrostatic pressure".

Other Avengers were successful with the Mark 24 "Fido" homing torpedo: http://www.uboatarchive.net/U-402-25.htm

One Avenger carried both one Fido and 2 DB's: http://www.uboatarchive.net/U-220ASW6.htm

Fido:

I'm digging around to see if I can find a photo of a depth bomb.

JimBob

Post by **aferguson** » Sun Jul 30, 2006 1:20 pm

wow.....great research. Very interesting stuff...

JimBob55 · Post by **JimBob55** » Sun Jul 30, 2006 1:49 pm

Here's a photo of a Mark 17 depth bomb (325 lb) being loaded on a SOC-3 Seagull.

The U-Boat archives (online) has many after-action reports that list the Mark 17 and Mark 47 depth bombs, and the Mark 24 "aerial mine"...actually an accoustic homing torpedo. The load-out of the DB's could be up to four, which leads me to believe that they were similar in size and loading to a 500-lb general-purpose bomb. The Mark 24's max load seemed to be 2, probably loaded in tandem in the bay. The diameter of the Mark 24 was 19", whereas the Mark 13 torpedo was 22".

Later on, when we get Bush's plane, it was (as were many of the TBM's at that time) was loaded with four 500-lb GP bombs. I've saved bombs from some P-47's and a P-51 to load out my Bush plane.

JimBob

warhawker · Post by **warhawker** » Sun Jul 30, 2006 2:23 pm

nathanita wrote:

On a whim, I decided to take my son on the 1.5 hour roundtrip to "the middle of nowhere", three hours before his birthday party where I found 0 Avengers..

Sorry about the recon! I too have spent the weekend looking for the Avengers! I have gone to a total of 7 WMs here in DFW from Roanoke, Lewisville, Carollton, Addison and Farmers Branch. I even went to Denton's WM, the next closest WM to Gainsville, and 'no-show'! I expect them to hopfully this week to start showing up here since it sounds like they are appearing in BFE locations across the mid-west and calf.
If I recall, the first signings of the Zeros were in remote WMs and within 2 weeks they were trickled down into the rest of the WMs. Can some one clarify this?

KAMIKAZE · Post by **KAMIKAZE** » Sun Jul 30, 2006 5:45 pm

Wow Warhawker. I thought you guys would be crawling with these planes up there. Nathanita is also searching for them. You might coordinate a search to cover more ground. I have found a lot of goodies at The Colonies Walmart.

Mark

tmanthegreat · Post by **tmanthegreat** » Sun Jul 30, 2006 6:04 pm

Just did a huge recon covering well over 80 miles and hitting 6 Wal Marts in the Fresno, Ca. area with no Avengers. This is all the more frustrating because the planes have been sighted well to the north and south of my AO.

Among the many ME-109Gs and P-47s I did come across a very unusual aircraft assortment find at a south Fresno store: 2 "Flying Undertaker" retooled P-51s and 2 "Smoke II" F-104s. Further, the F-104s were in the special editioin "Marinefleiger" boxes

Now I know there will be some disbelief, especially for the $40 "Smoke IIs" but I know my XD planes and I know what I saw. The boxes were new and factory sealed. So, you may want to keep and eye out for these!

Sabrefan · Post by **Sabrefan** » Sun Jul 30, 2006 6:07 pm

Thanks for letting us know that the Smoke II version of the F-104 is at Walmart. I was wondering if they would make it to Walmart.

tmanthegreat · Post by **tmanthegreat** » Sun Jul 30, 2006 6:10 pm

It was a random find. I've seen German F-104s in my area and almost walked by without further glance, until I noticed that the F-104 had green & brown cammo instead of gray and orange

I really wish they had been Avengers

Razor17019 · Post by **Razor17019** » Sun Jul 30, 2006 6:15 pm

Aferg,
The rest of us in the states are searching all over for the Avenger. I know you said where you live does not have WMs or your WMs don't carry XD. Which is it?
What can we do to help you get an Avenger??
Do you have a preorder somewhere?

Post by **aferguson** » Sun Jul 30, 2006 6:20 pm

the WM's dont carry xd up here.

It's ok....i'll eventually snag one on ebay. I'm in no rush but thanks for thinking of me.

Jericoeagle1 · Post by **Jericoeagle1** » Sun Jul 30, 2006 7:41 pm

It seems Washington State is one of the last states to get new products usually.

nathanita · Post by **nathanita** » Sun Jul 30, 2006 9:37 pm

warhawker wrote: Sorry about the recon! I too have spent the weekend looking for the Avengers! I have gone to a total of 7 WMs here in DFW from Roanoke, Lewisville, Carollton, Addison and Farmers Branch. I even went to Denton's WM, the next closest WM to Gainsville, and 'no-show'!

Warhawker, I'm surprised we haven't run into each other as we seem to hitting the same stores. I went to Denton and both Lewisville locations, today, and was heading to Roanoke, tomorrow. I was planning on hitting either Coppell or Southlake, this evening. The word from Oklahoma is the Walmart drivers only know how to drive north, however, I'm not willing to risk another night on the couch to find out.

As Mark mentioned, we should coordinate our search. That way we can buy Avengers from Walmart instead of gas.

pokeyjtc · Post by **pokeyjtc** » Sun Jul 30, 2006 10:23 pm

Did a recon of the NW Houston area WMs on Friday night. Went to 8 stores and found no Avengers. Two of the stores had no 1/18 planes at all and these stores have had planes there recently. I'm hoping they will fill the space with Avengers.

catman · Post by **catman** » Sun Jul 30, 2006 10:51 pm

guys when ur out doing the recon dont leave so quick.. ask the dudes there... and be sure to check near the stuffed animals secitons.. and look up high

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