Whittman Tiger

Moth · Post by **Moth** » Tue Mar 14, 2006 3:47 pm

Is there any information on the Michael Whittman Tiger?
When will it be done?
Any photos?
Will Wal-mart sell it?

Thank you

MG-42 · Post by **MG-42** » Tue Mar 14, 2006 4:45 pm

Estimated retail by next Spring. ........If it does'nt have "zimmermit",.....It's not worth the trouble ordering it,..IMHO.

tko211 · Post by **tko211** » Tue Mar 14, 2006 5:08 pm

The Whittman Tank is a new paint scheme and it will feature a Michael Whittman likeness figure. I doubt it will sell at Wal-Mart due to the nature of the subject and the dedicated box art.

I am not 100% sure of when it is scheduled to release but I don't think it is as far a next spring. If you are into the Special Editions, Historical Tanks or Historical figures then the Whittman tiger is totally worth the money.

I expect there will be more news on this in the near future.

Moth · Post by **Moth** » Tue Mar 14, 2006 5:18 pm

Thank you,
Could you give a hint on the color of it?

MG-42 · Post by **MG-42** » Tue Mar 14, 2006 5:26 pm

Most likely it wil be of a Dark Panzer Yellow scheme w/ New tank #'s,... 007 signifiying Wittmans tank. ..........."tko211" ? ....Will this New tank have a simulated "zimmermit" coating in the mold ? .....

STUKA · Post by **STUKA** » Tue Mar 14, 2006 6:40 pm

I would hope it would be sold at WM - as they will help generate more sales and more fan base to the product. To keep an item only on the internet would be a shot in the foot. Every Box at a WM would be a little advertisement for 21st Century Toys.

As for the zimmermit.. If it comes without it - It will be just another Tiger with another paint job. I already have two.

21st will have to make special effort in small details and accessories if they want customers to buy a third and fourth tiger.

steelbonnet · Post by **steelbonnet** » Wed Mar 15, 2006 2:13 am

Well this sounds great,didn`t know about this

Be great to see them finally do some Updated crew even if it is Wittmann only,though hopefully they will bring out some other crew members on card too? Be a perfect excuse to do that.

As for zimmermit well we`re going to have to see IF they do or not & wait for photos

Though is this Wittmann D Day or Wittmann Eastern Front?

Ja
Steel Bonnet

MG-42 · Post by **MG-42** » Wed Mar 15, 2006 2:57 am

Good question on which Front mate. ...My guess, it's most likely France.

steelbonnet · Post by **steelbonnet** » Wed Mar 15, 2006 5:31 am

MG-42,no doubt mate,no doubt.
Though what with 21st already having Winter Tiger tank,you never know,easier to just work that one & do Wittmann for that?

Though either way once out he`ll be available to put on whichever front you want

Now does this also mean we MAY see Ernst Barkmann & his Panther???

Ja
Steel Bonnet

MG-42 · Post by **MG-42** » Wed Mar 15, 2006 5:41 am

or even an "Otto Carious" introduction. ..

steelbonnet · Post by **steelbonnet** » Wed Mar 15, 2006 7:29 am

That`s true & they can still use the Tiger for him too

Add that Wittmann is LAH & Otto Carious is Heer too. A bit of me is surprised they took the change & did Wittmann actually considering past troubles 21st have had with idiotic consumer complaint groups doing Waffen SS,well WWII germany for that matter.

Still,Hopefully the Wittmann will be the beginning of a range of Actual Tank Ace sets? & ALSO Just as IMPORTANT More Panzer Crews in various Uniforms.

Ja
Steel Bonnet

ZBEAR · Post by **ZBEAR** » Wed Mar 15, 2006 7:35 am

I am not sure if Wittman had a Tiger on the Eastern Front, I think he was still in STUG's at that point. I am not sure though will have to do more research

theToyFederation · Post by **theToyFederation** » Wed Mar 15, 2006 7:47 am

ZBEAR

Wittmann started out in Stugs. During the Kharkov counteroffensive(Feb-March 1943) he was in a Pz III. From Kursk and beyond he had his Tiger. There are several shots of him with his crew posing in front of their Tiger in January 1944. This is the Tiger with the elaborate set of kill rings on the barrel. Dragon Armor's(1/72 scale) first ever release was Wittmann's winter Tiger with the kill rings. Cyber-Hobby (Tiger Ace and Glory) also did the same scheme but with some of the base yellow showing through the whitewash. If 21st did the kill ring Tiger, I could go for that, although a zimmerit Villers-Bocage version or 007 would be better.

theToyFederation · Post by **theToyFederation** » Wed Mar 15, 2006 7:51 am

here is a site that will answer all your questions

http://www.panzerace.net/english/index.asp

steelbonnet · Post by **steelbonnet** » Wed Mar 15, 2006 9:35 am

theToyFederation,
Very nice link mate,thank`s

Though I`m pretty certain he got his first Tiger mount whilst over on the Eastern front

Ja
Steel Bonnet

luftpanzer · Post by **luftpanzer** » Wed Mar 15, 2006 10:16 am

They should inclide his gunner Bobby Whol. I think I spelled his last name right. After Whitman was killed he became a Tiger commander and a tank ace and also a Knights Cross holder. Whitman trained him well.

theToyFederation · Post by **theToyFederation** » Wed Mar 15, 2006 10:50 am

Actually Balthazar (Bobby) Woll won the Knight's Cross as Wittmann's gunner in January 1944. During the Normandy battles Woll already commanded a Tiger so did not share the fate of Wittmann and his entire crew in Tiger 007. He actually survived the war and only recently died in 1996.

luftpanzer · Post by **luftpanzer** » Wed Mar 15, 2006 11:27 am

I should of read the inside of the box for my Bobby Woll dragon action figure I would have had the dates right. Any how they still should include Bobby woll, Him and Whitman where a good team!

steelbonnet · Post by **steelbonnet** » Wed Mar 15, 2006 1:09 pm

True they should include him & then either keep him with Wittmann or you can give him his own Tiger tank

Though as said before this would be the perfect excuse to make a range of NEW panzer crew figures & maybe a head pack inc some famous Panzer Aces headsculpts.
After all it`s not like 21st XD don`t have many Tanks out on the market is it......LOL

Ja
Steel Bonnet

nfafan · Post by **nfafan** » Thu Mar 16, 2006 12:28 am

so - for accuracy sake - it has to have zimm, and could have been one of several mounts Whitmann used in France, including the 007 mount he borrowed and died in.

21C would have to seriously re-work the Tiger for Whitmann in Russia; his most photographed Eastern Front Tigers were "later Earlies" and mid-prod Tigers.

steelbonnet · Post by **steelbonnet** » Thu Mar 16, 2006 2:42 am

That`s the BIG question though isn`t it where 21st is concerned with the TIGER tank.

WILL they do anything apart from a new paint job & insignia???
Will they add Zimmer? Will they do a Eastern Front production run Tiger?

We`ll have to "wait & see" on these though I`m curious as hell to see the Wittmanm figure

Ja
Steel Bonnet

luftpanzer · Post by **luftpanzer** » Thu Mar 16, 2006 8:54 pm

Im sure there is a way to add zimmeret with out major modifications to the Molds. And while they are at it they can do Jochem Pieper's King tiger from battle of the bulge.

flpickupman · Post by **flpickupman** » Thu Mar 16, 2006 8:55 pm

Hell yeah King Tiger!

digger · Post by **digger** » Thu Mar 16, 2006 8:57 pm

luftpanzer wrote:Im sure there is a way to add zimmeret with out major modifications to the Molds....

Not sure you're right there.. I have a feeling if you want it you will have to add it yourself.

steelbonnet · Post by **steelbonnet** » Fri Mar 17, 2006 2:33 am

Well it`s a matter os patients on applying it yourself.

What would be GREAT is those who HAVE done Zimmeret on a 1/18th Tiger or other Tank or custom. That they could do a HOW TO with Step by Step photos too?

I think I have a clear idea though not everyone is into customizing,so a step by step with photos shows how easy things CAN BE & Thus more achievable to those who maybe reluctant to try. Just a thought

For me a King Tiger would be nice,though the question is:- Porche turret or Not??? LOL

Still a XD Peiper would be Great

I have the DML one though an actual articulated one would be nice too

Ja
Steel Bonnet

Small Scale Military Headquarters

Whittman Tiger

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Wittmann Tiger !

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Tigers in the Mud !

The 21C Tiger I is a late steel-wheel Tiger,

eh..