1/18 PHANTOM's

Shin Densetsu · Post by **Shin Densetsu** » Tue Nov 01, 2005 4:29 pm

Vulgar not to play devils advocate, I want a phantom a hella lot as well, but

The Crusader had the highest KILL ratio! I think its a disservice to any vietnam air war fan NOT get the MIg master and phantom in 1/18!!

To me if there is a phantom theres gotta be a sader, plus its cheaper to make!

But don't get me wrong I want a phantom a whole lot too!

vulgarvulture · Post by **vulgarvulture** » Wed Nov 02, 2005 9:27 am

I'd gladly buy either one. There's no doubt about that.

The Phantom has secure place in aviation history for a lot of the reasons mentioned above. I wonder what evaluations BBI or 21st has done regarding cost vs. return for a F-4.

Certainly the cost to manufacture would be higher than normal. But I think the price point could be higher too. Also, it just seems to me that with all the repaint opportunities, both for US and internationally, it could do quite well abroad too (like I'm sure the F-104 is).

Anyway, I can only speculate on the business decision.

But, damn, I sure hope it gets made someday soon.

KAGNEW · Post by **KAGNEW** » Wed Nov 02, 2005 2:11 pm

F-8 was good but only USN & French Navy used them
F-4 was newer and better. plus so many paints possible.
MORE MONEY for who ever does F-4

Shin Densetsu · Post by **Shin Densetsu** » Wed Nov 02, 2005 6:04 pm

Better as an interceptor and strike fighter, but hands down the F-8 was the best dogfighter, I can't really put fault on the phantom though, it was made plainly to intercept, the sader was made outright to dogfight. Theres a reason it was called MIG Master!

The Philippines also used the F-8. They had an interesting 2 tone low viz blue livery.

I am thinking perhaps the phantom could be sold at airports and embassies of the countries it served or still served in? Imagine, travelers walking into Osaka seeing a JASDF 1/18 F-4@Duty Free!!

KAGNEW · Post by **KAGNEW** » Thu Nov 03, 2005 6:44 am

F-4 i think would sell hands down over most any modern large jet fighter.

vulgarvulture · Post by **vulgarvulture** » Thu Nov 03, 2005 7:49 am

Shin Densetsu Posted: Thu Nov 03, 2005 12:04 am:
Better as an interceptor and strike fighter, but hands down the F-8 was the best dogfighter, I can't really put fault on the phantom though, it was made plainly to intercept, the sader was made outright to dogfight. Theres a reason it was called MIG Master!

F-8 MiG Master...a/k/a "The Last of the Gunfighters"

vulgarvulture · Post by **vulgarvulture** » Thu Nov 03, 2005 7:58 am

KAGNEW wrote: F-4 i think would sell hands down over most any modern large jet fighter.

I could not agree more (naturally). Let's hope that BBI or 21st feel the same.

I'd be interested to hear from others on this board regarding the pros and cons of different modern jets vs. the F-4 i.e. why a toy manufacturer should chose one over the other in terms of historical significance and marketability.

KAGNEW · Post by **KAGNEW** » Thu Nov 03, 2005 8:44 am

all but one major plastic model makers make an F-4 in one or more scales
Revell made the first large 1/32 scale F-4 in 1969.Tamiya made 1st 1/32 in 1990, now have 5 versions. each kit $150.00 or more
Revell retooled all theres in 1989
so money must be in large F-4s

Shin Densetsu · Post by **Shin Densetsu** » Thu Nov 03, 2005 10:22 am

It is a little bit smaller than the F-15 and F-14. Therefore it might be a bit cheaper to manufacture and tool. It also has less moving surfaces than the F-14. The dual cockpits are the only snag I think they could hit, those might be a bit difficult, especially since the RIO/WSO spot is cramped enough as is!

Its got more historical significance than ANY of the teen fighters, arguably in general more recognizable, and it is famous.

All the Aces in vietnam were phantom pilots. Many Aces in the IIRIAF and IAF are phantom pilots. Or were at some point.

The only reasoning I could see them putting out a modern jet over this, would be because of modernism but thats really about it.

KAGNEW · Post by **KAGNEW** » Thu Nov 03, 2005 12:13 pm

it looks like F-4s will still be flying when the F-14s are grounded

Post by **p51** » Thu Nov 03, 2005 5:04 pm

Well, I suspect that in a few years the F-14s will become the next F-4 Phantoms and be flying again in the airshow circuit as 'warbirds'. I just hope they don't use the F-14s like they have with the QF-4 Phantoms!

Shin Densetsu · Post by **Shin Densetsu** » Thu Nov 03, 2005 5:36 pm

P-51

I have seen worse......back home the local paper had a picture of some of the mechanics DISMANTLING a F-14D with a chainsaw. SAD indeed! Especially when you know a lot of the D and B airframes still have a lot of flight hours left in their airframes and that the tomcat in itself never reached its full potential due to budgetary constraints.

Ah well at least it ended up on a good note!

And F-4s will be flying for a long time to come, Greece, S Korea, Japan, Turkey and Iran still use it, same with Germany and to an extent, the US with one of its wings being a training wing for the luftwaffe.

And to be fair the reason is that this plane was ordered by many nations, the tomcat was too expensive to buy for many nations that considered it, including Israel, Japan and the UK.

KAGNEW · Post by **KAGNEW** » Fri Nov 04, 2005 8:25 am

i don't think F-14s will ever make it to civil market because the swing wing joints are major reason for retirement

Post by **p51** » Fri Nov 04, 2005 11:57 am

You could say that for a lot of WW2 warbirds as well... like even the wing spars for the B-17 Flying Fortress... or the cracks in the SNJs... but they still did. I suspect we will see F-14s fly again... maybe not in the hands of civilians... but just like these new flying QF-4 Phantoms... it's done by the military.

KAGNEW · Post by **KAGNEW** » Fri Nov 04, 2005 12:26 pm

i hope your right.
i no the Ausies have the same problem with their F-111s.
but i hear they have a crew at MD pulling wing boxes from retired USAF birds all the time.
i don't think many civilians could afford that

Website · Post by **Teamski** » Fri Nov 04, 2005 7:36 pm

p51 wrote:You could say that for a lot of WW2 warbirds as well... like even the wing spars for the B-17 Flying Fortress... or the cracks in the SNJs... but they still did. I suspect we will see F-14s fly again... maybe not in the hands of civilians... but just like these new flying QF-4 Phantoms... it's done by the military.

True, anybody who has the money can do anything. Seeing a Fairey Gannett fly is a miracle in itself!! Could you imagine just how complex that plane is with the contra-rotating propellers and the turbine engine that powers them?? Where do you get spare parts? Amazing.......

-Ski

DocTodd · Post by **DocTodd** » Fri Nov 04, 2005 8:09 pm

Ski, anychance of posting a picture of that bird?
Todd

Post by **p51** » Sat Nov 05, 2005 12:33 am

Not really a Gannett... but here's a very rare Spitfire MK XIX that I had the even more rare op to shoot before it was sent to the UK that has counter rotating props...

KAGNEW · Post by **KAGNEW** » Sat Nov 05, 2005 5:45 am

beautiful pix
what type of camera do you use?

DocTodd · Post by **DocTodd** » Sat Nov 05, 2005 10:07 pm

Cool plane and great pic,
Thanks,
Todd

Website · Post by **Teamski** » Sat Nov 05, 2005 10:12 pm

DocTodd wrote:Ski, anychance of posting a picture of that bird?
Todd

This one isn't the airworthy one, but until recently, the airworthy Gannett was flying out of Minnesota, I believe.

I found this link to Oshkosh showing the Gannett there. This aircraft is currently broke in Gander enroute back to the UK. The Polar Air Museum that owned it went out of business and it was sold. I hope it makes it back!!
http://ipmstoronto.com/articles/aircraf ... /Index.htm

-Ski

KAGNEW · Post by **KAGNEW** » Mon Nov 07, 2005 9:28 am

please give us a Phantom,

vulgarvulture · Post by **vulgarvulture** » Mon Nov 07, 2005 2:04 pm

Hot Damn, I want one of these!

(click on link, then scroll down to "F-4 Phantom added to Customer Photo's Section"):

http://www.bvmjets.com/

It's interesting to note the many different countries the owners are from).

KAGNEW · Post by **KAGNEW** » Mon Nov 07, 2005 3:15 pm

turn key for $19,900.00
to rich for my blood but a nice video.
you could buy a used light plane for that and fly yourself

stv9000 · Post by **stv9000** » Tue Nov 08, 2005 2:48 pm

I want an F14 (worked on them in the navy) an F4 would be nice. Has anyone thought of an A4 SKYHAWK? Its small and would even fit those boxes the stores are so worried about.