Setting the Bar.

tkjaer21 · Post by **tkjaer21** » Thu Mar 01, 2007 9:09 am

Maybe, since AT has brought out the price point of $140 at Toy Fair, that was enough for 21C to give the go ahead for A-List planes in that price range. In a since, AT has pushed the envelope in terms of details and the price range, and started the new era of 1:18 collecting by pulling others into that circle. Competition is good in this case as all companies are working hard to give us the best. I think that spending more money, will set the tone for some very awesome projects. It is expensive, but all in all, it is nothing compared to the Czech company in the same scale for thousands of dollars for each piece. Thankfully, 21C has the means and strength, I can see the B-25 going for about $100.00. It is shorter than BBI's F-18, but with a much larger wingspan. Heck, the F-16 and F-18 went for about that much from BBI. Here, I thought as a kid that the GI Joe USS Flagg was too expensive at $100.00. There was no way my parents would even think about getting me it. Just to think, you could only put two B-25s on that ship.

Morian Miner · Post by **Morian Miner** » Thu Mar 01, 2007 9:29 am

This can be both a good thing and a bad thing. If the market shows customers willing to pay a higher price, it could mean more obscure and larger models you wouldn't see otherwise. However, there is the downside - when marketers realize they can charge the higher prices, and it puts a major damper on the entry-level market.

Best example, take a look and N-scale and HO-scale trains in the late 80's. One company came out with everything as "limited run" and found it helped them charge higher prices and get the consumer to open the wallet sooner (the owner even bragged of this). This set the tone, and soon every company was touting their items as "limited run" and prices went nuts. Now, you see all this "WGH" crap for them to try and bring new blood in the hobby.

So, here's hoping we keep seeing these high-end models, but don't lose sight of how well they (21C) has done with $22 armor and $40 plane at Walmart, or BBi's $20 helos. Both ends of the spectrum are needed.

Quixote511 · Post by **Quixote511** » Thu Mar 01, 2007 9:35 am

Agreed--I think the 40 to 50 dollar price point on the smaller single engine fighters is a good thing. It is comfortable and I think it attracts people. Though, the higher price point models are needed to because it shows people that there is room to go up--and if anything we are always looking for bigger and better.

Threetoughtrucks · Post by **Threetoughtrucks** » Thu Mar 01, 2007 9:58 am

Cost also relates to quality and sturdy construction and it all relates to numbers produced.

21C has produced some great products in 1/6 at super prices. With the numbers produced, and the super value of a sturdy, fairly accurate vehicle at a reasonable price. Smaller production runs of other vehicles by smaller jobbers and customizers have brought prices from three to twenty times the prices 21C can charge.

In some cases, 21C has produced a vehicle costing $129 that equals a vehicle a customizer must charge $1,00 to $1,500.

I'll put the 21C, non RC 1/6 Stuart, up against any current smaller run vehicle costing in the thousands & it's sturdy and if it goes overboard from a shelf or table and smashes, it will make you sad but won't give you a stroke.

As far as I'm concerned 21C has been setting the bar for quite a while. If this new B-25 is a limited run production run at any reasonable price ($100 up to $175), it will sell out quiclky, if even to this board members just hording B-25's just waiting for the day eBay prices skyrocket the original price. Look at todays eBay prices for 1/6 Command Cars and Scout Cars going for $300-$500.

I know, if 21C comes out with an early B-25 and then one of the later war gunships, I'm in for more than one, just for me, even before I get a few more for future resale.

I'd buy multiples of this B-25 (one of my favorite all time great planes) just to see what is next? ......Me-110?.....Black Widow.....or be still thy heart......a Mossie?

I'd love a "Rupurted Dusk" as a tribute to Jimmy Doolitle's raid and the real men who flew the "Rupurted Duck" in "Thirty Seconds Over Tokyo".

TTT

Post by **aferguson** » Thu Mar 01, 2007 10:04 am

triple T, you're starting to talk just like a 'plane' guy...heheh.

USCGSARdog · Post by **USCGSARdog** » Thu Mar 01, 2007 2:16 pm

Yeah, I can hardly believe my ears, er, eyes. Looks like we may have a new wingnut here.

-Rob

Threetoughtrucks · Post by **Threetoughtrucks** » Thu Mar 01, 2007 2:25 pm

Aferg:
I ain't no stinken plane guy, I don't need no stinken planes

Just so happens 21C and Admiral has put out some really neat planes to go with my vehicles.......not no stinken big modern jets nodody interested in WW2 is interested in, with constant whining about no A-10 or whatever it's called, when there are so many great WW2 things on the ground or even in the air that could be produced.

and the only jet is a M-262.

Just remember, the first plane attacked by a M-262 was a Mossie.......so now that we can stop whining about a twin engine bomber, we have to start whining about a Mossie, or a Me-110 or a P-61...or a PBY...or a B-26.....or a B-17, now that's talking.

TTT

75th Ranger · Post by **75th Ranger** » Thu Mar 01, 2007 3:59 pm

TTT,

I agree, "Once a land warrior...always a land warrior"......but some of this planes are nice to have a support for our armor and troops....hahahahaha!

so I'm also in for the B-25 because its cool and part of history!

now give me a CH-47!!!!

Rowsdower · Post by **Rowsdower** » Thu Mar 01, 2007 8:20 pm

Indeed. Armor all the way but a few planes to smuggle cases of booze out to my guys behind the front line are always a good thing.

Plane Nuts · Post by **Plane Nuts** » Thu Mar 01, 2007 11:37 pm

75th Ranger wrote:TTT,

I agree, "Once a land warrior...always a land warrior"......but some of this planes are nice to have a support for our armor and troops....hahahahaha!

so I'm also in for the B-25 because its cool and part of history!

now give me a CH-47!!!!

Is that all you guys think planes are good for is jumpin out of????

chunks · Post by **chunks** » Thu Mar 01, 2007 11:42 pm

Plane Nuts wrote:
75th Ranger wrote:TTT,

I agree, "Once a land warrior...always a land warrior"......but some of this planes are nice to have a support for our armor and troops....hahahahaha!

so I'm also in for the B-25 because its cool and part of history!

now give me a CH-47!!!!
Is that all you guys think planes are good for is jumpin out of????

Well, there is a reason they have parachutes.

chunks · Post by **chunks** » Thu Mar 01, 2007 11:44 pm

Naval Aviator

On a carrier, the Naval Aviator looks over at the Catapult Officer ("Shooter") who gives the run up engines signal by rotating his finger above his head. The pilot pushes the throttle forward, verifies all flight controls are operational, checks all gauges, and gives the Cat officer a brisk salute, continuing the Navy / Marine tradition of asking permission to leave the ship. The Cat officer drops to one knee while swooping his arm forward and pointing down deck, granting that permission. The pilot is immediately catapulted and becomes airborne.

Air Force Pilot

We've all seen Air Force pilots at the air force base look up just before taxiing for takeoff and the ground crew waits until the pilot's thumb is sticking straight up. The crew chief then confirms that he sees the thumb, salutes, and the Air Force pilot then takes off. This time-tested tradition is the last link in the Air Force safety net to confirm that the pilot does not have his thumb up his a$$.

Army Aviator

If you've ever seen an Army helicopter pilot preparing for takeoff, you will note that the pilot gives the ground guy a thumbs up before he is given hover and takeoff signals. There are two theories about the origin of this gesture. One is that it is to show that the pilot has identified which of his fingers is the thumb so that he will be able to properly operate his controls. The most compelling theory says that this is to show the ground crewman that the pilot indeed knows which direction is up.

h/t The Armouror

VMF115 · Post by **VMF115** » Thu Mar 01, 2007 11:47 pm

ROFLMAO

der Vogelfänger · Post by **der Vogelfänger** » Fri Mar 02, 2007 3:02 am

chunks wrote:Naval Aviator

On a carrier, the Naval Aviator looks over at the Catapult Officer ("Shooter") who gives the run up engines signal by rotating his finger above his head. The pilot pushes the throttle forward, verifies all flight controls are operational, checks all gauges, and gives the Cat officer a brisk salute, continuing the Navy / Marine tradition of asking permission to leave the ship. The Cat officer drops to one knee while swooping his arm forward and pointing down deck, granting that permission. The pilot is immediately catapulted and becomes airborne.

Air Force Pilot

We've all seen Air Force pilots at the air force base look up just before taxiing for takeoff and the ground crew waits until the pilot's thumb is sticking straight up. The crew chief then confirms that he sees the thumb, salutes, and the Air Force pilot then takes off. This time-tested tradition is the last link in the Air Force safety net to confirm that the pilot does not have his thumb up his a$$.

Army Aviator

If you've ever seen an Army helicopter pilot preparing for takeoff, you will note that the pilot gives the ground guy a thumbs up before he is given hover and takeoff signals. There are two theories about the origin of this gesture. One is that it is to show that the pilot has identified which of his fingers is the thumb so that he will be able to properly operate his controls. The most compelling theory says that this is to show the ground crewman that the pilot indeed knows which direction is up.

h/t The Armouror

THIS IS TOO COOLLLLLL!!!!

Thanks!!!!!

MG-42 · Post by **MG-42** » Fri Mar 02, 2007 4:49 am

HAHAHA !!! "funny".

........ On another note though ,.... I too agree with you "triple T".

tkjaer21 · Post by **tkjaer21** » Fri Mar 02, 2007 8:31 am

Dont forget the ships that brought the grond and airpower to the for-front of the war.