Selling your soul to the devil

Light.Inf.Scout · Post by **Light.Inf.Scout** » Mon Feb 26, 2007 2:24 pm

PN - your Tender Terror got lost in the mail??? Are they going to replace it? Sorry if this rehashing old stuff and/or brings up bad feelings. Oh, BTW, at about 300 now.

sarge · Post by **sarge** » Mon Feb 26, 2007 3:28 pm

Light.Inf.Scout wrote:PN - your Tender Terror got lost in the mail??? Are they going to replace it? Sorry if this rehashing old stuff and/or brings up bad feelings. Oh, BTW, at about 300 now.

Now now don't blame this guy for what Ebay is famous for. That's why I don't deal with them anymore. have a good one. Sarge

MightyMustang · Post by **MightyMustang** » Mon Feb 26, 2007 4:03 pm

Its up to $305. Wow. I guess tko saying that it go for $200 and some change was way off. I'm betting $400 before its all said and done. Maybe more. And it still has 4 days to go.

luftpanzer · Post by **luftpanzer** » Mon Feb 26, 2007 4:28 pm

Yes ebay is strange place indeed when it comes to why prices are driven up. A few years back I had a couple of the 1/6th pak 40s listed with buy it now price of $75.00. One went for $68.00 the other for $75.00 and the last for $175.00. And they all started at $1.00. go figure

DocTodd · Post by **DocTodd** » Mon Feb 26, 2007 6:21 pm

I am wondering if these are worth more now or will they be worth more later. The only reason I am asking is due to past experience with Star Wars when the original 1995 era Princess Liea came out it was going for upwards of $60 on the secondary market. And now you have a hard time giving these away. I realize that this plane is much cooler than Star Wars figures and produced in small numbers which would make you think it will be worth more the longer time goes by. Just a thought because there have been several instances where collectible items are popular and go for alot initially but then things cool off and they bring a fraction of the price.
Todd

vmf214 · Post by **vmf214** » Mon Feb 26, 2007 6:55 pm

Honestly can't see that happening with these, but you never know. Thing is, there will be no more, none, nada, zilch. I'd say they'll continue to go up, in my opinion.

MightyMustang · Post by **MightyMustang** » Mon Feb 26, 2007 6:58 pm

I not only collect 1/18th airplanes but Horror Movie figures as well, plus Transfomer Figs and 1969 Dodge Charger diecast cars. So heres what I've learned by collecting these things. First I have a Jason Voorhees Friday The 13th Part 3 figure made by Side Show toys. Its a limited Edition run of only 7500 made worldwide. When Side Show first released it it was $40 bucks. That was I think 3 yrs ago. Now he goes for $300 plus on Ebay. Why? Because Side Show does not make that Jason figure anymore. Then I have what is called Master Peice Optimus Prime made by Takara Inc. He goes for well over $100 on Ebay and more. I bought Optimus before Takara included the trailer and so fourth so now with that included he goes for even a higher price. Plus if you buy the Japanese Master Peice Optimus Prime you are going to pay more because he has more diecast then the U.S version. Then to top it off I'm a big collector of diecast 1969 Dodge Chargers. The most expensive one I have is 1/18th scale painted in what is called Ice Blue colors with a white top. You never see this for sale on Ebay because of how rare it is and only so many were made by Hot Wheels.

This all being said I think as time goes by Tender Terror will become a big seller by those who own one or who want to sell one. 21st only made so many never to be massed produced. Just look at the going price for the one on Ebay right now and that should tell you of what the value is going to be for these Mustangs as time goes on. Tender Terror is not just a one time thing that wont draw huge prices now but it will be even more as time goes on I believe. What you see on Ebay is just the beginning.

Just my thoughts mind you......

vmf214 · Post by **vmf214** » Mon Feb 26, 2007 7:08 pm

Well said. As a veteran toy airplane collector (30+ yrs) I know exactly what you're saying. I collect gas planes as well, and just a couple years ago you could get a NIB condition Cox Stuka .049 gas plane for around $175. Now you're lucky to touch one for $300 unless you happen on a mis-listed sleeper. I've seen them bring close to $500 in just the past year. I sold off my Cox WW1 collection a couple years ago and talk about laugh all the way to the bank, couldn't believe it!

Morian Miner · Post by **Morian Miner** » Mon Feb 26, 2007 7:17 pm

DocTodd wrote:I am wondering if these are worth more now or will they be worth more later. The only reason I am asking is due to past experience with Star Wars when the original 1995 era Princess Liea came out it was going for upwards of $60 on the secondary market. And now you have a hard time giving these away. I realize that this plane is much cooler than Star Wars figures and produced in small numbers which would make you think it will be worth more the longer time goes by. Just a thought because there have been several instances where collectible items are popular and go for alot initially but then things cool off and they bring a fraction of the price.
Todd

Keep in mind on the Monkey Leia. That was the first series of the rerelease of the POTF line, and they only had her one to a box (along with 3PO). In those first few months, it was a nightmare. Within 6 months, she was everywhere, and in the time since they've learned how to sculpt figures. So, no one wants the ugly mug anymore (not to mention that figure has a major flaw in the torso casting and breaks apart within a few years).

Its the same thing with game consoles at Christmas. The "I have to have it now" causes people to pay ridiculous sums right away, then in a few months they sit on the shelves.

Haven't figured it out, maybe its Walmart's distribution, but 21C is the opposite. I remember the one Walmart with stacks of $20 Shermans, Hueys, RAF P40s, and such. A whole aisle! And they sat there. Unfortunately, I only bought a few. Now, people are all over these.

Oh well, just keep in mind no one in their right mind is into toy collecting to make money.

Morian Miner · Post by **Morian Miner** » Mon Feb 26, 2007 7:19 pm

Also, if this thing does top the $400 mark, I expect to see more hit eBay. I'm sure there are more than a few out there that are on the edge of keep it/sell it to buy other things.

vmf214 · Post by **vmf214** » Mon Feb 26, 2007 7:55 pm

Well hopefully if this thing does top the $400 reserve my boy doesn't lose a sale as he's going thru a problem with Paypal. Apparantly some monkeydick from Poland bought some stuff from him awhile back, my boy shipped the stuff, has a postmarked receipt to prove it, and the monkeydick in question filed a complaint via Paypal for non-receipt. Now keep in mind the items shipped via airmail on the 20th of this month and it's now the 26th, hardly enough time to get there. Looks like this ass is trying to not only get the items but his money back as well. Of course Paypal already took the funds from him pending outcome. Geez this hits a nerve with me, I just nearly got rooked on ebay myself and it was like pulling teeth to get my money back from Paypal, took several weeks and only got it as turned the seller over to ebay and he finally refunded my money, wasn't anything PP did. Even with proof of shipment the morons still took the money. Told him wouldn't give it back unless could prove the buyer recv'd the items. What the @#%$! Guess he should've rented an ocean going tug or something and hand delivered the stuff to this upstanding ebayer from Poland.. If any of you guys have bids in on this don't be surprised if they get cancelled as I told him to just cancel the bids and revise it to a non paypal auction and to not ship overseas. That's my recommendation anyways..

tpa05 · Post by **tpa05** » Mon Feb 26, 2007 7:57 pm

On a different note, why the problem with Poland?

vmf214 · Post by **vmf214** » Mon Feb 26, 2007 8:01 pm

No problem with Poland, just a problem with a freakin' dirtbag thief from Poland, savvy...

pickelhaube · Post by **pickelhaube** » Mon Feb 26, 2007 8:17 pm

I really wish that I would have went all the way and been a double ace. zi do not think that I would sell the second one but it would of been nice to keep one in the box and took the other one out and played with it. I will keep the one I have ( in the living room). Until my wife says it is time to go and then I will put it back in the shipping box and put it out in the work/hooby shed.

Plane Nuts · Post by **Plane Nuts** » Mon Feb 26, 2007 9:18 pm

Light.Inf.Scout wrote:PN - your Tender Terror got lost in the mail??? Are they going to replace it? Sorry if this rehashing old stuff and/or brings up bad feelings. Oh, BTW, at about 300 now.

I would feel better if it was lost in the mail!! Actual story is much better, as UPS dropped it off on the doorstep somewhere and have-not/will-not/cannot-because they-don't-know-where-it-is pick it up to send in the right direction. I'm not particularly upset about it because it is partially my fault, but I will be watching every auction for one of these very carefully!!! At this point, I don't know what the status of it is, but I believe it will be straightened out at some point.

Sarge: I don't understand what you mean, so forgive me if I took it wrong. I have confidence that this Tender Terror is not the one that should be mine. But if I find the one that should be mine up for auction, I will be discussing options of recourse with the seller.

MightyMustang · Post by **MightyMustang** » Mon Feb 26, 2007 9:24 pm

A double Ace? I have thought about that one a few times myself but back then I just wanted one. Another Terror would have been nice just to keep in the box but I am happy with what I have and feel fortunate just to be apart of a small group of guys to have taken part in the contest. To vmf214. I hope your son makes a killing on this but I hope he doesnt end up regretting it because these are one of a kind Mustangs. But hey if he can make a profit and buy something else he might enjoy then all the power to him. God only knows there will be another 357th Mustang he can own like Old Crow, which will be hitting the shelves soon. For me though this Mustang is special in so many ways and I wont even go into the story I could tell about it and why. I had many opportunites to sell mine and make a good amount of money but in the end I passed. I dont regret it either.

vmf214 · Post by **vmf214** » Mon Feb 26, 2007 9:34 pm

I doubt he'll regret it, it's the last XD he owns, completely lost interest in planes altogether, fickle I guess. Sells the crap outta them but doesn't collect. I kinda pushed it on him though, to collect. Just thought it was neat to go on the hunt together. I'm a private pilot and tried to lasso him into flying by taking him up but no dice, I was even gonna pay for the lessons! In the end it comes down "to each his own" I guess, even if it's your kids.

MightyMustang · Post by **MightyMustang** » Mon Feb 26, 2007 9:38 pm

vmf214 wrote:I doubt he'll regret it, it's the last XD he owns, completely lost interest in planes altogether, fickle I guess. Sells the crap outta them but doesn't collect. I kinda pushed it on him though, to collect. Just thought it was neat to go on the hunt together. I'm a private pilot and tried to lasso him into flying by taking him up but no dice, I was even gonna pay for the lessons! In the end it comes down "to each his own" I guess, even if it's your kids.

Well you tried vmf214. As you said "to each his own". Again I hope he makes a killing and the last time I looked its pushing the $400 mark. He may end up with alot of money when all is said and done.

STUKA · Post by **STUKA** » Mon Feb 26, 2007 9:42 pm

i bid a few times - but way out of my range -

nooker21 · Post by **nooker21** » Tue Feb 27, 2007 2:07 am

What did the country of Poland do to get banned from this auction?

pickelhaube · Post by **pickelhaube** » Tue Feb 27, 2007 5:55 am

The higher this thing goes will prove that the ace contest was worth it. To use collectors. It looks like a couple of newbees are in a pee-pee contest to out bid each other. This WILL drive the price up! This could cause a false sence of price unless someone comes in at the last 30 seconds or so and slams a high bid price.
How much did the trop 109 go for $550? That was a one of a kind and this is a low production run of about 200. I predict it will go for about $650. TKO said about $450 in one of his posts. The $650 bid will be a XD collector who missed the boat on the contest and will want to make up for this.
As collectors we invested $160 to get our T. Terror . That genrerated about $32,000 gross to 21st Toys. When Wal-Mart puts there planes on sale for about $15-$20 I would speculate that is the actual price of the typical plane . So $15 X 200 = $3000 not a lot of money to do a special run. So I think that this could be the last contest for a very long time. Unless I have no idea what I am talking about.

sarge · Post by **sarge** » Tue Feb 27, 2007 6:19 am

vmf214 wrote:Well hopefully if this thing does top the $400 reserve my boy doesn't lose a sale as he's going thru a problem with Paypal. Apparantly some monkeydick from Poland bought some stuff from him awhile back, my boy shipped the stuff, has a postmarked receipt to prove it, and the monkeydick in question filed a complaint via Paypal for non-receipt. Now keep in mind the items shipped via airmail on the 20th of this month and it's now the 26th, hardly enough time to get there. Looks like this ass is trying to not only get the items but his money back as well. Of course Paypal already took the funds from him pending outcome. Geez this hits a nerve with me, I just nearly got rooked on ebay myself and it was like pulling teeth to get my money back from Paypal, took several weeks and only got it as turned the seller over to ebay and he finally refunded my money, wasn't anything PP did. Even with proof of shipment the morons still took the money. Told him wouldn't give it back unless could prove the buyer recv'd the items. What the @#%$! Guess he should've rented an ocean going tug or something and hand delivered the stuff to this upstanding ebayer from Poland.. If any of you guys have bids in on this don't be surprised if they get cancelled as I told him to just cancel the bids and revise it to a non paypal auction and to not ship overseas. That's my recommendation anyways..

My Daughter got ripped off the same way only this guy was from NY. Claimed he never received the items even though my daughter had her receipts. Guy wound up getting a refund and got to keep the items. Daughter wound up getting screwed. She quit dicken with EBay. Maybe your son should take your advise and cancel it and start over. Good luck to him. Have a good one. Sarge

vmf214 · Post by **vmf214** » Tue Feb 27, 2007 8:51 am

nooker21 wrote:What did the country of Poland do to get banned from this auction?

Apparantly Poland is a country that Paypal doesn't support meaning a buyer there can purchase your item, pay for it via Paypal, get the items, then file a false claim thru Paypal and get a refund. There is no seller protection from Paypal if you accept payments from this country. Can't believe the moxy PP has, the right hand definitely doesn't know what the left hand is doing. I mean he as a USPS customs receipt that he did online and it is also post marked and PP says "doesn't matter". How idiotic! How can a seller be responsible for delivery unless he personally delivers the item? To me bonifide proof of shipment should be all you need. I did suggest taking it to the legal level, PP seems to be getting a little too big for their britches...

vmf214 · Post by **vmf214** » Tue Feb 27, 2007 10:16 am

Well he was forced the canex the auction, even though cancelled bids it wouldn't let him revise so I said to just kill it and relist so that's what's happening as we speak. I personlly hate reserve auctions so told him to pull that, I'm confident it'll bring decent money. He was worrying about previous bidders not coming back but hey, if they're quiffed about it you probably wouldn't want to deal with them anyway... At least Paypal is out of the picture now, still can't believe their nerve. I've been with them since they were X.com and have noticed since ebay got involved with them they've declined in customer service. Get this, when my boy called them yesterday to complain about the Polish buyer the gal he was talking to made a comment that at least his car didn't get broke into and have 4 TV's stolen like she just did...What a friggin' dildo! Makes you wonder what she was doing with 4 TV's...