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warhawker · Post by **warhawker** » Mon Feb 12, 2007 8:49 am

Let me get this right, the King Tiger will be 1/18 as well as the 88?
Someone needs to break all of this news down by manufacture to scale to version.

warhawker · Post by **warhawker** » Mon Feb 12, 2007 8:51 am

Never mind, I saw the post on 21st website. Still we need a comprehensive breakdown per manufacture per scale to item on all of this great news!

Rowsdower · Post by **Rowsdower** » Mon Feb 12, 2007 10:00 am

This is great news concerning the King Tiger and 88!!

MightyMustang · Post by **MightyMustang** » Mon Feb 12, 2007 12:13 pm

I just looked again at the 21st Website and I love "Old Crow". THATS how it should be done. In NMF not the green/grey scheme BBI came out with. I cant wait to get me hands on "Old Crow" and "Big Beautiful Doll".

Jericoeagle1 · Post by **Jericoeagle1** » Mon Feb 12, 2007 2:49 pm

Has BBI or 21st shown any new aircraft at Toyfair except for the Hellcat? I wonder if Admiral kinda broadsided them? Its also odd that BBI wants to introduce a 1/32 scale F-4 and Dauntless, what a coincidence.

normandy · Post by **normandy** » Mon Feb 12, 2007 3:57 pm

Just fantastic news about the King Tiger and the 88. Nice going 21st!!! I have cash in hand, just tell me when.

These are going to be great.

Threetoughtrucks · Post by **Threetoughtrucks** » Mon Feb 12, 2007 4:55 pm

My pics of the TF:

http://community.webshots.com/album/557602336SjczDn

Sorry guys, my pics are limited...camera went on the fitz at the 21C both.

Admiral CEO, Jim Foringer, was very sharing with info, said if the F4 sells well a B-25 could be done by them. That in itself was great news.

Jim says the F4 should be out by Christmass and the Dauntless is hoped for release this summer. Sorry guys but I forgot what he said about release of the Skyraider, could also be Christmass.

21C's Mike Cordero was another ace as far as I'm concerned, open and informative. Bad news for me is that 1/6 is practically dead as far as 21C is concerned

Mike said the 1/18 KT should be out by summer. My bad, but I did not see the 1/18 88mm, just the 1/32 with a ton of other 1/32 stuff, some brand new, some old. I didn't ask Mike about it, I didn't know about it.

These two guys are great guys, everything the hobby could ask for.

TTT

FieroDude · Post by **FieroDude** » Mon Feb 12, 2007 6:17 pm

I met Mike at the Chicago show last fall and he was really fun to talk to--you coould tell how much fun he had talking about their products to a real fan and not just another corporate buyer who wouldn't know the difference between a P-40 and an F-16 (prop vs. jet, right? jk).

I have never had to a chance to speak with Jim but have spoken with Jason on a occasion, and I agree totally--these are the kind of people that make me truly enjoy being in this hobby!

CW4USARMY · Post by **CW4USARMY** » Mon Feb 12, 2007 6:38 pm

Threetoughtrucks wrote:My pics of the TF:

http://community.webshots.com/album/557602336SjczDn

Sorry guys, my pics are limited...camera went on the fitz at the 21C both.

Admiral CEO, Jim Foringer, was very sharing with info, said if the F4 sells well a B-25 could be done by them. That in itself was great news.

Jim says the F4 should be out by Christmass and the Dauntless is hoped for release this summer. Sorry guys but I forgot what he said about release of the Skyraider, could also be Christmass.

21C's Mike Cordero was another ace as far as I'm concerned, open and informative. Bad news for me is that 1/6 is practically dead as far as 21C is concerned

Mike said the 1/18 KT should be out by summer. My bad, but I did not see the 1/18 88mm, just the 1/32 with a ton of other 1/32 stuff, some brand new, some old. I didn't ask Mike about it, I didn't know about it.

These two guys are great guys, everything the hobby could ask for.

TTT

You da Man!! Great pics!nThanks!

Plane Nuts · Post by **Plane Nuts** » Mon Feb 12, 2007 8:29 pm

Timbo wrote:
Plane Nuts wrote: Well, it's a lot like the Snake Stuka, where more recent research has made a significant change on the coloring. I highly doubt that anything real significant has turned up with BBD. In fact, it's still not as good as it could be since the kill markings are more overtly PC than Bad Cats' exclusive. My point is that this is trying to sell plastic using flashy colors over and over, while there were thousands of P-51s in the war (and post war with National Guard and foreign armies) with just as deserving pilots as this plane that we aren't seeing because 21st thinks people will only buy the famous and flashy ones.
A little off topic but has anyone actually seen these new Stuka pictures? I've been looking since this was first mentioned last year and I still haven't seen them.

Only on the 1:32 version that flooded WalMart at Christmas. But this was also my point. It's not likely we will see the revised Stuka (just fine by me), and with a good number of alternative schemes, 21st doesn't need to return to the past to redo a scheme that's already been done.

TKO: Thanks for the explanation. I did not realise that it was a totally different airplane, but then I saw what you were indicating and it might be ok to put on the market afterall!

I know that they will be able to sell more models on the flash value alone, but it would be nice if we got a bit more variety out of it. Were getting an awful lot of planes out the same squadrons lately.

tko211 · Post by **tko211** » Mon Feb 12, 2007 9:26 pm

No worries! The Big Beautiful Doll question was actually a really great one. Most people might not know the difference or perhaps might not have cared. So I was actully really glad you brought it up in fact! It needed to be asked. There will be plenty of mustang schemes that will come out over the years. I already know of at least one more that 21st has planned.

thetatau87 · Post by **thetatau87** » Mon Feb 12, 2007 10:39 pm

tko211 wrote:I already know of at least one more that 21st has planned.

Detroit Miss?

I would love to see Urban Drew's Mustang in 1:18. I already have the 1:32 dog fight set, but the 1:32 P-51 and Me-262 are not up to the current standard. I started to convert my BBI Mustang to the Detroit Miss scheme, but I have yet to finish it.

ARMY GROUP 1 · Post by **ARMY GROUP 1** » Tue Feb 13, 2007 12:55 am

In the 9th photo on the 21st site i can see i think the half track pak40, but the angle makes it look strange. Hope for new photos soon to get a good look. Even the old magnify glass did not help work out why it seemed funny.

Jesse James · Post by **Jesse James** » Tue Feb 13, 2007 5:30 am

The PAK 40 Halftrack was at Toy Fair... And the word we got from 21st was that the King Tiger would be out hopefully by Fall '07 and the 88 is due out right around the corner but there's issues with pricing the retailers want, and what 21st wants to deliver at that price and such... having to do with crew pack-in(s) and such.

The range finder German posted on the 21st website the other day was also made specifically with the 88 in mind, or so was said.

Our reporter said the 21st guys were a great booth to deal with, as were the people representing BBI. Both very cordial, very giving with information and excitement about talking about the product(s) they were showing. After some of the stuff our guys were through there, it was refreshing for them to get really positive people.

luftpanzer · Post by **luftpanzer** » Tue Feb 13, 2007 7:00 am

Its a shame that 1/6th is dead with 21stC. That is how thay started out.
They could really do some nice vehicles. Any one ask about the 1/4 scale humvee and willys jeep that was at the show 2 years ago?

flpickupman · Post by **flpickupman** » Tue Feb 13, 2007 8:21 am

tko211 wrote:Big Beautiful Doll...
well there are several reasons actually.
1. It is the most popular selling scheme bar none! 21c has some great intel / sources in the industry and BBD is just a hands down winner all the time!
2. This version is very different from the first release in many ways. 1. the new tooling, 2. this version is a last version Landers flew and it features the full 3 rows of checkers on the wingtips. 3. the paint colors are improved over the last one. 4. Cowl checkers have been corrected to the actual scale size 5. the other one is kinda old and many new fans are demanding this scheme having missed the first issue.

In most cases you are correct that it makes no sense to re run schemes. But in a very few cases depending on the situations it makes good sense.

Hope that helps.

Let's not forget Miss Marilyn. That's the only P-51D I currently own. It's also likely the only scheme that could get me to lay down the coin for a 1/18th D model. Even you have admitted it's one you'd like to see.

Fitzystigertank · Post by **Fitzystigertank** » Tue Feb 13, 2007 9:56 am

in the 3rd pic on 21st century toys website theres a bunker with an AA gun on top. It reminds of the AA guns in the game Brothers in Arms that is on the consoles. Thats a cool item to have

Post by **aferguson** » Tue Feb 13, 2007 10:14 am

that's the 32x flakvierling. Another 'must have' in 1/18 some day.

mountian-man · Post by **mountian-man** » Tue Feb 13, 2007 12:46 pm

MightyMustang wrote:I just looked again at the 21st Website and I love "Old Crow". THATS how it should be done. In NMF not the green/grey scheme BBI came out with. I cant wait to get me hands on "Old Crow" and "Big Beautiful Doll".

Are the BBI green an grey paint schemes for Anderson's plane inaccurate? I haven't been able to find a pic of a P-51D with those markings, only the B version.

hworth18 · Post by **hworth18** » Tue Feb 13, 2007 12:59 pm

mountian-man wrote: Are the BBI green an grey paint schemes for Anderson's plane inaccurate? I haven't been able to find a pic of a P-51D with those markings, only the B version.

After D-day, American Fighter/Bomber squadrons moved their bases to France and the European continent.. Allied commanders feared that the NMF and D-day stripes would make the Allied fighters and Bombers too vulnerable to German air attacks while on the ground, so it was ordered that planes upper surfaces be repainted in Olive Drab.. This only lasted a short time when it was decided that the German Luftwaffe didn't pose a threat anymore and many squadrons went back to the NMF..

So yes, the OD/Gray finish is accurate....

MightyMustang · Post by **MightyMustang** » Wed Feb 14, 2007 7:10 am

mountian-man wrote:
MightyMustang wrote:I just looked again at the 21st Website and I love "Old Crow". THATS how it should be done. In NMF not the green/grey scheme BBI came out with. I cant wait to get me hands on "Old Crow" and "Big Beautiful Doll".

Are the BBI green an grey paint schemes for Anderson's plane inaccurate? I haven't been able to find a pic of a P-51D with those markings, only the B version.

Nope its not inaccurate but the NMF scheme on Old Crow was the most famous version of Bud Andersons P-51D. Bud actually favored the green/grey scheme and argued loudly that his P-51 was stripped of the green/grey finish. But again the green/grey finish is accurate but just not my favorite.

mountian-man · Post by **mountian-man** » Wed Feb 14, 2007 10:52 am

Thanks alot for the insight MightyMustang and hworth18

Quixote511 · Post by **Quixote511** » Wed Feb 14, 2007 11:34 am

I didn't know 21st was responsible for those damn low rider toys clogging up the aisles at WM. Though, I am interested by their football line.

MandaloreSC · Post by **MandaloreSC** » Wed Feb 14, 2007 12:43 pm

I love the king tiger and the 88!
Congratulations 21st - those two are damn good decissions you have made.
My favorite tank so far is the tiger I. I love the fact that the turret is removable and the interior is detailed. I hope the King Tiger will also have these features, but I doubt it. I believe Walmart puts pressure on the price level and 21st has to save productions costs whereever they can.

I wish I've had the chance to ask the guys from 21st some questions at the toy fair. I'd love to know if there is a chance for a re-release of the first paratrooper wave. Esspecially those german Fallschrimjäger are impossible to find for a reasonable price right now. tko221, could you please ask Roy this question for me?

Post by **aferguson** » Wed Feb 14, 2007 2:37 pm

Those football figures are Gracelyn/Fleer Re-Plays. 5 inch-ish figures.

I don't know if 21c has bought them out or if they were posted in with 21c pics by mistake? Or maybe 21c makes the figures for Gracelyn?

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