POST 21C MIG 15 & F-86 SABRE FINDS AND DISCUSSION HERE

Quixote511 · Post by **Quixote511** » Wed Sep 20, 2006 5:19 am

No doubt, I find it weirder than all get out that something showed up first in the Cin-Day Corridor. This gives me a renewed interest for the search. I will case Dayton tonight and see if I find anything.

toyktdlgh · Post by **toyktdlgh** » Wed Sep 20, 2006 5:21 am

digger wrote:toyktdlgh, dry your eye - at least they are in your AO!

Your right, and soon they will be in my closet.

hworth18 · Post by **hworth18** » Wed Sep 20, 2006 10:40 am

Migs finally appeared in the 71st and 129th Walmart in B/A.. There are 3 of them along the back wall..
No F-86's yet, and NO new 32x stuff...

hworth18 · Post by **hworth18** » Wed Sep 20, 2006 11:21 am

STARMAN 352ND wrote:The F-86 is on ebay right now go check it out.
JP
Ebay #2900031812487

Try 290031812487

Got your back man....

hworth18 · Post by **hworth18** » Wed Sep 20, 2006 12:11 pm

STARMAN 352ND wrote:Hey Harry,
I'm going to wait out for the Huff.
I think it looks better.
JP

I won't be getting either, but the Me-262 is definitely on my list..

Sabrefan · Post by **Sabrefan** » Wed Sep 20, 2006 12:13 pm

I will be getting all the F-86 paint schemes, after all I am the Sabrefan.

tpa05 · Post by **tpa05** » Wed Sep 20, 2006 1:08 pm

What's Walmart charging for the Mig and the Sabre? Here in Tampa the Avenger went for $69.

hworth18 · Post by **hworth18** » Wed Sep 20, 2006 1:09 pm

tpa05 wrote:What's Walmart charging for the Mig and the Sabre? Here in Tampa the Avenger went for $69.

The jets are the regular $40 price tag...

tpa05 · Post by **tpa05** » Wed Sep 20, 2006 1:46 pm

Cool. For what it's worth, I combed the 6 'marts here in Tampa and no joy on anything good. We had a few cool birds including the Flying Undertaker, the "Eileen" P-47 and an Avenger (one of each) about 2 weeks ago but nothin' new since.

tko211 · Post by **tko211** » Sat Sep 23, 2006 10:17 pm

I am posting this tonight from my hotel room in San Francisco. I spent much of my Friday afternoon visiting 21st Century Toys staff. During this visit I had the opportunity to review a finished sample of the Huff F-86 Sabre. First impression was "hey this is a very cool looking model".

The more I looked the more I liked. The detail in the cockpit is outstanding! I really liked the web belts. There are neat details like the formation light inside the canopy behind the seat rest. The Gun sight is 21st has ever done. The nose gear is perfect looking with a correct folding nose door. Also the deep intake once seen in person I think will make a huge difference! This model is sturdy, well engineered, and is host to many nice details. The fit and finish of the removable panels to gun bays work perfectly. They are pressure fit with a little notch to help hold them in place. If you don't know that they are removable you might not ever know to open them (they fit in the sides that well!). The guns are also nice as each gun is seperate molded piece gluded into position for maximum detail. Like the 21st Spitfires the F-86 features clear colored plastic nav lights in all correct postitions. (once again, my favorite is the amber collored light inside the canopy)

Bottom line- this is one very cool airplane! It demonstrates once again the ability and talent of the 21st Product development team. I can't wait to see what everyone else thinks of the new Sabre.

VMF115 · Post by **VMF115** » Sat Sep 23, 2006 11:41 pm

tko211 wrote:I am posting this tonight from my hotel room in San Francisco. I spent much of my Friday afternoon visiting 21st Century Toys staff. During this visit I had the opportunity to review a finished sample of the Huff F-86 Sabre. First impression was "hey this is a very cool looking model".

The more I looked the more I liked. The detail in the cockpit is outstanding! I really liked the web belts. There are neat details like the formation light inside the canopy behind the seat rest. The Gun sight is 21st has ever done. The nose gear is perfect looking with a correct folding nose door. Also the deep intake once seen in person I think will make a huge difference! This model is sturdy, well engineered, and is host to many nice details. The fit and finish of the removable panels to gun bays work perfectly. They are pressure fit with a little notch to help hold them in place. If you don't know that they are removable you might not ever know to open them (they fit in the sides that well!). The guns are also nice as each gun is seperate molded piece gluded into position for maximum detail. Like the 21st Spitfires the F-86 features clear colored plastic nav lights in all correct postitions. (once again, my favorite is the amber collored light inside the canopy)

Bottom line- this is one very cool airplane! It demonstrates once again the ability and talent of the 21st Product development team. I can't wait to see what everyone else thinks of the new Sabre.

Are all the F-86’s S1-S3 that detailed?

Sabrefan · Post by **Sabrefan** » Sun Sep 24, 2006 12:07 pm

I have the new 21st Century F-86 coming in this week, I can't wait to get it.

Jericoeagle1 · Post by **Jericoeagle1** » Sun Sep 24, 2006 4:14 pm

Got mine yesterday its the S-2 "Mitch's Squitch" . I have the F-86 Jolley Rodger from Admiral Toys.

Now looking at the two from a distance I actual think the Admiral F-86 looks more realistic. The Admiral aircraft has a much better exterior paint with there being a variance in some of the paneling which lacks in the 21st Version. This also goes for the dive brake bays and ammo bays. Which are painted nicely on the Jolley Rodger but bare on the 21st version. 21st did such a fantastic job on this jet but by not doing a little detail work here and there with painting its just a hair width short of being Perfect.

The 21st loses out to the Admiral as far as detail in the ammo, Dive Brake area, the Admiral version lacks the open gun bay which I compliment 21st for doing. Something that bothers me about the 21st model is that you have to remove a section of wing leading edge to open the ammo bay. I'm not a sabre affecionado so I'm not sure what this is about. I don't like the thought of having a small piece laying around that may get lost just to open that bay.

Okay, now for the really great news. The cockpit and Pilot on the Sabre are outstanding. I wish I could get an extra pilot like thiers for my Admiral Sabre. The cockpit really out shines the Admiral one. Your eyes are drawn to the area by all the detail. Included with the pilot comes a stand, chute and Oxygen Mask.

Details like the nav light and harness in the cockpit are remarkable. Be careful with the Gear (which lock down), the forward gear is very fragile where it attaches to the follower door. I broke mine there but its not noticable or an important detail to me. The fact that the nose gear turns is a nice feature I'd like to see more of in future models. The engine intake (That visually vanishes into the model) and exhaust are great. The attention to detail on the surfaces all lights and panels seem to be in place but I'm not an expert like I stated before.

The model comes with two fuel tanks for the wing or two Sidewinders (a nice unexpected touch!).

Overall I think the 21st Version is a better plane, but the Admiral Version is still a great model that actually compliments the 21st. I'm proud of both of mine and will display them together.

My feeling is that 21st has again raised the bar with this model. The price would surely entice someone who may have passed on Admirals Version. Now its up to 21st to see if they can maintain this standard or if Admiral can step it up a notch. There are interesting days a head.

KWR190 · Post by **KWR190** » Sun Sep 24, 2006 4:49 pm

Jericoeagle1 did you find the Sabre in WA?
Kurt

Jericoeagle1 · Post by **Jericoeagle1** » Sun Sep 24, 2006 6:26 pm

No I got it on Evil Bay, I payed more but as usual I saved time and gas. I don't find a thrill in searching.

digger · Post by **digger** » Sun Sep 24, 2006 8:37 pm

Jericoeagle1 wrote:...Something that bothers me about the 21st model is that you have to remove a section of wing leading edge to open the ammo bay. I'm not a sabre affecionado so I'm not sure what this is about. I don't like the thought of having a small piece laying around that may get lost just to open that bay...

I think this "glove" is what FW explains here:
viewtopic.php?p=38022&sid=ce5bd10509c43 ... d180a92e36

A small wire attachment might not be a tough custom - would love one of the more talented members to post a "how to" (MiG29K *cough*)

VMF115 · Post by **VMF115** » Sun Sep 24, 2006 8:44 pm

digger wrote:
Jericoeagle1 wrote:...Something that bothers me about the 21st model is that you have to remove a section of wing leading edge to open the ammo bay. I'm not a sabre affecionado so I'm not sure what this is about. I don't like the thought of having a small piece laying around that may get lost just to open that bay...
I think this "glove" is what FW explains here:
viewtopic.php?p=38022&sid=ce5bd10509c43 ... d180a92e36

A small wire attachment might not be a tough custom - would love one of the more talented members to post a "how to" (MiG29K *cough*)

Heck I can do that

its off topic, but I just added fuel lines to my auxiliary drop tanks on the P-51 Ridge Runner. I will post pics in the custom section

Jericoeagle1 · Post by **Jericoeagle1** » Mon Sep 25, 2006 1:05 am

digger wrote:
Jericoeagle1 wrote:...Something that bothers me about the 21st model is that you have to remove a section of wing leading edge to open the ammo bay. I'm not a sabre affecionado so I'm not sure what this is about. I don't like the thought of having a small piece laying around that may get lost just to open that bay...
I think this "glove" is what FW explains here:
viewtopic.php?p=38022&sid=ce5bd10509c43 ... d180a92e36

A small wire attachment might not be a tough custom - would love one of the more talented members to post a "how to" (MiG29K *cough*)

If that is right then 21st got it "Spot On" then.

digger · Post by **digger** » Mon Sep 25, 2006 6:25 pm

Razor hooked me up too (thanks

).
Like all of these birds an absolute steal at $40 but not without some flaws. Mine has the typical traces of glue and a few scuffs, but nothing to whine about. I must agree that the AT version with varying colors on the panels gives it more depth than the 21C version. Though as said the cockpit is pretty awesome on the 21C version. The seatbelts are really unbelievable. Not sure what the added cost was but makes you wonder if it was worth it.
The pilot is nice but fragile - be sure to dip him in some hot water for a few moments before posing. Helmet is stuck on too

They included screw covers (not going to mess that up again I guess) but the only holes are on the belly and the covers are a very tight fit so may not even be worth trying to apply unless you are flying the bird.
The intake is very deep which is nice but the bird is barely heavy enough in front to rest on the gears though it is fine.
The "gloves" are loose and may fall out if you are not careful. The flaps stay in place which is nice.
I can post pics for anyone who wants to see something specific.

Now for my Q: if I display it on the ground should I have the gear doors closed or would they be open?
Also, should my bird have the pilot tube or not (when parked)? Missiles historically accurate? Thanks.

Jericoeagle1 · Post by **Jericoeagle1** » Mon Sep 25, 2006 6:50 pm

Gear doors open or closed depends on if the plane is at rest or the engines are running. Typically when the engine is turning the hydraulic system is presurized and the gear doorss come up as well as flaps if the switch is placed in the raised position. Once the engine is shut down hydraulic pressure bleeds down causing the doors (If not locked in the "up" position) the doors and flaps will slowly bleed down. So either way is right.

mack perry · Post by **mack perry** » Mon Sep 25, 2006 7:09 pm

digger i like to see some pics if you can

Rogo · Post by **Rogo** » Mon Sep 25, 2006 7:45 pm

Unless I missed it somewhere, I don't recall seeing any pics of the 21stC S2 F-86 except for the nose section. I would really like to see how the entire plane looks. Could one of you guys please give use a few pics of the whole bird?

Thanks,
Rogo

digger · Post by **digger** » Mon Sep 25, 2006 8:16 pm

Jericoeagle, thanks.

Some pics below. As you can see, the photo op was more dangerous than any mission...

Told you he was fragile. Hopefully down the line future paint schemes can have the different shades of metal and more interior paint work because structurally it is a gem. Canopy is nice and clear too.

Small Scale Military Headquarters

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