WWII Nightvision

grunt1 · Post by **grunt1** » Fri Aug 04, 2006 12:48 pm

While poking around on a site FL posted about making water, I came across this page on the same project about night vision equipment the Germans had in WWII.

http://www.missing-lynx.com/articles/di ... utions.htm

Thanks FL! Btw, this looks like an easy custom for anyone with some talent and a spare Hanomag?

I have the Hanomag, but am way lacking on the talent portion so I'd be interested in an extra of someone makes these.

Post by **aferguson** » Fri Aug 04, 2006 4:11 pm

the germans also experimented with IR scopes for their small arms and even had IR gear in the windshields of nightfighters but they were only used very minimally towards the final days of the war.

Jolly Roger · Post by **Jolly Roger** » Sun Aug 06, 2006 7:25 pm

it was disgusting, the incerdible techonolgy they had at the end of the war.. if they had just lasted 3 more months, the war would have definately had a different outcome...

just look at the secret projects the luff had going on, far more advanced then anypone else at the time.

VMF115 · Post by **VMF115** » Sun Aug 06, 2006 8:25 pm

Jolly Roger wrote:it was disgusting, the incerdible techonolgy they had at the end of the war.. if they had just lasted 3 more months, the war would have definately had a different outcome...

just look at the secret projects the luff had going on, far more advanced then anypone else at the time.

I agree, here is a link to Luft '46 http://www.luft46.com/

They also had a air-to-air wire-guided missile called Ruhrstahl/Kramer X-4
http://www.luft46.com/missile/x-4.html

Morian Miner · Post by **Morian Miner** » Sun Aug 06, 2006 9:43 pm

You have to wonder how effective the X-4 would have been. You are requiring a pilot to continue piloting a plane, while operating a joystick on the control panel, hoping he's not trying to evade escorts.

At least on the FW's, that was the plan. Would have been more effective on two seater fighters.

Yes, the Germans were capable of incredible new designs, but did they have the industrial capability to produce enough to make a difference?

momaw nadon · Post by **momaw nadon** » Mon Aug 07, 2006 1:49 am

I don't think Germany had the capability towards the end of the war in 45, but if Hitler was wiser we might be speaking German, because Germany did have a working jet fighter in 41 ready for production. Just imagine if he wasn't so arrogant with “we can win the war with 109 fighter” and gave the all go on that. They would have most likely been able to keep the superiority in the skies until the rest of the world had caught up in about four to five years, but I would hope sooner. Makes you think how long would it have lasted, if the cards would have fell differently? Even the Japanese had all kinds of stuff that would have been devastating to us if they only had like 6 more months.
momaw nadon

Post by **aferguson** » Mon Aug 07, 2006 5:05 am

all the german technology would have made zero difference to the outcome of the war. It may have made things a bit trickier for the allies but in the end the result would have been exactly the same, Germany would have been overwhelmed.

If nothing else, the US would most likely have used the A-bomb on Germany first, to deliver the knock out blow(s).

KAMIKAZE · Post by **KAMIKAZE** » Mon Aug 07, 2006 7:54 am

I'm with Aferg. Despite having impressive tech, The Germans would still have been overwhelmed. Russia had 300 divisions at the end of the war by themselves, the British had jets too, and The Americans were almost done with the B-32 Dominator which could have hit Germany from the U.S.. Germany never had the people to fight an extended war. The only way she could have won would be to get the Allies to voluntarily surrender. With enough tech, early in the war, that might have been a possibility.

Mark

momaw nadon · Post by **momaw nadon** » Mon Aug 07, 2006 11:36 am

aferguson wrote:If nothing else, the US would most likely have used the A-bomb on Germany first, to deliver the knock out blow(s).

You might be right, but the US may have never had the chance. The only reason we had the A-bomb to drop on Japan was compliment of the Germans. We intercepted that U-boat headed to Japan, but that might have not been possible if Germany had other means of sending information and equipment to Japan. One thing for sure is that a lot of factors added up to the outcome. Whos to say if one factor changed would have that big of an effect on the outcome.

KAMIKAZE wrote:Russia had 300 divisions at the end of the war by themselves, the British had jets too, and The Americans were almost done with the B-32 Dominator which could have hit Germany from the U.S..

True, but all those were so late in the war that they didn't have any inpact, just like the Germany's jets. I'm only stating a fact that Germany had a jet fighter ready for production in 41 about four years before any onther nation had one of the ground.

momaw nadon

jrs · Post by **jrs** » Tue Aug 08, 2006 5:41 pm

I am going with the no way crowd. Germany would have been burnt to a crisp. Jets, NVE, V2's, Big U-boats and all.

The only hope or way out that could have changed things would have been had Japan went after the Soviets in 41. Waited on the pacific? Or at the very least went into Russia at the same time. This two pronged approach would have most likely allowed for the Germans to knock the soviets out early, leaving the British standing alone. The US entering later then Dec 41 or at the very least the US arming in 42 and the Soviets beaten in 42! Leaving the US and Britian.

I am baffled at how late in life I learned that hostilities between the Soviets and Japanese were susspended during the majority of the second world war? Axis & Allies definitions painted a false picture?