What WW 2 Armor Series Should Be Next ? Or E-10 full Build ?

[pickelhaube]

It is a lot easier talking about XD than making it. The Horten is in the works and the next series , the Sdkfz 251 is locked in ready to start .
After outstanding orders are filled.

I will do the Humvee and DAP helo mods after the 251 run.

REMEMBER THE TIGER II WILL START THIS YEAR. PROBABLY MID YEAR WITH FINGERS CROSSED.

What should the next series be ?

Tiger I

Not a lot of mods for this one .
Berges tiger
Sturm tiger
Other ?

Panther

Berges panther
Jagdpanther
Panther II
Early Panther ?

Panzer IV

Many many

[aferguson]

do you have to do a series? Why not do a sturmtiger, jagdpanther, brummbar, jagdpazer iv etc, rather than just making a bunch of mods for one tank, many of which will be of less interest than mods that could be done for other tanks.

[pickelhaube]

do you have to do a series? Why not do a sturmtiger, jagdpanther, brummbar, jagdpazer iv etc, rather than just making a bunch of mods for one tank, many of which will be of less interest than mods that could be done for other tanks.

Well once I am on a subject it is a lot easier to build them. You get used to the model so the scaling is easier. These things are not always true to scale. many a time I have built something " to scale" and it does not fit on the model.

Then I have to fit it "actual scale " meaning to totally rework the piece.

So once I am on the series I am ready for these inaccuracies and hopefully I do not make the same mistake again.

Does that make any sense ?

Another project I would love to do is the E-10 . It should be a less complicated full build. Using parts from the 21st Tiger , Panther and Panzer IV.

Definatley a " paper panzer " but way cool anyway.

[aferguson]

ah i see,

[Jnewboy]

This is my vote:



Ok, hear me out...

1. You have the Indiana Jones Truck which is perfect for the front end.

2. You already have the Quad 20mm Flak Gun made!

3. You have the hanomag's tracks and wheels! ready for casting!

All you really need to do is make a custom bed/rear end with rails and fenders!!

Just a thought my friend

Id buy one! just sayin..

[tmanthegreat]

I voted for the Panzer IV as it really has the most potential. I would personally love to see a Stug IV or a Jagdpanzer IV conversion. A Brumbar would be interesting, but its not my favorite. Panzer IV conversions would potentially be easy enough as you only need to make the upper portion of the hull, which can then be grafted onto the 21c tank's chasis. Just like how they did their Panzer IV variants with the 32x toolings.

Speaking of Panzer IV's have you considered making the early double hatches and turret side hatches seen on the Panzer IVDs and Fs? I'd love to bring my gray "short barreled" RC Panzer IV up to more accurate standards...

I also think you could do a fantastic Jagdpanther conversion kit, PH, with opening hatches and the whole 9-yards. Make it a real improvement over Gary1930 and TheHun's toolings. The gun mantlet could be designed to fit the existing Panther barrel, as those were detachable on the later 21c and JSI releases. It doesn't look like we will get that AllGo Jagdpanther any time soon.

[Threetoughtrucks]

Ditto on Tman's suggestion. Adding a Strumtiger like Gary's Version, with hatches.

TTT

[pickelhaube]

This is my vote:



Ok, hear me out...

1. You have the Indiana Jones Truck which is perfect for the front end.

2. You already have the Quad 20mm Flak Gun made!

3. You have the hanomag's tracks and wheels! ready for casting!

All you really need to do is make a custom bed/rear end with rails and fenders!!

Just a thought my friend

Id buy one! just sayin..

Look closely. All the running gear is wrong for the 251 . Front wheels bogie wheels and drive wheels. The cab is way different.

The only thing that I would NOT have to make would be the weapons system.

So you are talking a full build.

My next full build will most likely be the Tiger II.

I will make the Jagdpanther one of these days. The Hun's version is mostly mine anyway.

I handed him over the project because I was not interested in finishing it.

He did sell a bunch of them. So the market for the jagd P. could be flooded.

We shall see when I am ready to start it.

[pickelhaube]

double post

[EnemyAce]

Seriously give me the Hetzer over an E-10. It was the most heavily produced German tank destroyer of the war. Same basic idea as the e-10, boxy, simple shape for the superstructure, and the running gear could then be used to create any number of the 38(t) series, like the Marders, Flakpanzers, aufklarer 38(t) tracked recon vehicle (w/222 turret!), flammpanzer (just different gun!), as well as the original 38(t) tank that was so heavily used during the invasion of France & Russia in the early war years. It's also very small, and was heavily used during the 'sexy' late war period, BoB, Ostfront, etc.

[maritime96]

Seriously give me the Hetzer over an E-10. It was the most heavily produced German tank destroyer of the war. Same basic idea as the e-10, boxy, simple shape for the superstructure, and the running gear could then be used to create any number of the 38(t) series, like the Marders, Flakpanzers, aufklarer 38(t) tracked recon vehicle (w/222 turret!), flammpanzer (just different gun!), as well as the original 38(t) tank that was so heavily used during the invasion of France & Russia in the early war years. It's also very small, and was heavily used during the 'sexy' late war period, BoB, Ostfront, etc.

I agree with Enemy Ace, I would love to see a Hetzer done as well.

[TankAce]

The Hetzer seems to me like is a full build.I want a Hetzer,but if we are talking about kits for building a tank using a 21st century toys tank,i will like the Sturmtiger.
It is hard to choose when all the tanks we are discussing here has been on our wish list for so many years.

[Grognard]

PH,

The E-10 is a cool and easy build. I'd like to see a Hetzer though. the T38 chassis is full of potential.

Funny, that we tend to pick the same things to build.

I'm redeploying from Afghanistan, and while there I didn't have access to plasitic or tools of any quality. so I decided to experiment with paper:



It's not to any scale (around 1-25) as I was limited to scraps and a Black and white Printer. I call it Berlin Urban Cammo.

Once I get settled back home, I'll be doing the E-10 in Plastic. Had to leave the paper one at the FOB along with my other projects. Learned a few scratchbuilding techniques and feel better about building my own.

Cutting circles by hand sucks....

[pickelhaube]

The Hetzer is a given. There is a lot of background work that has been going on for some time now pertaining to the Hetzer.

A 1/18 Hetzer WILL be a reality in the future albeit distant.

I have actually wanted to do the Hetzer for some time now. I even had it in several polls.

It got beat out by the T-34. The T-34 beat out the Hetzer about 3:1.

But this poll is about the Panther, Tiger and Panzer with the E-10 thrown in too late for the poll post.

So is there any interest in the E-10 rather than just one guy ?

[aferguson]

to do an sdkfz 7 you can't use the Indy Jones truck....it's far too small. I would definitely be into an sdkfz 7 for sure, but as PH says, it would be a full build, unless he makes a half baked underscale one with hanomags and indy trucks.

i thought of a hetzer, but i have a hunch Grunt 1 has that in mind after his Puma.

With FOV out of the running now to make new 1/18 wwii armour and Allgo all but gone, the playing field is wide open for anything any customizer chooses to make, including the KT

the problem as always, will be the high cost, which makes these customs of limited sales appeal. If there is someway of reducing these costs, then more will be able to buy them resulting in more money being made and presumably for less work.

I think Grunt's Puma project may be pointing the way to go. 3D print a prototype and then resin cast copies of it. I think these can be produced for less money and cost to the builder, which means lower prices to the consumer, which means more sales.

Another area to look at is to make the tracked vehicles like big Roco mini tanks...ie with the running gear and tracks all molded as one. These are non running static models anyway and with 3D printing can make the undercuts so fine that it will look like they are seperate pieces. Should save a bundle on develpment time and effort and production cost.

[AJWW2]

Jagdpanther or Stug IV!!! Like in Band of Brothers!

PH, I've been thinking, you could probably produce a line of action figures using casted pieces from originals. THAT would be cool.

Who needs big companies, we've got Pickelhaube!

[Jnewboy]

to do an sdkfz 7 you can't use the Indy Jones truck....it's far too small. I would definitely be into an sdkfz 7 for sure, but as PH says, it would be a full build, unless he makes a half baked underscale one with hanomags and indy trucks..

I was alittle high when I made this back in the day but hey...



more pics of it: http://s1237.photobucket.com/albums/ff477/Jnewboy/

[grunt1]

A series on a specific existing chassis would be cool. Especially one like the Tiger or Panther that you can still buy new from JSI. I do like the Panzer IV chassis though which could pop out:

Tank destroyers:
Stug IV (my favorite)
Sturmpanzer/Brumbar
Jagdpanzer 48 and 70V and A (I think flyboy is messing with one of these and he must make enough to share!)

Self propelled artillery:
Nashorn/Hornisse
Heuschrecke
Hummel
Dicker Max

AA
Mobilwagen
Ostwind
Kubelblitz

[aferguson]

jnew.....you basicaly made an sdkfz 11, which was based on the 251's chassis. It was only rated at 3 ton towing capacity but on occassion in north africa they were used to tow 88's.

[grunt1]

jnew.....you basicaly made an sdkfz 11, which was based on the 251's chassis. It was only rated at 3 ton towing capacity but on occassion in north africa they were used to tow 88's.

and Nebelwerfers!

Now that would be a cool kit to bolt onto a 21C 251 chassis. (looking at PH)

[1958Zelda]

I'am good for a E-10

[aferguson]

did 251's mount nebelwerfers? Not that i can recall hearing.

Are you thinking of the Maultier which mounted a 10 barrel version of the nebelwerfer?

[Jnewboy]

jnew.....you basicaly made an sdkfz 11, which was based on the 251's chassis. It was only rated at 3 ton towing capacity but on occassion in north africa they were used to tow 88's.

yea, thats kinda what I was going for

[exether_mega]

I voted for the Panzer IV but I hope to see a Bergepanther. Now, the SDKFZ 11 would be nice too. As the base is the 251, building a hull on it is possible and I guess not too difficult.

phil

[Heer]

Although I don't collect 1/18, a king tiger would be very nice.