Panzer IV Afrika Korps?

Fritzkrieg · Post by **Fritzkrieg** » Wed Mar 31, 2010 5:25 am

I've decided, to paint one of my Panzer IVs in a DAK paint scheme. Which Panzer was more common, in North Africa, the Short Barrel, or Long? I thought I read somewhere, that there were no longe barreled Panzer IVs in North Africa, is this true?

Any ref material would also be very helpful.

Thanks

exether_mega · Post by **exether_mega** » Wed Mar 31, 2010 7:34 am

on the early stage of desert war, short barel were common. Later, long barrel slowly appeared but in short number. unfortunately, no 21st panzer IV can fit for Afrika Korps as they are ausf. H. Panzer IV in Afrika Korps were ausf. E or ausf. F and F2 (with long barel and short muzzle brake).

phil

Fritzkrieg · Post by **Fritzkrieg** » Wed Mar 31, 2010 7:42 am

What were the major differences form the H and earlier models? If it is just the extra side armor, That can be removed pretty easily.

tmanthegreat · Post by **tmanthegreat** » Wed Mar 31, 2010 9:14 am

There would need to be some modifications to the rear muffler, gun mantlet, gun barrel, front glacis, and the turret sides to make the 21c Panzer IV H look something more like a an F or G model. Nevertheless, you can still make a decent-looking and passable DAK Panzer IV using the 21c vehicle.

A couple years ago, I got a hold of an RC Panzer IVH while they were still cheap, removed the turret schurtzen, made some other small modifications, and painted it in DAK colors.

The photo was taken shortly after I finished the model. It has since been updated with more pronounced weathering to give it a more "beat up" look. My model is not completely accurate and is still clearly an H model, but the vehicle still looks the part of a "long barreled" Panzer IV late in the North African campaign... and its RC!

exether_mega · Post by **exether_mega** » Wed Mar 31, 2010 9:50 am

Fritzkrieg wrote:What were the major differences form the H and earlier models? If it is just the extra side armor, That can be removed pretty easily.

short muzzle brake, different iddler wheel, turret side door was in one piece, not two, commander cuppola hatch was in two piece. these are the major and visible differences.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3436/337 ... f38e2f.jpg

http://worldwar2.free.fr/panzer4a.jpg

http://miliblog.co.uk/wp-content/upload ... f-f2-1.jpg

http://www.irvania.com/wargames/panzer4 ... VF2-1b.jpg

http://oldstersview.files.wordpress.com ... anzer4.jpg

http://www.flamesofwar.com/Portals/0/al ... PzIVF1.jpg

phil

ostketten · Post by **ostketten** » Wed Mar 31, 2010 12:04 pm

Panzer IV in Afrika Korps were ausf. E or ausf. F and F2 (with long barel and short muzzle brake).

Heng Long makes a Panzer IV F2 with the long barrel & short muzzle brake.....

http://www.rccommand.com/Panzer%20IV%20F2.php

grockwood · Post by **grockwood** » Wed Mar 31, 2010 6:23 pm

The F2/G version had the 75mm L43 gun with a very short round muzzle break. I have seen some photos of F2/G model with the single commanders hatch, two piece side hatch and the late style idler. You can make the H modle with 75m L48 into a G or F2 by removing the skirt and turret armour and brackets, cutting down the barrel lengh and making a diferent muzzlebreak. for it

normandy · Post by **normandy** » Thu Apr 01, 2010 5:26 am

Here is a cool pic..... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:SdKfz161-1-1.jpg

Some more pics of the same tank....
http://www.flickr.com/photos/sza/367408 ... otostream/

ostketten · Post by **ostketten** » Fri Apr 02, 2010 5:44 am

A couple years ago, I got a hold of an RC Panzer IVH while they were still cheap, removed the turret schurtzen, made some other small modifications, and painted it in DAK colors.

I think it turned out real nice T, and any differences between it and an F or G model certainly aren't worth getting worked up about.

flyboy_fx · Post by **flyboy_fx** » Fri Apr 02, 2010 7:44 pm

IM working on my 21st Ausf D..