Bad news about 21st from Small Joes

AMERICAN_GRENADIER · Post by **AMERICAN_GRENADIER** » Mon Feb 09, 2009 4:54 pm

i check my stock list dated 1/28/09 and every single xd product they are selling at MD was stocked in AZ and only AZ. about half the 1/32 was stocked in AZ & Cali. so draw your own conclusions.
now today we received a message from 21C that all cali stock is on special. but only cali stock? so why not AZ?

AMERICAN_GRENADIER · Post by **AMERICAN_GRENADIER** » Fri Feb 13, 2009 12:05 pm

Believe what you like,but! ive just noticed that Md has listed the marder s3 heidei. these were only sold to WM and were shipped from the arizona warehouse. so this adds to the discussion that they are clearing out 21C stock!

smittyrob64 · Post by **smittyrob64** » Fri Feb 13, 2009 1:27 pm

a Mel Brooks style conspiracy theory, where we were playing Mel, 21st is Patrick Stewart, and MD is Julia Roberts

Hey what movie is that? sounds like a good comedy.

PanzerArm · Post by **PanzerArm** » Fri Feb 13, 2009 2:07 pm

I know it may be a stretch, but the movie's called "Conspiracy Theory"

And I've given up any speculation on the matter, regardless of who's selling what and where, I'd believe that 21st is trying to do what it can to stay afloat, even if it means going backwards business-wise, so to speak, by getting rid of warehouses and scaling down their operation to the size it was years ago.

-Kevin

smittyrob64 · Post by **smittyrob64** » Fri Feb 13, 2009 2:26 pm

I know, I was just kidding, I think you meant Mel Gibson, not Mel Brooks

PanzerArm · Post by **PanzerArm** » Fri Feb 13, 2009 3:07 pm

LOL, yes, that is what I meant! Mel Brooks would've been better though HAHAHA

ltcbj · Post by **ltcbj** » Sat Feb 14, 2009 3:57 am

The "Bravo Team" line looks cheap and a bit too toy-like for my taste.

AMERICAN_GRENADIER · Post by **AMERICAN_GRENADIER** » Sun Feb 15, 2009 5:54 pm

they listed more Wm exclusives the panther set and okinawa set

Rowsdower · Post by **Rowsdower** » Sun Feb 15, 2009 6:32 pm

AMERICAN_GRENADIER wrote:Believe what you like,but! ive just noticed that Md has listed the marder s3 heidei. these were only sold to WM and were shipped from the arizona warehouse. so this adds to the discussion that they are clearing out 21C stock!

They must not have been only sold to WM because I got my Heidei Marder in a 4-Star Military box from Target.

ltcbj wrote:The "Bravo Team" line looks cheap and a bit too toy-like for my taste.

Me too, the 1:32 pieces look like cheap plastic knock-offs you'd buy at Big Lots.

AMERICAN_GRENADIER · Post by **AMERICAN_GRENADIER** » Mon Feb 16, 2009 7:36 pm

Rowsdower wrote:
AMERICAN_GRENADIER wrote:Believe what you like,but! ive just noticed that Md has listed the marder s3 heidei. these were only sold to WM and were shipped from the arizona warehouse. so this adds to the discussion that they are clearing out 21C stock!
They must not have been only sold to WM because I got my Heidei Marder in a 4-Star Military box from Target.

ltcbj wrote:The "Bravo Team" line looks cheap and a bit too toy-like for my taste.
Me too, the 1:32 pieces look like cheap plastic knock-offs you'd buy at Big Lots.

you made my point the standard 21c box is used at WM

AMERICAN_GRENADIER · Post by **AMERICAN_GRENADIER** » Mon Feb 16, 2009 7:36 pm

the heidei wasnt offered to retailers and still isnt

hworth18 · Post by **hworth18** » Mon Feb 16, 2009 9:25 pm

AMERICAN_GRENADIER wrote:
Rowsdower wrote:They must not have been only sold to WM because I got my Heidei Marder in a 4-Star Military box from Target.

Me too, the 1:32 pieces look like cheap plastic knock-offs you'd buy at Big Lots.
you made my point the standard 21c box is used at WM

The S3 Marders also showed at ToysRus, and I believe my local TRU still has a couple on the shelf.

AMERICAN_GRENADIER · Post by **AMERICAN_GRENADIER** » Tue Feb 17, 2009 1:43 pm

sorry i meant small retailers hobby store ect....

hworth18 · Post by **hworth18** » Tue Feb 17, 2009 8:35 pm

Noticed something interesting at my local Walmart tonight...

I went down the clearance isle to check out how many 1/32 vehicles were still there @ $7 each. There were about 9 vehicles there the other night and now the shelf was clear! Wow, someone cleared them out, maybe?

No....... Went over to the isle where these would "normally" be stocked and they sat, priced at $9.00 each. Alongside them was an empty spot that said 1/32 military airplanes!!

Is it possible that 1/32 isn't gone afterall? Granted the vehicles weren't priced back at full price, but I know there wasn't space for them on the shelf before. Nor was there space for the aircraft.
The thick plottens......

kimtheredxd · Post by **kimtheredxd** » Tue Feb 17, 2009 8:50 pm

Well if it is like my local wally world the stock person told me he is forever moving them around gets tired of moving them.Plus he does not know if they will carry them any more or not. Heck for a while they had the 1/18th scale figures marked with the red clearance tag at $4.97 the regular price here after they had been lower the last time i was there:roll:

AMERICAN_GRENADIER · Post by **AMERICAN_GRENADIER** » Wed Feb 18, 2009 8:40 am

i talked with Wm national managment to see if they could give me any info. they have received hundreds of emails and calls. he said as for now things are up in the air. but he also said that they have no order numbers in the system for 21c at all. he said the decision is above him. he also said that they can turn on a dime and bring them back. so some of the news is promising but still nothin really solid.

ketelone · Post by **ketelone** » Wed Feb 18, 2009 6:26 pm

Thanks for investigating the Walmart situation. That mgt rep would do well in Washington with that explanation.

gary1930 · Post by **gary1930** » Wed Feb 18, 2009 6:34 pm

I'm thinking that somebody is going to bring the 21st stuff back sooner or later. Those molds are too valuable to be scrapped.

AMERICAN_GRENADIER · Post by **AMERICAN_GRENADIER** » Wed Feb 18, 2009 8:05 pm

ketelone wrote:Thanks for investigating the Walmart situation. That mgt rep would do well in Washington with that explanation.

Post by **aferguson** » Wed Feb 18, 2009 8:30 pm

next time you're talking to him, politely recommend that if WM does bring back 21c that they distribute the product better, and in that way won't have to go for deep discounts all of the time.

jlspec · Post by **jlspec** » Thu Feb 19, 2009 8:20 am

One WM here removed the shelf tag for 1/18 figs and 1/32 vehicles. Raised the price on 1/32 aircraft back to $14.96 (even though they have had none since the reset). Inventory tags said 6 - 1/32 aircraft and 4 - playset on order as of 2/10

hworth18 wrote:Noticed something interesting at my local Walmart tonight...

I went down the clearance isle to check out how many 1/32 vehicles were still there @ $7 each. There were about 9 vehicles there the other night and now the shelf was clear! Wow, someone cleared them out, maybe?

No....... Went over to the isle where these would "normally" be stocked and they sat, priced at $9.00 each. Alongside them was an empty spot that said 1/32 military airplanes!!

Is it possible that 1/32 isn't gone afterall? Granted the vehicles weren't priced back at full price, but I know there wasn't space for them on the shelf before. Nor was there space for the aircraft.
The thick plottens......

AMERICAN_GRENADIER · Post by **AMERICAN_GRENADIER** » Mon Feb 23, 2009 1:58 pm

Well i believe the idea that 21C is going out or in serious trouble is true!
I ordered some marders "hiedie" from MD an they arrives today in target exclusive boxes. this proves they are selling off the 21C Arizona wharehouse stuff. even the 21C shipping boxes are stamped "TARGET EXCLUSIVE ONLY!"
i feel sick!

Rowsdower · Post by **Rowsdower** » Mon Feb 23, 2009 9:53 pm

It's sad to look down where the 21st stuff used to be and only see wrestling crap.

hworth18 · Post by **hworth18** » Mon Feb 23, 2009 11:08 pm

Another Walmart I went to across town also had playsets and figs back to regular price and a space for the 1/32 A/C, but none on the shelf..

Wishful thinking me thinks?

AMERICAN_GRENADIER · Post by **AMERICAN_GRENADIER** » Tue Feb 24, 2009 9:55 am

as ive said before i do buy some items from 21C. ive left several messages for GM M.Cordero and he hasnt called me back or responded to emails

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