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Post by WGP Klaus » Fri Jun 17, 2005 6:24 pm

digger wrote:I was just using that as an example - it would be big and pricey so it's a gamble no matter what. You can have 4 FW's but it would be tough to fly 4 A-10s....(I too think it would sell and I want it - but my point is there is more to it than just what we want, sadly).
So, cries for obscure or huge aircraft with no consideration for exactly the situation we have with the 190s, are hollow.

As an aside, I think WWII AC sells better than modern so we should keep that in mind too when comparing a small German fighter to a huge modern Jet.

Unfortunately with only two modern aircraft (BBi F-18 and F-16 and the F18s I saw on TRU shelves were gobbled up quicker than any 1:18 WW2 ac I saw, even at the higher price.) it's not safe to assume that WW2 would sell better. Collectors gobble up the "classics" but modern could open more people to the 1:18 as they're easily recognizable where as WW2 aren't as much so with kids nowadays.

Just food for thought :-)

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Post by pokeyjtc » Fri Jun 17, 2005 6:31 pm

I'm trying to be nice, but did I read somebody has 11 "190's" and more in boxes? Somebody has a "190" PROBLEM. I mean they're not like having ten Command Cars or five Shermans....right??? That would be understandable But eleven of the same plane?? What is he doing, stocking up for a 1/18 German aircraft carrier to sortie with his 1/18 Graf Spee and 1/18 Bismark?
I do have 11 of these planes, but I payed $2-$5 for all but two of them ($14 and $20 for the other two) so the investment was pretty minimal. I had more, but I traded them for other planes and I gave some to my brother. I would never pay $40 each for 11 of the same paint so I am not completely crazy. I think.

I have two of each repaint, one in the box and one out of the box and then the 3 extras that I will probably trade for something else.
My point was that the timing of the contest sucks for me. I wish I could use the planes I already bought towards the new Mustang.

Maybe I will start that German aircraft carrier diorama? Just kidding.

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Post by JOC » Fri Jun 17, 2005 6:51 pm

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The nose art panel is worth quite a bit, and it will rise in value over time. Some of Mr. Velaso's panels are now worth up to about 900.00 and rising.
I am really not that interested in buying 4 planes from Wally just to get one Mustang. All the ones here are the same and still at full price even though the boxes are banged up. Last time I looked they had 11 of them placed way up on top shelf.
I can attest to the quality though of the panels from Mr. Velasco. I have the Kepford Panel and Boyington Panel mounted just above where I have their Corsairs parked. I do get many comments on them. I would much rather spend the $$$ on the panels then purchase planes I do not want anyway. Good luck though, to those that will participate in making Wal Marts day. :D

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Post by Birddog » Fri Jun 17, 2005 6:54 pm

Ditto WGP Klaus!!! :wink: 8)

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Post by luftpanzer » Fri Jun 17, 2005 7:25 pm

Buy 4 and then sell 3 on e-bay for 55.00 apiece and make some money and get a cool p51 for free. Ye right. :P

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Post by digger » Fri Jun 17, 2005 7:44 pm

:oops: OK, A-10 would be sweet - I want one too 8) - but seriously, do you have airspace for a few? Or shelf space? Do the stores have shelf space? Is that why you didn't see many F-18 on shelves except the odd tru? I don't know....I would buy a few but just take a look at the specs for a reality check :? Hopefully bbi surprises us with a full 1/18 scale version :D

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Post by MightyMustang » Fri Jun 17, 2005 8:19 pm

I cant believe some posters on here are actually excited about this so called "contest" by 21st Century. You by 4 190's and you get a limited edition Mustang? I'm going to run right out to Walmart and by 4 190's right now, NOT! To me it sounds like 21st is begging people to buy an old product and the funny thing is some are going to do it. One word: Suckers! Heck the 190's have been sitting on the shelves so long they cant give them away and the rep I talked to at Walmart said they havent gotten a new 21st Century product in months and there is nothing coming from them anytime soon. Its sad to see 21st Centurys product just rotting away on the shelves of my local Wally Marts which begs the question is this hobby dying out? Are collectors finally getting fed up with all the repaints of the same old WW 2 Fighters? I know I am. Now 21st is having a contest to see how many "suckers" will buy 4 190's to get the "Holy Grail, the best thing sice sliced bread" new tool Mustang.

For those that are going to play the little "contest" I hope you guys get lucky and win. I wish you all luck and I really mean that. But I'm not going to line 21st pocket with my money and buy 4 190's for a Mustang just because the things dont sell. I'll wait for the BBI Repaints and be happy with those. Heck at least I dont have to go out and buy 4 of BBI's product to get the Mustang repaints, I'll have mine in August.

Enough said.



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Post by kevrut » Fri Jun 17, 2005 8:43 pm

I might consider this contest if I can find them on clearance for about $5 to $10 each. (What ever I think a limited prod. P-51 is worth.) I already have all 4 now. :?
I am glad we all have something new to discuss. :)

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Post by hworth18 » Fri Jun 17, 2005 8:46 pm

MightyMustang wrote:and the rep I talked to at Walmart said they havent gotten a new 21st Century product in months and there is nothing coming from them anytime soon.

I call BS...... The S1 Me-109G "GRAF" is new to Walmarts.. The new KingTiger and Jagdtiger are BRAND NEW to Walmarts.. The 3 new 32x Extreme wings planes are NEW.. If I were you Mustang, I'd find a new rep.... :wink:
We all know the S2 109G is coming out soon and possibly the S3 version also..
Now, I am not condoning this so-called "contest", but if it will help bring new product to the shelves, then I'll fork out a little more and buy the 2 last schemes I don't have.. :roll:
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Post by Birddog » Fri Jun 17, 2005 9:33 pm

I have the shelf space already made for a couple A-10's (according to the specs for a 1/18 scale version) to accompany my F-16 and F-18.....just waiting to see if it will ever happen. I believe they have the shelf space just like they have for those 1/6 scale R/C tanks that never move and the new 1/6 Hummer that no one seems to have good things to say about.... :roll: Anyhow, I'm with you Digger....here's to hoping 21st will decide to produce it or BBI will bring one out. 8)

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Post by Teamski » Sat Jun 18, 2005 12:41 am

Such hostility! Look guys, if you don't want to buy the planes, don't! I don't see what the hostile attitude is about. All 21st is doing is offering people to buy their product to get something free. That's it. I don't see this any different than some of the old Hasbro mail-in offers for GI-Joe.

So far, I haven't seen anything from 21st threatening us that they will hold product releases unless we buy. So what's the issue? If some people want to get those paint schemes that they want and possibly land some artwork, great, but don't slam them for it. It's not what this board is about. Am I going to buy 4, probably not since I already have the 4 schemes(and I'm deployed as well). But if I didn't happen to get them yet, I would of taken them up on it. Why people are so bent on discount prices is beyond me. Personally, the FW-190 is worth more than the $40 asking price.

Sometimes, I feel that a lot of collectors miss the point collecting these things. I'm just happy to see 21st still kicking out planes. Imagine, we are on the threshhold of the best 1:18 plane to be produced: the Avenger. And yet, people are complaining. I just don't get it. A couple years ago, the GPXD board was just about to disappear with the announcement of 21st's chapter 11 and now we are getting new 1:32 and 1:18 stuff. Marines guys! Japanese, a MK IV!! Avenger, 104, FW 190, 109G, In 2001, these were just pipe dreams.......

What have we heard from bbi? Nuthin. They couldn't tell me and Digger squat at the toy fair. And yet everybody slams 21st. Pretty sad in my book.......

Sorry for going off, but sometimes these threads hit some pretty low lows.....

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Post by p51 » Sat Jun 18, 2005 1:54 am

What have we heard from bbi? Nuthin. They couldn't tell me and Digger squat at the toy fair. And yet everybody slams 21st. Pretty sad in my book.......

Sorry for going off, but sometimes these threads hit some pretty low lows.....
I agree Ski. I've already stated that this is quite the deal! And I think people are buying them. I went to my local WalMart tonight, and half of the FW-190 selection that was there just one week ago is gone! And these FW-190s have been there for some time.

It's a chance to get something new before anyone else and help out 21st directly to get products moving.

At any rate, no more bashing 21st or Wal-Mart and how they sell from this point on in this thread. If you don't want to do the contest, fine... but going to put a stop to this groaning and complaining... so please refrain from posting in this thread complaining about the lack of this and that. Obviously most of you are missing out on the fact that there's a Mustang and a panel involved. Who's to say this Mustang will be offered this way again? Who's to say IF you all will see the Mustang in the stores? Who knows how long it might be till Bad Cat gets it if they even do? WHAT if this is the only way you'll be able to get the Mustang... or else spend a ton on e-bay? So seriously guys... it's all about how much this Mustang is worth to you and the special really awesome FW-190 piece. No one is saying that 21st is not trying to get FW-190s moving, so no more need to state the obvious... but why not help out 21st and in the process score something you might not be able to get otherwise? I've already proven in my last post that it's quite the deal you're getting.

Anyway, I will be monitoring this thread, again I ask all of you that if you just want to come in here and complain to REFRAIN from doing so. As Teamski said... at least 21st is coming out with something new (and not just the new Mustang!) and not hashing out more Mustang repaints like BBi and not giving us any indication of upcoming aircraft other than rumors.

That is all.

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Post by WGP Klaus » Sat Jun 18, 2005 4:50 am

I suspect the hostility comes from the fact that this decision is quite transparent, regardless of what 21st is claiming, and that we all love 21st Century products (hence the reason we're here in the first place) and it seems several feel betrayed by basically being forced into buying 4 190's in order to get something new. I personally wont be doing that, unless of course WM decides to clearance the aircraft, and unfortunately I suspect as mentioned in a previous response, this will lead to deceptive means, meaning persons will buy the 190's and remove the P.O.P. and enter the contest that way. I'm personally too busy right now trying to keep up with all the 32nd and 72nd (and 144th) scale new releases to be concerned, but this contest does seem fishy.

In as far as the A-10 is concerned, yes...after all the hoopla back when Rex was with 21st and even in the months after he left, it was a huge letdown, then to hear BBi might be tackling this hog, only to hear it's going to be a "cheesy" A-10 was also a letdown. I still hold faith in 21st and for that matter Bbi, but have learned over the years that in this arena, patience is truly a virtue :)

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Ski - In regards to your comment about Bbi, wouldn't you rather be told nothing, thus not expecting much and finding new items released, than being told when to expect certain new items, only to find that release hitting delay after delay after delay? lol I for one prefer to be kept in the dark as opposed to being kept on edge only to be disappointed. I'm telling ya, trying to keep up with the 72nd/32nd stuff is keeping me soo busy, everyone should crossover, it's fun and everyone is doing it..c'mon, peer pressure :P

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Post by digger » Sat Jun 18, 2005 5:55 am

WGP Klaus wrote: I'm telling ya, trying to keep up with the 72nd/32nd stuff is keeping me soo busy, everyone should crossover, it's fun and everyone is doing it..c'mon, :P
They are huh? :)
Sounds like fun..... 8) ....all that armor, that steady, streaming release of new product... 8) ...the variety.....mmmm...armor..... 8).....new fov M3.... :twisted:

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Re: 32x

Post by WGP Klaus » Sat Jun 18, 2005 6:31 am

digger wrote:
WGP Klaus wrote: I'm telling ya, trying to keep up with the 72nd/32nd stuff is keeping me soo busy, everyone should crossover, it's fun and everyone is doing it..c'mon, :P
They are huh? :)
Sounds like fun..... 8) ....all that armor, that steady, streaming release of new product... 8) ...the variety.....mmmm...armor..... 8).....new fov M3.... :twisted:
all the cool kids (old and young) are doin' it, c'mon...you know you want to! :-)

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Post by Razor17019 » Sat Jun 18, 2005 6:44 am

I have looked on 21st Century's site. Am I missing the Mustang that is being offered with promotion? or are they keeping that under wraps?
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Post by Teamski » Sat Jun 18, 2005 7:36 am

WGP Klaus wrote: Edit:
Ski - In regards to your comment about Bbi, wouldn't you rather be told nothing, thus not expecting much and finding new items released, than being told when to expect certain new items, only to find that release hitting delay after delay after delay? lol I for one prefer to be kept in the dark as opposed to being kept on edge only to be disappointed. I'm telling ya, trying to keep up with the 72nd/32nd stuff is keeping me soo busy, everyone should crossover, it's fun and everyone is doing it..c'mon, peer pressure :P
Therein lies the problem. You have one company going to great lengths to keep people interested in the 1:18 line with delays while you have another company saying nothing. I'd rather get the delays and have at least something to talk about (sometimes negative, of course) than nothing at all with no info.

If 21st dealt with their products like bbi, this board would of shut down long ago. Nothing would be learned, nothing anticipated. Fans of the 1:18 line would start dropping by the wayside simply because there was no information forthcoming. By the time that new stuff was discovered at Walmart, nobody would be on the board to share the news with. It's sort of that "hearing a tree fall in the forest" sort of thing.

Yeah, it sucks getting extended delays, but as WGP said, patience is apart of our hobby. Nothing sucked more than when the notorious information deadspot that we had when Arlene left.

Cross collecting other scales for me is no more. My room got littered with 1:72 and 1:32 vehicles and aircraft. Those scales got too much for me and I finally decided that 1:18 was my sole scale. It's funny, but I completely lost interest in anything smaller than XD. I'm thrilled that the 32x collectors got some new items, though. Now, if 21st does bombers in 32x, then I'm sure I'll pitch a few bucks in that direction, hehehehe.....


Let's go back to 1999......How many of us had anything close to the beauty that hangs from our ceilings now in 2005?......

Again, sorry for the soapbox, but look around you and take a look at what you have. Pretty slick, me thinks....


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Post by MightyMustang » Sat Jun 18, 2005 8:29 am

Ok I will stop bashing 21st, no problem because in all reality I HAVE no problem with them because indeed they have came out with some very nice 1/18th planes that I'm very happy to have. I'm just getting sick to death of all the delays they keep putting on us. It seems to be an ongoing thing. I will not take part in their contest because I wont fork out $$$ for 4 190s for a Mustang. One is because I dont like 190's and two I have better things to do with my dinero and three I dont have the room!!! If the rest of you guys are going to play the "contest" great! More power to ya and I hope some of you win it as I've said before.

Its great that 21st is still around producing their 1/18th line and I hope they are around for a long time as a matter of fact. BUT its pretty sad when we are told to stop complaining when we see something wrong about what a company is doin or else! But thats ok I wont say anything bad about 21st anymore, I'll keep my views to myself just to make some people happy.

Enough said, time to move on.

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Post by Birddog » Sat Jun 18, 2005 9:01 am

I'm not bashing 21st. 21st is a great company. I have my opinions about a particular aircraft (A-10) just like many have their opinions about another particular aircraft (Zero) that they want in 1/18. That is what this forum is about...being able to discuss and share your opinions about this greaty hobby. Let's not get upset with eachother about another's opinion. Sometimes those opinions are what fuel decisions. :D

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Post by aferguson » Sat Jun 18, 2005 10:19 am

i have been putting up with delays and disappointments in this hobby for over 4 1/2 years now, yet thru it all there have been some wonderful releases and that much more is to come is very likely.

Let's try to focus on the great stuff we do have and not on what we don't have and look forward to, positively, whatever we may be lucky enough to see down the road...

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Post by Coreyeagle48 » Sat Jun 18, 2005 1:38 pm

I am not bashing 21st when I say this, but I think the concern of the board for those that are concerned lies with the way this is being handled. There is a big difference between getting four 190's for a P-51 and other stuff I have gotten free through mail orders, etc.

For example, recently if you got five upc's from Kellog's, you could get a free DVD of Star Wars or something like that. I know here at home we saved them but the difference is, we eat cereal. So we are getting some use of the product. I used to do this as a kid too so I could get the free toys or mail order specials, etc. But the thing was, these were a lot cheaper and I ate the cereal. Here what we have is getting four 190's at the price of $49 each for one free plane. It's a lot I agree with a lot of people here. But remember it is totally voluntary.

But I see where this leaves a sore thumb, and I think a lot of it has to do with size. Who has room to store four 190's in 1/18. Now I some some of you are saying "I do" but I personally don't, and I may be in the same boat as everyone else here. If I did this, the planes would have to go in my lawn shed next to my tractor and lawn rakes, I have no room in the house. So I can't see doing this thing as many other people feel the same way. If these planes were 1/48 or matchbox planes, I think you would see a lot more dedicated support, rather than some of the questioning we are seeing. I perosonally think 21st should have made this a 2 for 1 deal as someone suggested, there would be a lot more particpation and support for it then.

As far as 21st and the BBI thing goes. The way I see it, BBI is closely guarding whatever they are doing over there, where 21st is more open about what is coming. Personally if I were in charge of 21st, I'd be a little more secretive myself. Think about it, 21st announces these products but some of them fall through, all BBI has to do is be watching these threads, watching 21st and they can say "We're going to do that and show 21st up" , It could very well happen. I sometimes think some people on this board know entirely too much and tell everyone else. I think then that creates tension and complaining when the items don't come. A good example is this Zero bit. Personally, I don't get so wrapped up in it, if it comes, it comes. If not, I will spend $50 and take my girl out to eat. No big deal.

This is not complaining, but I think 21st should really take a hard look at the way they conduct their business. A starting point would be too come up with a "guranteed product list" each year. Lego does this and works well. Then focus on that list, and get those items out, then the next year do the same thing. Maybe throw in some surprises here and there, but not many. Just enough to make the collectors scratch their heads in wonder. And get the items out to the public. I personally think for all the talk, the Avenger should be ready by now, as should be the F-104. It does beg to wonder what the delays are and why? I believe if 21st had a serious rival in 1/18 military, besides BBI, they would be in deep deep trouble. They do need to do some things better, and hopefully they will work on that.

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Post by MightyMustang » Sat Jun 18, 2005 2:11 pm

Cory,

Hats off to you partner because you have said it best. You are so right when you said that with all the talk the Avenger and F-104 should have been avalible by now. But thats all its been is talk and delays. When are we going to get some answers to why the Mustang and Avenger have been delayed so many times? Maybe if 21st would come on here or go on their website and explain these things then some of us wouldnt be complaining so much. Give us a target date for gods sake to look forward to! Dont keep saying that its going to be released and then turn around and tell its been delayed because its getting to be an on going thing with them.

I know we should be patient because these two planes are going to be a masterpeice so to speak but quit playing mind games and get the product out and if they cant say why and give an honest reason.

Thats all I ask.

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Post by digger » Sat Jun 18, 2005 2:48 pm

MightyMustang wrote:the rep I talked to at Walmart said they havent gotten a new 21st Century product in months and there is nothing coming from them anytime soon. Are collectors finally getting fed up with all the repaints of the same old WW 2 Fighters? I know I am.....I'll wait for the BBI Repaints and be happy with those.
Enough said. :?
I think you're confused MM :lol: :lol: You're fed up with those repaints but you'll take a few? :lol: You spoke to a "rep" at WM huh? :lol:
If the rumors bother people then just ignore them. For some of us there is fun in speculation and prediction - it's so much of what the board is about.
Let's get serious - 21st is all we got when it comes to 1:18 WWII. No word from Dragon, from Dusty Trails, nor much from bbi. If you speak of bbi product you get scolded around here :roll: Without 21st you would have a Mustang chasing a...Mustang....giving cover to a Sherman hunting a...Sherman....
If you can't take delays and dry spells you're in the wrong hobby I'm afraid :?

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