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the new badger renegade airbrush

Post by Cabe » Fri Nov 14, 2008 3:12 pm

well i am hoping that the reference forum is also used to talk shop and tools because I gotta show off my ubernerd equivalent of bling, now I have 2 Iwatas already
one from the 40% off anything coupon from Hobbylobby (HP-BCS iwata)
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the other a nice $200 craigslist find (HP-CS with MAC valve)
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but hey, this one here is a a sweet looking AB with a 2.2 needle. I bought it today and well i keep changing my shorts because i have no time to test it yet because I am painting for work with a dang brush....arrgh
A 2.2 FREAKING NEEDLE!! for half the price of my HP-CS! cAN YOU IMAGINE THE CAMO A 2.2 NEEDLE PUTS OUT ?
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yes that rubber shiny thing is a protective cap...novel idea huh? protect the needle with a cap? wow what imagination !
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2.2 NEEDLE WITH GUIDE/GUARD OH MY

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Sorry i had to share, a sweet price and great little AB. Not rubbing anyone's nose in it, I can't ...it isn't that expensive, just very cool all around. If anyone gets the side or siphon lemme know how they perform and i will get back on this one.
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Post by grunt1 » Fri Nov 14, 2008 4:17 pm

Cabe, this is exactly the kind of thread that I've been looking for. There are lots of airbrush rants out there, but one coming from one of our members that is going to be painting our stuff is great.

Can you explain a little more the significance of some of the particulars you mentioned? The guide, 2.2 needle, needle cover, etc..?

I know those might be obvious and I can certainly theorize on their importance but would rather hear your ubernerd perspective. :)


Also if you have some test shots, that would be great.

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Post by Cabe » Fri Nov 14, 2008 10:33 pm

really, it all starts with what scale you want to paint and what you want to paint on it.

big needles for area coverage, small for camo lines and such.
more uses than that of course but I prefer iwata and just bought my 1st badger, but its a MAC vs. PC argument a lot of the time until you start talking really high end airbrushes in the $400 range
and now the new badger that I bought one of the line turned the market on its head somewhat
that's a story yet to be told by the feedback of the buyer, i have yet to fire mine up today....but will soon hehehe


what specifically do ya need to know?

you looking economical? or maybe want to make an investment that you carry around like a pearl handled pistol to bars? A collection of guns to pick from when tackling a job?
what kind of paints u want to use? enamels or acrylics....even inks?
many other considerations to take into account, just say what you are planning to do mostly and i and other can start arguing


as a starter i would suggest an iwata eclipse series with about a 3-3.5 needle just to balance area cover (such as a gelb coat all over) vs camo and detail and then top feed or siphon feed is sort of a personal preference as to cleaning, visibility and switching colors fast.

i like top feed
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Post by grunt1 » Sat Nov 15, 2008 12:07 am

1:18 for me. Armor, etc.. Acrylics.

And yes, a solid entry level unit would be preferable. Something that can do Camo.

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Post by Panzer_M » Sat Nov 15, 2008 1:26 am

I also love top feeds, easy to change the mix on the go, if you need to too.

Awesome brush at a great price...I wish I read Craigslist more for deals..right now my new Tamiya single action is treating me right, I just haven't found the time in the last week to work on any painting.

Never used a Badger, looked at a slew of them last couple months, since are the most common type sold around my parts, but the Tam won out on price with me.
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Post by Cabe » Sat Nov 15, 2008 2:58 am

well grunt,
i would say (and i would have done this if i had half a brain when i got my first AB 6 months ago.)
You want an airbrush that will cover large areas yet also be precise. that's one cool thing about Iwatas (and I do not know if it is unique to them) is that each model comes with a default needle size but can also fit a smaller needle, which of course involves buying a proper sized nozzle to go with it, but it beats buying a whole other airbrush. Unless you want to buy one for large areas and one for detail. Which is a great way to go because you can have both loaded and ready to go equipped with the iwata quick change adapter (basically like a pneumatic tool hose end, pops off and pops into the other in a second.)

there is a great guide on the iwata website (which should be easier to find i think but they have it hidden under a tab, not a big secret but for the new shopper this should be the start page i think) when you look at each airB at iwata you will see a series of tabs across the top and one will tell you what all the different models of s specific line of Iwata ABs will be best at.
To get to one of these pages
goto iwata website
http://www.iwata-medea.com/index.html

then look top and click "products"
hre you can see all they sell and you can goof off here and look at compressors and such (but I have a compressor trick too for later, the hobby lobby trick)
but you want to click "airbrushes"
now you have a screen of all the different lines of AirB's Iwata makes, I think the revolution is the cheapest line, bu don't let that fool you, a great starting tool is the Revolution CR
so click the revolution logo and then you will see all the AB's that make up that group and the one with the large top cup is the one you want (or if ou prefer bottom feed, go look at those but you will see by th chart that the CR is the best for entry level.
So anyway,
click the CR image and read the info, then look to top and there are the tabs I was talking about

product overview (screen where u are now)

Specifications- Very important, look for dual action when here and the CR has it among other things. First off it says it has a .5 spray nozzle (needle) says how wide that hits the target and you think "wow thats uh, not very accurate." But if you look to the bottom, it says a standard (what comes default with you purchase) and an optional nozzle/needle size... a .3, now that's as narrow as my Iwata HP-CH and just above my new badger with its ridiculous 2.1 nozzle
which means you can buy and easily convert this to a .3 precision tip AB for an additional $30 or so bucks (you can buy parts at Hobby Lobby or Hobby own or order from west coast Airbrush (great CO.) So if you want the bargain route, you can just switch out needles for different jobs.

The next tab "Airbrush Usage"
http://www.iwata-medea.com/products/airbrush/revolution/cr_usage.jsp
is the best because it just tells you what you want to do and if this AB can do it or not and how well.
This tab shows all the airbrushes in the revolution line of products and what they do well. I made the mistake of buying an airbrush because it said excellent with models, but i failed to see that it wasn't too hot with categorizes I KNEW to be small like figurines and miniatures, so yeah I bought a "G" or good AB for coating a model (size undetermined by the iwata chart) but it was NOT EVEN RATED for miniatures....whoops. So now at least I have a great AB for putting my base coat or primer on and yeah I could also get a smaller need/nozzle just like the revolution CR and make it a better AB for small lines etc. But it would havebeen wiser to go with the other model i was lookin at.
My purchase that I somewhat regretted was the Iwata siphon feed Eclipse HP-BCS, a great AB mind you, but i should have got the Iwata Eclipse HP-CS top (gravity) feed AB because it comes with a .35 needle standard with option to go UP to .5
look at the eclipse stats and you see
it pretty snazzy for a starting airbrush modeler, unless you have a bunch of gold bars lying around to get a Iwata Eclipse G6
http://www.iwata-medea.com/products/air ... usage.jsp

so my advice to you is get either the Iwata revolution CR top feed and then get a smaller needle/nozzle

or just save yourself trouble and buy the eclipse HP-CS top feed with the default moderately small needle and then expand your airbrush collection from there to an even thinner needle model or a larger nozzle model if you feel you need an area covering monster for big jobs.


now 2 ways to get a cheap airbrush
first i will tell you the cheap but risky way, craigslist. I got a really nice AB off it for half price, bt it was also fouled up with auto paint that Jack-Ace was using it for. SO I had to buy laquer thinner and mini brushes to clean that sucker out, but now it runs great and I got a cheap AB worth about $400 and learned a bit in the process.
The other great thing about craigslist is wives or moms will routinely sell "airbrush equipment" for crap because they either just want them out of the garage/closet/whatever or the just don't know what they are selling and what it is worth. Sometime they don't even know the name of the airbrush maker so always ask or look for a pic, same goes with compressors.
Then there are the guys just dumping their airbrush equipment because they thought they were going to get into it and be great and make tattoos on hot bikini model's fannys and design kick-ace motorcycle gas tank art blah blah blah. So they spend a wad on all this nice stuff and find out they hopelessly stink or don't care to learn how to airbrush and in their frustration they just dump it cheap on craigslist like a bowflex machine, i see this A LOT.

But the one trick most folks use and was how i got my 1st AB and compressor.
If you have hobby lobby in your town goto their website and register to get emails for coupons.
Meanwhile scout area Hobby Lobby's for one's that have the Iwata Eclipse top feed (Hobby lobby only sells 2 iwatas the eclipse siphon and top feed. they also have the needle and nozzles you need, both are perfect for beginners, the top feed being more fine spray, but can use a larger needle to be more like the siphon, sorry if i am skipping model names of the ABs here there are only 2 at HobbyL and they are Eclipse Iwatas, also 2 compressor, silver jet and another more expensive silent air or sumthing, but a great compressor)
But anyway, also find one that has the Iwata silver jet compressor, looks art deco and like a radio/Geiger counter
when you get and email that has the 40% of any one item make several copies and hit all the hobby lobby's in the area to get a complete setup. Some managers are smart and put their airbrush equipment on sale the same week making the coupon void, rare but it happens. This is why scouting a few stores helps and having backups to get you setup in one day from 2 -3 hobby lobby's
not to mention one store will list a compressor at 250 and the next 190, why i don't know, i got my silver jet at 190 - 40%
they winced the whole way to the checkout (they escorted the product) and kept saying dang that sticker price is wrong we are supposed to have that listed at $XXX.00
But I scouted and pounced on it. Can't switch $ stickers because they all in glass cases, nor would I, that's crap action for crap folk with crap lives who need the crap punched outta them. I just took advantage of a pricing anomaly, but still 40% of any price is 40% off even without the accidental pricing mishap

also look to online site like Dick Blick Art Supplies and then scout for coupon codes. Jerry's Artarama and other such online art dealers. I have some coupon/discount checkout online codes because I buy a lot because of my painting career , i could find one. The usual is free shipping over such and such amount which does help.



oh well my hands are numb ask away if you need more info

here is hobby lobby website.
and oh my god...it is 40% off week right NOW! and this IS A VALID coupon below
http://www.hobbylobby.com/weekly/weekly.cfm
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Post by grunt1 » Sat Nov 15, 2008 7:18 am

Cabe, this is a HUGE help..

I noticed this photo that you posted. Assuming the vehicle in the photo to the left was 1:18, would the .3 and .5 jets do the camo shown? Or would you need a .2?

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Post by Cabe » Sat Nov 15, 2008 8:13 am

actually on a camo like that...sadly you would hand paint the red outline after airbrushing in the green.
I tried, i read up on the camo, it was hard edged with a brush in the field so....
but i have done camos close to that like the one on the tiger tank where i used taping off and the .3 in my iwata HP-CS
here is the guys web gallery and step by steps
link fixed
http://www.fototime.com/ftweb/bin/ft.dll/home?nt=r
...he's a good 'um. very good.
must eat his brain to gain his knowledge

he has a index to the left of other vehicles he is working on.

you will fnd the airbrush is great for applying base coats, primer, dust, mud splatters and hasty camo, it ha a thousand uses. Just sometimes some camos were no sprayed on and that's just a fact. So you get yer little brush out and start cussin'

and to answer you question a .3 would be great and a .2 would be wonderful, but you will be sacrificing alot at .2.....,meaning it will become your tiny detail brush,
but hell its a bad arse airbrush and looks cool go buy it hahah


I use .5 for gelb and primer or grau base coats
and .3 (and now .2) for camo or any other weathering like road dust on the running gear and deck like in this shot of my 1:18th 21st C grau tiger I transformed into a beauty that I sold like an idiot in a moment of desperation
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Post by Cabe » Tue Nov 18, 2008 12:50 am

oh and BTW thats a photo of a tank (hetzer) that u are referring to in your post, not actual size. i enlarged it from the link i supplied to that guy's gallery. I was repainting a 21stC hetzer following his steps. I was long done of course, but the photo ended up in the shot because it was still on my page holder on my workbench.
his was 1/35 and mine of course 1/32

I am assuming you know that by how you posed you question but i wanted to be clear and make sure you didn't have any confusion, when buying an AB last thing i want is you to say later on "Aw man! I thought......"
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Post by Cabe » Tue Nov 18, 2008 1:15 am

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