Airstrike Toys - BBI Me-109 Suggestions Needed!!!

AirstrikeToys · Post by **AirstrikeToys** » Thu Sep 04, 2008 8:47 pm

It’s time to start planning 2009’s line up and on the list is BBI’s new Me-109.

I got the green light from BBI on the Me-109 so I wanted to get your input on some 109’s you would like to see produced, and yes buy too.

So, post your suggestions and if possible, include a picture to make sure there isn’t any confusion.

After a week or two, I’ll combine the suggestions and we’ll see where that leads us.

Thanks!

pickelhaube · Post by **pickelhaube** » Thu Sep 04, 2008 8:51 pm

Eric Hartman's black tulip. Also another snazzy winter camo

Post by **aferguson** » Thu Sep 04, 2008 8:59 pm

if you could make it into a late model G or K that would be awesome.

chunks · Post by **chunks** » Thu Sep 04, 2008 9:01 pm

Croatia operated over 50 Bf 109s, including E-4, F-2, G-2/-6/-10 and Ks.

Finnish Air Force operated 162 aircraft (48 G-2s, 111 G-6s and three G-8s).

Hungarian Air Force operated three D-1s, 50 E-3/-4s, 66 F-4s and ~400 G-2/-4/-6/-10/-14s.

Regia Aeronautica operated some F-4s and G-6s.

Aeronautica Nazionale Repubblicana operated 300 G-6/-10/-14s and two G-12s; three K-4s were also received..

Romanian Air Force operated 69 E-7s and 135 G-2/-6/-8s.

Slovak Air Force operated 16 E-3s, 14 E-7s and 30 G-6s.

Spanish Air Force operated some D-1s, E-3s and 15× F-4s, may have received several older B-types.volunteers of Escuadrilla Azul in Eastern Front opered with E-4, E-7, E-7/B, F-2, F-4 (belonged in JG-27,until april 1943) and G-6 (detached in JG-51, until june 1944)

Swiss Air Force operated ten D-1s, 80 E-3a variants, 12 G-6s and some others.

SFR Yugoslav Air Force operated several ex-NDH and Bulgarian 109Gs.

From Wiki

There's lotsa choices out there.

flayrah · Post by **flayrah** » Fri Sep 05, 2008 1:57 am

Carrier (Graf Zeppelin) version. There is some debate if this aircraft would have had folding wings or not; I think it would have had folding wingtips, like the Zero.

warbike · Post by **warbike** » Fri Sep 05, 2008 9:33 am

I would like to see the Erich Hartmann Plane in 1:18 scale:

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl= ... e%26sa%3DN

Here are some more images:

http://hem.passagen.se/galland/Hartm.gif

http://modelingmadness.com/reviews/axis ... 32109e.jpg

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl= ... e%26sa%3DN

http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/6073/700ty6.jpg

warbike · Post by **warbike** » Fri Sep 05, 2008 9:44 am

A little history on Erich Hartmann, and why I think his plane in 1:18 scale would be a good seller:

Erich Alfred "Bubi" Hartmann (19 April 1922 – 20 September 1993), also nicknamed "The Blond Knight of Germany" by friends and "The Black Devil" by his enemies, was a German fighter pilot and still is the highest scoring fighter ace in the history of aerial combat. He scored 352 aerial victories (of which 345 were won against the Soviet Air Force, and 260 of which were fighters) in 1,404 combat missions and engaging in aerial combat 825 times while serving with the Luftwaffe in World War II. During the course of his career, Hartmann was forced to crash land his damaged fighter 14 times. This was due to damage received from parts of enemy aircraft he had just shot down, or mechanical failure. Hartmann was never shot down or forced to land due to fire from enemy aircraft.

Hartmann, a pre-war Glider pilot, joined the Luftwaffe in 1940 and completed his fighter pilot training in 1942. He was posted to Jagdgeschwader 52 (JG 52) on the Eastern front and was fortunate to be placed under the supervision of some of the Luftwaffe's most experienced fighter pilots. Under their guidance Hartmann steadily developed his tactics which would earn him the coveted Knight's Cross of the Iron Cross with Oak Leaves, Swords and Diamonds on 25 August 1944 for claiming 301 aerial victories.

He scored his 352nd and last aerial victory on 8 May 1945. He and the remainder of JG 52 surrendered to United States Army forces and were turned over to the Red Army. Convicted of false "War Crimes" and sentenced to 25 years of hard labour, Hartmann would spend 10 years in various Soviet prison camps and gulags until he was released in 1955. In 1956, Hartmann joined the newly established West German Luftwaffe and became the first Geschwaderkommodore of Jagdgeschwader 71 "Richthofen". Hartmann resigned early from the Bundeswehr in 1970, largely due to his opposition to the F-104 Starfighter deployment in the Bundesluftwaffe and the resulting clashes with his superiors over this issue. Erich Hartmann died in 1993.

Post by **aferguson** » Fri Sep 05, 2008 9:53 am

the erich hartmann version is a verly likely repaint for bbi or even 21c for that matter. Not sure it would be a good choice for airstrike. Would be redundant, if it comes out in mass produced form and it may step on some toes at bbi.

AirstrikeToys · Post by **AirstrikeToys** » Fri Sep 05, 2008 10:27 am

aferguson wrote:the erich hartmann version is a verly likely repaint for bbi or even 21c for that matter. Not sure it would be a good choice for airstrike. Would be redundant, if it comes out in mass produced form and it may step on some toes at bbi.

No worries about toes at BBI, I keep them in the loop.

warbike · Post by **warbike** » Fri Sep 05, 2008 2:18 pm

A Messerschmitt Bf 109K-4 would be cool since one has not been made into 1:18 scale.

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl= ... e%26sa%3DN

Here is a Bf 109 G-10:

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl= ... e%26sa%3DN

Also a twin seater would not be a bad idea as well:

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl= ... e%3Dactive

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl= ... e%3Dactive

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl= ... e%26sa%3DN

http://www.luftarchiv.de/flugzeuge/mess ... 09_g12.jpg

hworth18 · Post by **hworth18** » Fri Sep 05, 2008 4:35 pm

Guys,
I hate to be a bearer of bad news, but BBI's Bf-109 is an early "G" and Hartmann didn't start painting the tulip on the nose until much later in the war when he flew G-6's, Now, if airstrike can modify the plane into a G-6, then this is possible.

If Airstrike wants to do Hartmann's earlier "G"s withoit the tulip, then it would probably work just fine, but they have to get the right scheme on the right version. Here is a pic of the scheme that is applicable to this version,

Post by **aferguson** » Fri Sep 05, 2008 4:40 pm

hworth i can't read your post very well. Can you make your font a bit bigger?

hworth18 · Post by **hworth18** » Fri Sep 05, 2008 4:47 pm

aferguson wrote:hworth i can't read your post very well. Can you make your font a bit bigger?

Sorry, my eyes are blurry from allergies...

Post by **aferguson** » Fri Sep 05, 2008 6:43 pm

lol....

Charlemagne · Post by **Charlemagne** » Sat Sep 06, 2008 7:21 am

I don't think you can go wrong Erich's "black tulip" scheme which has yet to be done in 1:18. How can we not have the "Ace of Aces" with an amazing 352 kills? My only suprise is that his tulip scheme has not been done yet.

AirstrikeToys · Post by **AirstrikeToys** » Sat Sep 06, 2008 8:57 am

Honestly, the "black tulip" was the first one that came to mind for me but there are more to add to the list. Any interest in the Hungarian paint scheme?

warbike · Post by **warbike** » Sat Sep 06, 2008 9:57 am

AirstrikeToys wrote:Honestly, the "black tulip" was the first one that came to mind for me but there are more to add to the list. Any interest in the Hungarian paint scheme?

Here is some nice websites on Hungarian paint schemes for Me 109:

http://www.xs4all.nl/~tozu/me109/foreig ... ungary.htm

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2416/222 ... 07.jpg?v=0

http://www.centennialipms.org/109g6%20hung.jpg

http://www.axishistory.com/fileadmin/us ... f109-1.jpg

I'm not against it, but earlier I suggested the Hartmann and twin seat ME 109 aircraft because I thought it would sell better as a whole since it has not been done in 1:18.

Buckyroo · Post by **Buckyroo** » Sat Sep 06, 2008 12:54 pm

here is another site with pictures. Just like a book, if there are more pictures, I am more interested.

http://www.preservedaxisaircraft.com/

I found that site, but I still have to pick one I like to post here later.

Kris

thehun · Post by **thehun** » Sat Sep 06, 2008 1:37 pm

These are a few photos of a winter Hartman i done 2-3 years ago, Best i can remember it sold around the $350 mark on e-bay, with several bidder's, So the Black Tulip idea might be something for you to think about if you can make it work, Collectors do like those tulip's.
TheHun
AkaTheWoofer

olifant · Post by **olifant** » Sat Sep 06, 2008 10:56 pm

I am loving that winter scheme. Damn you do nice work Woofer!

Buckyroo · Post by **Buckyroo** » Sun Sep 07, 2008 3:59 pm

Winter Tulip is very cool even if it is a different version.

Kris