Thoughts on BBI

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Thoughts on BBI

Post by olifant » Sat Aug 23, 2008 2:14 am

Today I opened up my new BBI Dauntless and am in love with the quality of the piece. Crisp paint, wonderful detail and excellent choice for their first WWII airplane. Despite all my gushing, I am not grooving on the $45 price. It got me thinking...

I think that after BBI gets through their first four releases through the e-tailers we will begin seeing these pieces at TRU. I can't imagine that there is much of a large audience buying through BCA and their peers and there must be hope of big box brick and mortar stores for BBI to go through all the expense. I think before they can do this they need some depty to the line meaning getting all four pieces produced. Once this is done they will have enough variety to the line to get them out to mass market. I hope I am correct. :D
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Post by Rowsdower » Sat Aug 23, 2008 7:20 am

I'd be thrilled to see their stuff at TRU. I wish Hobby Lobby would get into 1:32 stuff. Hell, they sell $100 locomotives and $60 Tamiya kits, why not sell BBI aircraft. 8)
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Post by dragon53 » Sat Aug 23, 2008 8:08 am

OLIFANT:

I hope you're right about ToyRUS selling BBI at lower prices than etailers. The only reason I'm not buying the BBI SBD and F4F is because, for the price, they're too expensive---I can buy diecast planes that are higher on my "must have" list for a few dollars more.
However, BBI's F-4J (and the new BF-109 as far as I know) isn't sold at ToysRUS, so that doesn't bode well for the SBD, F4F or upcoming F-104.

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Post by Dauntless » Sat Aug 23, 2008 9:48 am

As they accumulate here in the states, I have already seen lower prices on ebay with reasonable shipping cost. I thought I saw one for $36 "Buy it now" the other day.

Still it would be nice if TRU or Target started carrying these. Though they might be thinking that 1:32 military doesn't move because of so many different scales on the shelf to choose from, and a few unpopular duds that seem to rot forever there, like the 1:32 FOV diecast planes.
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Post by tmanthegreat » Sat Aug 23, 2008 10:39 am

Whatever BBI's reasoning behind the price and stores that it releases its products, I'm sure they have a good idea of what they are doing. BBI understands that they are catering to a niche market and simply that in regards to the sales of their military toys. I hate to say it, but we toy soldier fans with our taste for highly-detailed military toys are really in a minority when all consumers are considered.

In the past, BBI did attempt to sell their products at mass retail. While I can't say how successful it was for them in the long run, 1:18 Apaches, Blackhawks, M1 Abrams and LAVs were not exactly flying off the shelves. Why else do you think Target so severely discounted them last year? There are even still a few "Daisy June" Corsairs at my local TRUs and those appeared in 2006.

BBI probably understands that their greatest appeal for their military planes will come from collectors, not the general public. The average consumer will no appreciate or have the knowledge of the historical significance of the planes, which will still be priced above the cheaper goods. BBI seems to have decided to cater exclusively to the collector market for that reason. It does mean that they make overall fewer pieces and sell them for a higher price, but the items do get around and do sell. BBI has also diversified what they do. Military toys are not their "bread and butter" and they have other venues to fall back on should the military stuff do poorly in sales.

Although it would drive down the price, BBI would actually be at a loss if it made tons of Dauntlesses and F-4s, only to have them gather dust on retail store shelves and eventually be discounted. That is exactly what happened to 21c. They grossly overestimated the appeal of their products, sold Wal Mart and others on the idea, and wound up getting screwed in the end when the products didn't sell. Many of us were at a loss even further because we never found the products at mass retail and 21c never got them to the small retailers where we could have purchased them.

They days of truly cheap military collectables are pretty much over, but in some respects they never should have been that way. We were spoiled over the past few years and some people got into the collecting thing when they otherwise would not have. The fact is that most military collectables sell for quite a bit. Look how much the Hobbymaster SBD Dauntless costs, or the Corgi or the GMP aircraft. Heck, look at the Dragon 1;72 and 1:35 tanks? Part of me asks why the heck I should pay $25 bucks for a three-inch long Tiger tank or $50+ for a 1:72 F-4? But they are high-quality collectables, with few overall being made and the companies do have to turn a profit.

My apologies for the rant, but case in point is that we have to realise that realistic military toys have a very limited appeal (even in the best of economic times) and that if companies want make quality products and sell them, they have to raise the price and make fewer items because selling them at mass retail is too much of a financial risk...

All that said, the BBI Dauntless is well worth the price and pushes the bar for 1:32 military aircraft. Yes, I could purchase a 21c 32x Stuka for half the price, but that plane has somewhat less detail, no weathering, and a high probability of QC defects that BBI has largely rectified on their planes 8)
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Post by Sabrefan » Sat Aug 23, 2008 10:57 am

I love BBI stuff. Their 32nd scale F-4 Phantom is still my favorite of all my models.
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Post by olifant » Sat Aug 23, 2008 12:40 pm

Agreed with your points Tman, but I am not so sure BBI did poorly at Target. My guess is they had put enough volume through their tooling to recoup the developement costs of the helos and vehicles they had at Target and agreed to a high volume/low margin run. They did hit clearance but I saw plenty of product move at the original sticker price.

This would be a bad move to begin a product line with, but would work well for existing tooling like their 1/32 line. I think they are hoping to pay for the project through e-tailer sales to collectors at a high price point and make the move to mass market in the future. Again, to hit brick and mortar and sell to the masses you need a product LINE. A singular 1/32 F-4 just won't cut it. I agree we are never going to see the Dauntless at WM for $14.99 but it would sure be sweet to see them at TRU for $29.99. Especially if they hit the stores with repaints! 8)
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Post by Dauntless » Sat Aug 23, 2008 9:13 pm

I agree we probably won't see them at mass retail. I don't really care that much. I'm just so happy that we are able to get this stuff at all.
I see big things possible with BBI.
With the release of a large aircraft like the F4 Phantom in 1:32, I think the possibilities of them going into WWII bombers, at least the twin engine ones is not beyond the realm. Just think of the possibilities.

Sure I'd rather see bombers in 1:18 but chances of seeing anything but fighters in that scale is slim to none.
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