Panzer IV Colors

NHoggard12 · Post by **NHoggard12** » Tue Jul 08, 2008 6:38 pm

I'm looking for pictures of Pz IVs with normandy camo. Any pictures would be great or links, especially colored pictures.

thanks

Stug45 · Post by **Stug45** » Tue Jul 08, 2008 7:01 pm

http://the.shadock.free.fr/Surviving_Panzer_IV.pdf

Panzer_M · Post by **Panzer_M** » Tue Jul 08, 2008 10:41 pm

no such thing as normandy camo.

base would be dunkelgelb and the camo would rotbraun and olivgrun...and the pattern well varies to a great extent.

Cabe · Post by **Cabe** » Wed Jul 09, 2008 3:41 am

camo was generally referred to as "over spray"
like green over spray or red-brown, but usually as he mention a cloudy combo of both over a base

NHoggard12 · Post by **NHoggard12** » Wed Jul 09, 2008 5:28 am

Have you found any examples of such. Would you ever see just a base color, such as a beige color?
There is a book out with a lot of colored tank profiles, and one normandy panzer IV is painted in one single color before being rushed to the front.
thanks for everyone's help

Cabe · Post by **Cabe** » Wed Jul 09, 2008 5:49 am

which variant of pz IV? j h g or........

NHoggard12 · Post by **NHoggard12** » Wed Jul 09, 2008 6:24 am

I believe it was and H of the 12ss just from their traing area.

Cabe · Post by **Cabe** » Wed Jul 09, 2008 7:03 am

Ta dah
it's and IVj but I think you get the idea, Belgium I guess was their base during Normandy invasion, probably had a fun time getting there

NHoggard12 · Post by **NHoggard12** » Wed Jul 09, 2008 7:16 am

Thanks very much. Would the camo be covering the entire tank or just on the skirts?

Cabe · Post by **Cabe** » Wed Jul 09, 2008 8:19 am

I would venture to say that since the gun barrel and manlet are painted that so is the rest of the hull
you can also see that the cupola has got camo on it, but i think that tiger pattern might be unique to the skirts,
the hull probably has a blotchy cloudy pattern with gelb showing through
sort of like the Normandy tiger below, but much more subdued, very pastel almost and not as intense in color or opacity and heck of a lot more "cloudy" not striped

NHoggard12 · Post by **NHoggard12** » Wed Jul 09, 2008 12:33 pm

Thanks for your help. I am working on it, but I'm not sure how it will turn out.

Cabe · Post by **Cabe** » Wed Jul 09, 2008 1:24 pm

well if you use acrylic, just keep some denatured alcohol around to completely clean of test areas until you feel comfortable...or windex

NHoggard12 · Post by **NHoggard12** » Thu Jul 10, 2008 8:38 am

HELP! How do I go from the first pictures to the final product. I can't get the colors to blend.
http://planetarmor.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3426

Cabe · Post by **Cabe** » Thu Jul 10, 2008 10:39 am

you need to put a filter or wash over it to dull the colors and make them unified.
there are articles on how to make your own filter, but I suggest you check around for a local store that sells MIG/SIN industries filters as I have used them to much success. But you are definitely looking for a filter.
other ways to unify could be the use of a very very diluted wash of brown or using a very light highly diluted dusty spray (middle stone or ocher) from you airbrush. But the filter make tanks look excellent when used properly
if you cannot find MIG filters locally try models by mickster he ships fast and is cheap. but i will try to email you the article i stumbled on written by Mig himself on washes and filters.

i have ordered from mixster 3 times and got the supplies 2 days later
http://www.modelsbymickster.com/
click "hobby shop"
then click the logo for MIG
scroll way down to the areas with pigments and washes and 502 ABTEILUNG OIL COLORS
He has a weird way of ordering, i think you fill your order then he calls you for your payment info and to confirm his stock ect. Nice guy.

NHoggard12 · Post by **NHoggard12** » Thu Jul 10, 2008 10:40 am

Thanks you very much; i will hit the hobby shop tomorrow.

Cabe · Post by **Cabe** » Thu Jul 10, 2008 9:27 pm

before filters and washes
(click-able thumbs)

after MIG "german tri-camo" filter (and a heavily diluted MIG dark wash along seams and details along with MIG pigments for dusting lower and upper hull and rust pigments for tracks, exhaust soot ect. and graphite pencil for wear, scratches and scuffs exposing bare metal)

NHoggard12 · Post by **NHoggard12** » Fri Jul 11, 2008 5:25 am

WOW! Mine looks like the first pictures. Hopefully the wash will alter the appearance as it did yours.

Cabe · Post by **Cabe** » Fri Jul 11, 2008 6:26 am

it will,
just remember the rule of thumb when it comes to painting (and just about everything else in life)
It's always easier hell of alot easier to add paint than it is to take it off.

if the first wash isn't dark enough add another (Or filter or pigment or whatever)
compare with your source photo of the other pz IV until you are close enough. Remember mine also has a fine layer of dust on it from rubble colored MIG pigment powder which will always fade and dull the color. You can get a similar look using pastels or chalk, but the MIG pigments (or tamiya or other brands of weathering powders a the hobby store) can be mixed with thinner like alcohol and painted on to coat or mixed with plaster to make mud

Cabe · Post by **Cabe** » Tue Jul 15, 2008 7:38 am

any luck?

NHoggard12 · Post by **NHoggard12** » Tue Jul 15, 2008 7:48 am

Well, the wash came out alittle dark, but I'm going to repaint the tank in different colors and try again.

Do you know what unit the normandy halftrack 214 is from?
thanks

Cabe · Post by **Cabe** » Tue Jul 15, 2008 9:13 am

what did you use to wash it with?
also, if you have an airbrush, use it to bring back some highlights

on the HT I have no idea

NHoggard12 · Post by **NHoggard12** » Tue Jul 15, 2008 9:23 am

I used several watered down paints. It blended the colors well, but it still was too dark. I have already repainted with colors that I like better.

Cabe · Post by **Cabe** » Mon Jul 28, 2008 8:24 pm

ok let's see it
my eyes are hungry

NHoggard12 · Post by **NHoggard12** » Thu Jul 31, 2008 6:31 am

I'll get you those pictures soon.

Cabe · Post by **Cabe** » Tue Aug 26, 2008 1:02 am

hmm did a disaster occur?