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Post by **aferguson** » Sat Nov 19, 2005 3:31 pm

The Sahara figures will work perfectly for WWII SAS/LRDG dudes. Either as is or as SB said, head on body wearing shirt and shorts. Sandals or boots are fine too.

The 1/18 Sahara jeep that is coming out will be a good base for an SAS jeep. The solido one has some good accessories but is made of metal so if you want to modify it, it will be tougher.

One must do mod is to remove most of the radiator grill bars. This was done on all SAS jeeps, along with other mods like taking off the windshield, to lighten the vehicle as much as possible so the maximum gear could be carried. These guys were serious. The solido comes with a decent twin Vickers gun but the .50 cal is way small. Lots of jerry cans too but no sand plates. Most of the Solidos around are green. There was a sand colour version too but it's harder to find.

I got the Solido a long time ago but ended up canabalizing parts of it for other projects so i'm looking forward to getting the 21c Sahara jeep and figures and using bits from the Solido to make a rock on SAS jeep.

steelbonnet · Post by **steelbonnet** » Sun Nov 20, 2005 3:23 am

Very good points Aferg

SAS jeep front

A few ref sites too:-

http://blindkat.hegewisch.net/lrdg/lrdg.html

http://www.lrdg.org/photos_other_trucks3.htm

http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepage ... asjeep.htm

A few photos....
http://cm.thewarandpeaceshow.com/galler ... 2aP1010006

Notice the camo (used by LRDG & Some SAS)
http://cm.thewarandpeaceshow.com/galler ... W_P_Sun_53

http://www.rednemesisdog.com/LRDG_jeep.JPG

http://www.rednemesisdog.com/Guys_in_jeep.JPG

http://4x4xtreme.com/images/JEEP%20del%20SAS.jpg

Well I hope these help with your future project. Any more assistance on ref material don`t hesitate to ask

Ja
Steel Bonnet

digger · Post by **digger** » Sun Nov 20, 2005 6:59 am

aferguson wrote:...i'm looking forward to getting the 21c Sahara jeep and figures and using bits from the Solido to make a rock on SAS jeep.

You may be waiting a while. I guess we waited this long so what's a while longer, but I wouldn't be surprised if the rest of the 1:18 Sahara line never happened. I don't think people would be too upset either - that Huey was in line to be the next wallpaper at WM when the CIA version finally peels off...

Really we just want another crack at the M48 and the Jeep, but nobody needs Tiger Camo anything...let's hope they scrap the line and just bring back the Jeep and Patton Tank...

Jesse James · Post by **Jesse James** » Mon Nov 21, 2005 11:50 pm

I nabbed the Sahara figures tonight for the first itme... It's so strange that just one of each will show too, I don't get that, but whatever...

They're 50/50 in quality IMO. I think they're great customizing fodder though either way. They're good potential bases to make modern enemies, they're good general fodder for Star Wars customizing IMO, and the heads aren't terrible sculpts but not the best for certain eras.

Neither sculpt's very close to the actor though. They're almost comically off.

The quality of the figures was a little disappointing. Mostly in that the arms need a little bicep articulation, and overall they want to break fairly easily I've found. Actually my first one's hand fell right off out of the package but it's fixable. I wish they could hold a gun better for modern fodder but I guess the modern enemies will have to do for that.

fredricchio · Post by **fredricchio** » Tue Nov 22, 2005 2:03 pm

Found the Sahara and series 3 Marines today. I actually think the Al Giordano head is a pretty accurate sculpt, but yeah, Dirk is way off.

Marines look great but I think 21st can put these to rest now, 3 sets is enough.

Post by **aferguson** » Tue Nov 22, 2005 6:16 pm

i'm still not clear on what the difference is between S2 and S3?

CW4USARMY · Post by **CW4USARMY** » Tue Nov 22, 2005 7:22 pm

Hey Aferg,

I happened to find the series 3 Marines at a Walmart in Alabama today. The big difference is that series 3 uniform looks like Honey Mustard yellow with brown spots. When I compared the same figure to all three series, I noticed that some figures (like Zippie Burns) have different hair color on all three series and skin color is different as well.

Jesse James · Post by **Jesse James** » Wed Nov 23, 2005 12:37 am

I wasn't clear either so thanks for that description...

Was this just a variant (I'm not a PTO expert by any means) on what Marines wore, or does it denote a period of time or specific area during the conflict? I was thinking it almost sounded like the "camo" outfit but heavily faded which I guess they were prone to doing over time and actually made the soldiers stand out rather than blend in.

I'm intrigued. We have S1 in abundance. You spot a S2 here and there though but not a ton, just S1 overflowing at some stores (sans riflemen mostly though).

digger · Post by **digger** » Wed Nov 23, 2005 6:50 am

CW4USARMY wrote:..The big difference is that series 3 uniform looks like Honey Mustard yellow with brown spots. When I compared the same figure to all three series, I noticed that some figures (like Zippie Burns) have different hair color on all three series and skin color is different as well.

Very cool that they changed the hair color and faces a bit to keep the head swapping alive. There were three uniforms worn by the USMC over the years in the PTO, and while I don't have the S3 I'm hoping they are representative. Just swapping all the different color gear between the series goes a long way to give them the "rag-tag" look.

Post by **aferguson** » Wed Nov 23, 2005 8:49 am

are S2 and S3 easy to tell apart? I will probably be getting them off Ebay and i can't tell the difference in pics

CW4USARMY · Post by **CW4USARMY** » Wed Nov 23, 2005 10:35 am

Yes, easy to tell apart. Try this link to ebay that has a good pic of an S3.

http://cgi.ebay.com/1-18-Ultimate-Soldi ... dZViewItem

Jesse James · Post by **Jesse James** » Wed Nov 23, 2005 3:56 pm

Digger, would it have been likely to see the various uniforms all in the same group during a battle? Just curious if that'd look awkward or not. It's more a question of just how I'll display them.

digger · Post by **digger** » Wed Nov 23, 2005 4:23 pm

I know the green unis were made in 2 materials (we seem to have the 'dungaree' type) and were coupled with the various camo helmet covers. The camo covers evolved into full uniforms later on.
There must have been a time when both were side by side, especially in 1945.
I think someone also mentioned on here that the camo unis were less popular because they faded faster? So perhaps the all green were held onto? I'm sure someone can chime in on this.

Waltz41 · Post by **Waltz41** » Wed Nov 23, 2005 9:38 pm

The Army and the Marines both issued camo to their men in WW2 in the same pattern. The marines I beleive were the first to get it, and it was made reversable. The outside was green camo, and the other side was tan camo. The idea was to have the tan camo on when they stormed the beaches, then change it inside out to the green for when they were in the jungle. I don't know much about the Marine gear, but I'm assuming the idea is pretty much the same. Here's a few good pictures of the two different colors, on the third pick you can see the shirt turned inside out.

I haven't had a chance to see the S2 or S3 figures in person, but from what it sounds like, I'm assumming 21st Century was going for this idea of the two different camos.

brian

http://www.wwiiimpressions.com/usmccamo.html

Post by **aferguson** » Wed Nov 23, 2005 9:56 pm

That's a great explanation. Thanks!

digger · Post by **digger** » Thu Nov 24, 2005 10:05 pm

I finally got up a few pics of some SF guys wearing the Sahara head dress, one Afghan local wearing one of the robes, a pic with Sahara legs on a 21st modern guy, and a pic of some guys from the 'Big Red One' that people have brought up recently. They are all at the bottom of the Custom M113 folder.

parrish333 · Post by **parrish333** » Mon Nov 28, 2005 5:02 pm

fredricchio wrote:Found the Sahara and series 3 Marines today. I actually think the Al Giordano head is a pretty accurate sculpt, but yeah, Dirk is way off.

Marines look great but I think 21st can put these to rest now, 3 sets is enough.

fredricchio: where in chicagoland did you find these? do you think they'd still have any (sahara or s3 marines) ?

fredricchio · Post by **fredricchio** » Mon Nov 28, 2005 5:35 pm

Actually, I'm in school right now so they were found in West Lafayette, IN, not Chicago. They had a lot of the Marines left but only one other set of the Sahara figs, but I haven't been back there in almost a week.

Jesse James · Post by **Jesse James** » Mon Nov 28, 2005 6:10 pm

Found a shelf full of Merril's Marrauders last night but no scratch. I'll get one next time down that way. Looks cool to me but man I hate some of those Para headsculpts, haha.

krieglok · Post by **krieglok** » Thu Dec 08, 2005 12:01 am

I picked up a "Ardennes Infantry Tanker" German today. The uniform struck me as unusual as it is dark green. Are these limited run? I usually only see the white uniform panzer guys.

TJ

tmanthegreat · Post by **tmanthegreat** » Thu Dec 08, 2005 10:40 am

They're not entirely a limited run. In the new assortment of the Battle of the Bulge figure repaints, a green German tanker and a spotted-cammo German tanker are included. Further, the new BoB figures have, at least in my area, appeared at more than one Wal Mart and have been restocked about 3-4 times now. I was able to accumulate 5 of the green German tankers to give my Tiger a better looking crew than its previous assortment of S1 Panzer Gernadier figures. In my experience, I would say that they are not rare, however, that fact may hold differently elsewhere.

immeww2 · Post by **immeww2** » Thu Dec 08, 2005 11:38 am

I'll say. Haven't seen any of the BOB repaints in my AO as yet.

krieglok · Post by **krieglok** » Thu Dec 08, 2005 2:15 pm

I see. I just thought is was a bit unusual. I picked up the BOB set thru Amazon and it came through with a white uniform Panzer guy. It also had soldiers with white painted helmets as well as the three Patton figures. It was a pretty good deal since with the free shipping, it came out to just $2.00 per figure. The green Panzer guy was picked up at WM with the same figures as the BOB set but they were painted different. Also got the brown camo Panzer guy at the same time. I also try to "crew up" my vehicles.

TJ

tmanthegreat · Post by **tmanthegreat** » Thu Dec 08, 2005 4:43 pm

Not only did I crew my vehicles - complete green tiger crew, and extra crew for my RC and regular Panzer IV, but I stocked up on the Open and Closed Coat German Infantry figures. With those gray helmets and removable jackets on the Infantry figure they are much more versatile for use as regular German soldiers, in a variety of seasons.

Razor17019 · Post by **Razor17019** » Thu Dec 08, 2005 10:32 pm

Anyone who is looking for the new BOB repaints, let me know. We have bunches of them. I would be willing to trade someone who needed them.
Just let me know.

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