Paint and color suggestions needed.

[[CAT]CplSlade]

So, after dicking around with solvents and clean up and all else I have decided to replace most all my enamels with acrylics. Enamels were part of my lead miniature painting legacy, but now that I am trying to use an airbrush most of the time I would prefer to keep things uniform so I can freely mix colors and avoid the adverse results of mixing different mediums.

So far I have had decent results with both Tamiya and Vallejo acrylics. Any comments?

I have an upcoming project where I plan to build 3 ME109s at once (Finnish, Bulgarian, and Italian) so what # paints in either brand would you recommend for a typical 74/75 over 76 paint scheme with mottling in 74/75/02 and for the yellow ID marks?

Also, what colors replicate the tricolor camo for German armor best?

Right now, except for the Imperial Japanese colors I got from Tamiya, all the acrylics I have are a small handful of Model Master. I prefer the Tamiya to the MM, that much I know. I only recently got a few tubes of Vallejo Model Color (NOT the ab version, which Hobby Lobby does not sell so I will do my future paint buying online) and have started to get the hang of them although my palette is limited at the moment.

I think flyboy attempted a color chart a while back but I don't have it in me to search right now, and I can't get painting until Saturday anyway.

[flyboy_fx]

Yea, I have a chart I am always updating as I test. It is NOT the final product yet! I have not had time to finish it. I have a 1/32 HE111 on the workbench needing to be finished. I will be finished it in Tamiya acrylics only. I can post some pics of it.


I've tried to keep it organized. :O I also have a He111 where I painted it with some of the popular mixes. I'll find that later.

Reichsluftfahrt Ministerium (State Ministry for Aviation), RLM Colors of the German Luftwaffe in Acrylic
*Last updated: 4/26/13*

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Vallejo model air = Va
Vallejo model color = VC
Tamiya acrylic = Xf
Polly Scale = Polly Scale
Model Master Acrylic = Model Master Acry
---- = Divides paints/paint mix

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German fighter schemes fast reference.

Pre-war splinter scheme: RLM-61/62/63 over 65

Very early fighter biplanes, experimental aircraft: RLM-63(Later named RLM-02) overall

Splinter scheme - all aircraft until the end of 1939. (No seaplanes).
After that mostly bombers,ground attack aircraft, and transports: RLM-70/71 over 65

Seaplanes: RLM-72/73 over 65

Fighters - French campaign, Battle of Britain, ect. until 1941: RLM-70/02/65, 70/71/65, and 71/02/65.

Standard two tone Grey scheme on fighters from 1941-1944 (Maybe into 1945): RLM-74/75 over 76

Desert scheme: 79/80 over 78, RLM 79 over 78, RLM 79 over 70/71/65

Late war schemes, fighters, 1944-1945: Many color combinations from the RLM 80 series: RLM-82/83 over 76, 81/82 over 76, 81/82 over 84, 82/83 over 84, RLM 84 and 76 mixed, I.E. RLM 76 lower with 84 sides, etc.


*Nightfighter schemes soon*
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Personal favorites of mine.

RLM 76: VA-046

RLM 02:

RLM 70/71: (70) XF27:1 or XF27:3 + XF1:1 (71) XF58:4 + XF62:1 + XF61:2

RLM 70/71: (70) XF27:3 + XF1:1 (71) XF61:1

RLM 72: VC-980

RLM 73: VC-895

RLM 79: XF59:1

RLM 79a: XF59:3 + XF64:1 ---- VA-034

RLM 74:

RLM 75:

RLM 65: VA-008:3 + VA-046:1 ---- XF24

RLM 80: VA-017

RLM 81: VA-043 Olive Drab + pinch of Vallejo VA-041 to add redish hue
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*Test these*
Polly Scale RLM 74
Model Master Acry RLM 74/75

Tamiya XF74 and XF34 for RLM 74/75






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Tamiya RLM colors.


RLM 02: XF22:1 + XF49:1 + XF2 to taste
RLM 23: XF7:1
RLM 25: XF5:1 + XF28:1
RLM 65: XF23:1 + XF2:1
RLM 66: XF22:1 + XF-8:1
RLM 70: XF27:1 ---- XF27:3 + xf1:1
RLM 71: XF61:1 ---- XF62:1 + XF49:1 ---- XF58:4 + XF62:1 + XF61:2 ---- XF61:8 + XF2:2
RLM 74: XF24:3 + XF27:2 ---- XF54:3 + XF1:3 + XF27:2 ---- XF74
RLM 75: XF24:5 + XF50:1 ---- XF24:6 + XF2:2 + XF7:2 ---- XF54:15 + XF51:8 + XF1:3 Lighten with XF2 ---- XF24
RLM 76: XF2:7 + XF23:1 + XF66:2
RLM 79: XF59:3 + XF64:1 ---- XF59
RLM 80: XF58
RLM 81: XF51:1 + XF64:2
RLM 82: XF5 --- XF5:1 + XF2:1 --- XF5:1 + XF3:1 ---- XF5:4 + XF3:1
RLM 83: XF61 ---- XF24:1 + XF51:1

Test these mixes.

RLM 75 XF-24: 5 + XF-50: 1 And XF-24

RLM 74 XF-24: 3 + XF-27: 2 And XF-74

Specific Combination's:
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RLM70/71 (70) XF27:3 + XF1:1 -- (71) XF61:1
RLM70/71 (70) XF27:1 or XF27:3 + XF1:1 -- (71) XF58:4 + XF62:1 + XF61:2
RLM70/71 (70) XF27:1 -- (71) XF62:1 + XF49:1
RLM70/71 (70) XF27:1 -- (71) XF61:8 + XF2:2

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Can't say much for Gunze ATM. Do not use them, but here's what's recommended


Gunze RLM02 (Mr. Hobby/color C60)
Gunze RLM66 (Mr. Hobby/color C116)
Gunze RLM70 (Mr. Hobby/color C18)
Gunze RLM71 (Mr. Hobby/color C17)
Gunze RLM74 (Mr. Hobby/color C36)
Gunze RLM75 (Mr. Hobby/color C37)
Gunze RLM76 (Mr. Hobby/color C117)



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Vallejo model color

RLM 02: Grey: VMC 70886: Interior Colour. Cockpit area until November 1941. Fuselage interior etc. All over on Prototypes

RLM 23: Red: VMC 70817: ID Markings/ Fire Extinguisher & Lines

RLM 24: Blue: VMC 70963: ID Markings/ Oxygen Cylinder & Lines

RLM 25: Green: VMC 70970: Coolant Lines

RLM 26: Brown: VMC 70982: Oil lines

RLM 27: Yellow: VMC 70831: Fuel Lines

RLM 65v.2/RLM 76: VMC 70907

RLM65v.1: Lightblue: VMC 70906: Lower Surfaces 1940

RLM 66: Black Grey: VMC 70866 :Cockpit interior after November 1941/cockpit panel surfaces only, prior to Nov, 1941.

RLM 70: Black Green: VMC 70897:Steel prop blades & splinter camouflage

RLM 71: DarkGreen: VMC 70893 or 892 :wood prop blades with a semi-gloss clear coat protectant & splinter camouflage

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Taken from a forum:

"Cockpit/engine panel interior

General colour RLM02 - Vallejo Model Colour 886

Control Panels/radios etc RLM66 Vallejo Model Colour 866

Exterior Colours

Lower Colour European West & East, Baltic & Northern Theatres

Prior to November 1941 this was RLM 65v.1 Matched to VMC 906

Post November 1941 this was changed to RLM65v.2. Matched to VMC 907

Mediterranian Theatre Lower Colour

RLM78 - VMC 961

It is possible that the underside colour was changed to match the general theatre colour of aircraft while the top remained RLM72/73 but I have not found any supporting evidence.

UPPER SURFACE HARD LINE SPLINTER PATTERN

For Seaplanes and maritime recon aircraft this remained the same throughout the war in all theatres and is RLM72/73

RLM72 matched to VMC980

RLM73 matched to VMC895

Vallejo Model Colour Numbers and Names as referenced above

RLM02 - VMC 70886 Green Grey

RML65v.1 - VMC 70906 Pale Blue

RLM65v.2 - VMC 70907 Pale Grey Blue

RLM66 - VMC 70886 Grey Green

RLM72 - VMC 70980 Black Green

RLM73 - VMC 70895 Gunship Green

RLM78 - VMC 70961 Sky Blue

These as I have said further up are 100% shade matched to original shade cards and should give you a fantastic authentic paint job."

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Vallejo Model air's recomendations
(I don't like their shades for 70/71/74/75)

The RML - Air Colors numbers are:

RLM 00 = Model Air 71058 / 70510 - varnish
RLM 01 = Model Air 71063 - Silver
RLM 02 = Model Air 71044 - Light Grey Green
RLM 03 = Model Air 71065 - Steel
RLM 04 = Model Air 71078 - Gold Yellow
RLM 05 = Model Air 71106 - Yellow Azure

RLM 21 = Model Air 71001 - White
RLM 22 = Model Air 71057 - Black
RLM 23 = Model Air 71102 - Red
RLM 24 = Model Air 71090 - Blue Angel Blue
RLM 25 = Model Air 71014 - Gunship Green
RLM 26 = Model Air 71105 - Brown
RLM 27 = Model Air 71033 - Ochre

RLM 61 = Model Air 71042 - Camo Black Brown
RLM 65 = Model Air 71008 - Blue
RLM 66 = Model Air 71055 - Grey Green
RLM 70 = Model Air 71021 - Black Green
RLM 71 = Model Air 71015 - Olive Grey

RLM 73 = Model Air 71016 - US Dark Green
RLM 74 = Model Air 71054 - Dark Grey Blue
RLM 75 = Model Air 71052 - German Grey
RLM 76 = Model Air 71046 - Pale Grey Blue
RLM 78 = Model Air 71101 - Blue
RLM 79 = Model Air 71034 - Sandy Brown

RLM 80 = Model Air 71017 - Russian Green
RLM 81 = Model Air 71043 - Olive Drab
RLM 82 = Model Air 71022 - Camoflage Green
RLM 83 = Model Air 71011 - Tank Green
RLM 84 = Model Air 71103 - Grey

[[CAT]CplSlade]

Well, thanks. I think this more than covers the subject.

[flyboy_fx]

One more.

[normandy]

Here's a color chart that may help......if nothing else it helped me with the German to English names.

http://rhorta.home.xs4all.nl/jgrlm.htm