Panther tank diorama

[PLASTICFANATIC]

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[flyboy_fx]

where do you live? Why is there no swazi? lol YOu live in France/Europe in general/Germany?

[PLASTICFANATIC]

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[PLASTICFANATIC]

where do you live? Why is there no swazi? lol YOu live in France/Europe in general/Germany?

[flyboy_fx]

Oh I thought a swazi was supposed to be on it... Never doubt ya lol

BTW where do you live?

[ram04]

flyboy_fx, sounds like your getting ready to move to a new locale

[grunt1]

Amazing...

[flyboy_fx]

Yea Now where do ya live.. Please give detailed description of you life, Kids, wife, House, address, and anything else I could use to stalk you..

[Black_Dragon_One]

this what i want to do if i had the skill so sweet.

[Panzer_M]

where do you live? Why is there no swazi? lol YOu live in France/Europe in general/Germany?

German Vehicle Recognition Drape
These flag/drapes were supposedly placed on vehicles so that German planes could tell where the German frontline was, but according to some German flag experts the Balkan Cross version is merely a postwar invention that was never actually used by the German Armed Forces. Others claim that it was used for a very short time by German "SS-Totenkopf" units, but soon abolished because it was too noticeable by the enemy. The Germans did, early in the war, use signal drapes to identify German armour for the Luftwaffe, but the only documented ones were simply the national flag with the swastika emblem. These drapes could be identified because they lacked loops for hoisting and had loops on all four corners making them suitable for fixing on tanks and even on the front deck of warships.

This Balkan Cross version (a white circle with a Balkan cross in its center rather than a swastika) is presently not historically documented and may have been manufactured, but never distributed before the war's end. One suggestion was that they had been warehoused, and Allied occupation troops had found them and brought them home as souvenirs. This questionable drape has also sometimes been falsely identified as a "Panzer Balkenkreuz flag."

[ram04]

flyboy_fx , he's holding out on you, can you imagine what would happen if you arrived on his front porch

[PLASTICFANATIC]

where do you live? Why is there no swazi? lol YOu live in France/Europe in general/Germany?

German Vehicle Recognition Drape
These flag/drapes were supposedly placed on vehicles so that German planes could tell where the German frontline was, but according to some German flag experts the Balkan Cross version is merely a postwar invention that was never actually used by the German Armed Forces. Others claim that it was used for a very short time by German "SS-Totenkopf" units, but soon abolished because it was too noticeable by the enemy. The Germans did, early in the war, use signal drapes to identify German armour for the Luftwaffe, but the only documented ones were simply the national flag with the swastika emblem. These drapes could be identified because they lacked loops for hoisting and had loops on all four corners making them suitable for fixing on tanks and even on the front deck of warships.

This Balkan Cross version (a white circle with a Balkan cross in its center rather than a swastika) is presently not historically documented and may have been manufactured, but never distributed before the war's end. One suggestion was that they had been warehoused, and Allied occupation troops had found them and brought them home as souvenirs. This questionable drape has also sometimes been falsely identified as a "Panzer Balkenkreuz flag."

[Panzer]

Actually the flag was used during the war. You can see it on the rear of the Panther.
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[PLASTICFANATIC]

Actually the flag was used during the war. You can see it on the rear of the Panther.
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[Panzer_M]

yea I found that photo today in "SS Armor on the Eastern Front" by Velimir Vuksic: caption says the Panther is from LAH in the Zhitomir area in January 1944

The quoted text I posted is from a book on flags on the Third Reich. Here is the text posted online.
http://www.loeser.us/flags/nsdap_military.html

right now discussion on MissingLynx is debating the flag, although some feel the photo is retouched.

I'm waiting for Tom Cockle and few other to chime in, as they would know far better if the flag was used or not and if so by whom I am sure.

[PLASTICFANATIC]

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[SolidSnakeEyes]

Instead of flaming your diorama, PlasticFantic, I'm going to say: "Great work!"

I've spent the better part of an hour, checking out every detail of both of your currently posted dios.

Very nice *thumbs up*

[Panzer_M]

yea I found that photo today in "SS Armor on the Eastern Front" by Velimir Vuksic: caption says the Panther is from LAH in the Zhitomir area in January 1944

The quoted text I posted is from a book on flags on the Third Reich. Here is the text posted online.
http://www.loeser.us/flags/nsdap_military.html

right now discussion on MissingLynx is debating the flag, although some feel the photo is retouched.

I'm waiting for Tom Cockle and few other to chime in, as they would know far better if the flag was used or not and if so by whom I am sure.

A friend of mine saw a posting with a photo of my panther at Missing Linx and direct me to it, very interesting set of opinions over there, including the gentelman who called me "a slopy historian"....he should read the begining of my post over here where I said the "historical mistakes" on the tank...ah, well some people take this hobby to serius .

I am trying to locate my collector friend in Europe to see if he still have the magnificent original wartime pictures Heer panzer crew photo album in which the flag appears in tree diferent pictures, to see if he can scan it and I post it here......or may be not...since it could be another sinister photoshop job

I started that thread to get info on the flag, as I've only seen them as modern PC Flags to get around EU law against Nazi Symbols in the hobby. I couldn't find it in my Osprey book of German flag or my Schiffler book..when you claimed photo evidence I wanted to see it, and since someone over on ML has a copy of every photo, every PK photographer took during the war it would be a good chance to find it...my collection of 250 books on WWII in Europe didn't have it...make that 253, just bought Beyond Stalingrad, Ju 87s units of the Russian Front and Bidermann's In deadly Combat this week from Barnes and Noble/Amazon.

I did defend you on the critics, going after the model, stating it was a toy that was customized and not a kit model. But you must know how bolt and nutters are.

[VMF115]

I like your Work!!!!!!!!

Good Job!

[Panzer_M]

yea I found that photo today in "SS Armor on the Eastern Front" by Velimir Vuksic: caption says the Panther is from LAH in the Zhitomir area in January 1944

The quoted text I posted is from a book on flags on the Third Reich. Here is the text posted online.
http://www.loeser.us/flags/nsdap_military.html

right now discussion on MissingLynx is debating the flag, although some feel the photo is retouched.

I'm waiting for Tom Cockle and few other to chime in, as they would know far better if the flag was used or not and if so by whom I am sure.

A friend of mine saw a posting with a photo of my panther at Missing Linx and direct me to it, very interesting set of opinions over there, including the gentelman who called me "a slopy historian"....he should read the begining of my post over here where I said the "historical mistakes" on the tank...ah, well some people take this hobby to serius .

I am trying to locate my collector friend in Europe to see if he still have the magnificent original wartime pictures Heer panzer crew photo album in which the flag appears in tree diferent pictures, to see if he can scan it and I post it here......or may be not...since it could be another sinister photoshop job

That was Roy, pres of AMPS. So you can kinda get where that is going, Those are guys who are 100% Historically correct down to the washers on the bolts.

[PLASTICFANATIC]

Instead of flaming your diorama, PlasticFantic, I'm going to say: "Great work!"

I've spent the better part of an hour, checking out every detail of both of your currently posted dios.

Very nice *thumbs up*

[Jay]

Whoa! Nice work! Love the engine detail.

[PLASTICFANATIC]

A friend of mine saw a posting with a photo of my panther at Missing Linx and direct me to it, very interesting set of opinions over there, including the gentelman who called me "a slopy historian"....he should read the begining of my post over here where I said the "historical mistakes" on the tank...ah, well some people take this hobby to serius .

I am trying to locate my collector friend in Europe to see if he still have the magnificent original wartime pictures Heer panzer crew photo album in which the flag appears in tree diferent pictures, to see if he can scan it and I post it here......or may be not...since it could be another sinister photoshop job

That was Roy, pres of AMPS. So you can kinda get where that is going, Those are guys who are 100% Historically correct down to the washers on the bolts.

[flyboy_fx]

Lol same here!

Right now im reworking a 1/18 Panzer IV Ausf D.. And it is NO way a rivet counter model...just to make it look better..