My 1/18th Bf109G2

norman888 · Post by **norman888** » Sat Apr 12, 2008 3:08 pm

As a long time lurker on these forums I finally decided to become a member and register. I thought you all might be interested in my latest project of backdating 21st Century's 109 to an earlier G2 version.
I started with the sand filter and cast copies of the old 109E wheels. The engine and wing bulges have been removed and right now I'm working on the decal sheet. From my pic you can take a guess at whose 109 this is going to be...

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pickelhaube · Post by **pickelhaube** » Sat Apr 12, 2008 4:53 pm

My guess would be The Star Of Africa.
Real nice job on the trop filter.

What did you make the screen out of?

Welcome to the forum. This will be a nice project.

VMF115 · Post by **VMF115** » Sat Apr 12, 2008 5:37 pm

where did you get the wheels?

norman888 · Post by **norman888** » Sat Apr 12, 2008 9:14 pm

Pickelhaube, I have seen your creations and hope to make you proud! The screening is some "wedding" type ribbon I took from my wife. It just has the perfect look and tecture. I want to make Marseille's last 109 but am finding a hard time researching the markings of his ill-fated 109G2 and might just use the usual 109F ones. Any leads anyone?

VMF, I have casted those wheels using Alumilite from my old BF109E. I must say that they came out great as this was my first time doing them.

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olifant · Post by **olifant** » Sat Apr 12, 2008 11:59 pm

Nice work on the filter. I look forward to the finished product.

pickelhaube · Post by **pickelhaube** » Sun Apr 13, 2008 7:14 am

Hey Norman 888,
Squadron Signal makes a book on the Aces of Africa and if I am not mistaken they have a couple of profiles in it. The last plane he flew was borrowed from another pilot. Also there is another book Modeling the Me-109 (Bf) that has a good work up of his plane with a nice diorama to boot. The easiest way to get them may be e-bay.

Yoxford · Post by **Yoxford** » Mon Apr 14, 2008 6:34 am

Norman 888,

Welcome to the forum!
Off to a great start, Hans-Joachim Marseille would be proud.
Please keep us updated on your progress.

Rogue · Post by **Rogue** » Mon Apr 14, 2008 2:33 pm

I too am working on Marseille's 109F, for my wife.

Kinda got busy and haven't gotten to paint and decals though.....yet.

Nice Job!

pickelhaube · Post by **pickelhaube** » Mon Apr 14, 2008 2:39 pm

Rogue wrote:I too am working on Marseille's 109F, for my wife.

Kinda got busy and haven't gotten to paint and decals though.....yet.

Nice Job!

For your wife ?

Folkwulfe · Post by **Folkwulfe** » Mon Apr 14, 2008 3:25 pm

Apparently, Marseille's G2 aircraft was painted like to F series aircraft he flew before. His Yellow-14 markings were carried over to the new aircraft in 3 Staffel. I found these two paragraphs describing his fatal aircraft in the Wikipedia.

The two missions of 26 September 1942 had been flown in Bf 109G-2/Trops, in one of which Marseille had shot down seven enemy aircraft. The first six of these machines were to replace the Gruppe's Bf 109Fs. All had been allocated to Marseille's 3 Staffel. Marseille had previously ignored orders to use these new aircraft because of its high engine failure rate, but on the orders of Generalfeldmarschall Albrecht Kesselring, Marseille reluctantly obeyed. One of these machines, WK-Nr. 14256, Engine: Daimler-Benz DB 605 A-1, W.Nr. 77 411, was to be the final aircraft Marseille flew.
On 30 September 1942, Hauptmann Marseille was leading his Staffel on a Stuka escort mission, during which no contact with enemy fighters was made. While returning to base, his new Bf 109G-2/Trop's cockpit began to fill with smoke; blinded and half asphyxiated, he was guided back to German lines by his wingmen, Jost Schlang and Lt Rainer Pöttgen. Upon reaching friendly lines, "Yellow 14" had lost power and was drifting lower and lower. Pöttgen called out after about 10 minutes that they had reached the White Mosque of Sidi Abdel Rahman, and were thus within friendly lines. At this point, Marseille deemed his aircraft no longer flyable and decided to bail out, his last words to his comrades being "I've got to get out now, I can't stand it any longer".

pickelhaube · Post by **pickelhaube** » Mon Apr 14, 2008 4:18 pm

Folkwulfe wrote:Apparently, Marseille's G2 aircraft was painted like to F series aircraft he flew before. His Yellow-14 markings were carried over to the new aircraft in 3 Staffel. I found these two paragraphs describing his fatal aircraft in the Wikipedia.

The two missions of 26 September 1942 had been flown in Bf 109G-2/Trops, in one of which Marseille had shot down seven enemy aircraft. The first six of these machines were to replace the Gruppe's Bf 109Fs. All had been allocated to Marseille's 3 Staffel. Marseille had previously ignored orders to use these new aircraft because of its high engine failure rate, but on the orders of Generalfeldmarschall Albrecht Kesselring, Marseille reluctantly obeyed. One of these machines, WK-Nr. 14256, Engine: Daimler-Benz DB 605 A-1, W.Nr. 77 411, was to be the final aircraft Marseille flew.
On 30 September 1942, Hauptmann Marseille was leading his Staffel on a Stuka escort mission, during which no contact with enemy fighters was made. While returning to base, his new Bf 109G-2/Trop's cockpit began to fill with smoke; blinded and half asphyxiated, he was guided back to German lines by his wingmen, Jost Schlang and Lt Rainer Pöttgen. Upon reaching friendly lines, "Yellow 14" had lost power and was drifting lower and lower. Pöttgen called out after about 10 minutes that they had reached the White Mosque of Sidi Abdel Rahman, and were thus within friendly lines. At this point, Marseille deemed his aircraft no longer flyable and decided to bail out, his last words to his comrades being "I've got to get out now, I can't stand it any longer".

After he bailed he was hit with the rear empanage and it is said that he never had a chance to open his chute.

Rogue · Post by **Rogue** » Thu Apr 17, 2008 8:47 am

pickelhaube wrote:
For your wife ?

Yep, she loves the 109!

I'm more of a PTO kinda guy, which leads to some heated arguments.

norman888 · Post by **norman888** » Wed Apr 23, 2008 6:17 pm

Just a small update today. I just finished making the decal sheet and plan to paint the white background for the markings.

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pickelhaube · Post by **pickelhaube** » Wed Apr 23, 2008 6:38 pm

Looks good

norman888 · Post by **norman888** » Sat Apr 26, 2008 10:10 am

Finally got to the primer coat. Just a couple of things to fix before the main coat of paint...I can't wait! Also made the stencil for white portion of markings.

pickelhaube · Post by **pickelhaube** » Sun Apr 27, 2008 6:20 am

Looking good

pickelhaube · Post by **pickelhaube** » Sun Apr 27, 2008 6:21 am

EGADS . The dreaded double post!!

thehun · Post by **thehun** » Sun Apr 27, 2008 12:14 pm

I agree, Looking good so far so far.

RAD 2112 · Post by **RAD 2112** » Sat May 03, 2008 5:52 am

norman888 wrote:Just a small update today. I just finished making the decal sheet and plan to paint the white background for the markings.

Looking good!
You have inspired my to make some customs of my own.
BTW: How did you make the decal sheet?

norman888 · Post by **norman888** » Mon May 05, 2008 11:24 am

I used AutoCAD to make the actual drawings, if I new how to use Illustrator that would probably be easier/better! The clear decal paper is from decalpaper.com for a laser printer. The paper is slightly thicker than normal aftermarket decals but it is not any thicker than the painted markings on 1/18th aircraft.
They do sell white decal paper but I thought it might be better to just paint the white portions and put the decals on top to avoid any dark colors bleeding through.
I just saw that BBI 109G2 and that's just typical, you start a project and then someone comes out with one. I guess I should start my 190A!!
Not to moan about 1/18 aircraft, but why would BBI feel the need to make a 109 after seeing 21C's great effort and to make a desert non-Marseille???? Does not make sense to me.

pickelhaube · Post by **pickelhaube** » Mon May 05, 2008 2:39 pm

This is kind of a bad dream. I was working on getting some prints together for a v-1 and almost at the plastic cutting stage Pegasis came out with theres's. Puts a big monkey wrench in the works.

RAD 2112 · Post by **RAD 2112** » Mon May 05, 2008 8:49 pm

norman888 wrote:I used AutoCAD to make the actual drawings...

AutoCAD?!?... That should be easy then.
I've been using that for years...
I could probably do it in Revit as well.

Thanks for the tip!

norman888 · Post by **norman888** » Tue May 06, 2008 8:45 am

You can also insert PDF's of markings and "trace" them in CAD if you are not that artistic.

RAD 2112 · Post by **RAD 2112** » Tue May 06, 2008 9:24 am

norman888 wrote:You can also insert PDF's of markings and "trace" them in CAD if you are not that artistic.

Sounds like you're in the Engineering field if you're using AutoCAD.

Do you think the decal paper will be OK with a 1/32 aircraft or will it look questionable?
Have you tried their "rub-on" decal paper?

norman888 · Post by **norman888** » Tue May 06, 2008 10:35 am

I first tried the rub-on paper and it is VERY thick and really unusable for models. The water decal paper is slightly thick, I don't think you would win a contest, but it looks very good. Probably a coat of Future Wax on top would hide the film a lot better for 1/32 scale.

I work in product manufacturing for a major food company.