Admiral Toys Information Q&A (Jason)

Shin Densetsu · Post by **Shin Densetsu** » Sun Jan 28, 2007 6:32 pm

Jason of Admiral Toys wrote:Interesting guessing thus far, I of course cannot tell you if you are correct until I get back from China later this week.

I will give you your second hint:

“Oil”

I know the hints are not much to go off, but you have proven that you have the uncanny ability to guess these aircraft way too well.

Good luck,
Jason

Jason,

The F-14 has only been used by the USN and the Iranian Air Forces, Iran is in an oil rich region, the F-14 is the father of long range interception and automatic wing sweep(only seen later on the Tornado ADV mk.3)

Not to mention its part of Grumman Iron Works and also most grumman fighters were named after cats, the tomcat is no exception.

Jericoeagle1 · Post by **Jericoeagle1** » Sun Jan 28, 2007 6:43 pm

Jason of Admiral Toys wrote:Interesting guessing thus far, I of course cannot tell you if you are correct until I get back from China later this week.

I will give you your second hint:

“Oil”

I know the hints are not much to go off, but you have proven that you have the uncanny ability to guess these aircraft way too well.

Good luck,
Jason

The Douglas Skyraider was known for its use and leaking of oil, but father doesn't fit unless they are talking about the father being the pilot. I just can't believe they would make another Corsair though.

Moth · Post by **Moth** » Sun Jan 28, 2007 7:01 pm

Any radial engine leaks oil like it drinks fuel

chunks · Post by **chunks** » Sun Jan 28, 2007 7:11 pm

Moth wrote:Any radial engine leaks oil like it drinks fuel

That's one of the reasons why the hire rate for an otherwise comparable a/c (for example cl-215 and cl-415) is more for the radial then the turbine engined a/c. radial engines also tend to blow heads often due to oil lock if they aren't prespun to distribute to oil prior to start.

Jericoeagle1 · Post by **Jericoeagle1** » Sun Jan 28, 2007 7:25 pm

Well we are probably going to have to wait on an answer to this one. Jason's clues are pretty vague.

Shin Densetsu · Post by **Shin Densetsu** » Sun Jan 28, 2007 7:45 pm

Jericoeagle1 wrote:
Jason of Admiral Toys wrote:Interesting guessing thus far, I of course cannot tell you if you are correct until I get back from China later this week.

I will give you your second hint:

“Oil”

I know the hints are not much to go off, but you have proven that you have the uncanny ability to guess these aircraft way too well.

Good luck,
Jason
The Douglas Skyraider was known for its use and leaking of oil, but father doesn't fit unless they are talking about the father being the pilot. I just can't believe they would make another Corsair though.

it could be skyraider...if father refers to Earl Heindeman, I guess he could be called "father of modern naval attackers" since he did design the Skyhawk and other famous planes.

chunks · Post by **chunks** » Sun Jan 28, 2007 7:48 pm

Hey Jason, sometime ago I asked you (admiral) to keep going since you about took the posts here. major congrats, you've done it!!

MIGMADMAVIS · Post by **MIGMADMAVIS** » Sun Jan 28, 2007 7:50 pm

Im going with B-25 again, because on the Doolitle Raid or the raid on tokyo, remember plenty of the B-25s ran out of oil once they got there. Thats just my educated guess

kevrut · Post by **kevrut** » Sun Jan 28, 2007 9:21 pm

What plane bombed the German oil fields in Ploeste?
B-24!
B-25!
B-26!
etc...

Other than this,... I have nothing.

Birddog · Post by **Birddog** » Sun Jan 28, 2007 9:34 pm

JohnLumley wrote:Ok... so its bigger than a Dauntless.

One of the definitions of the word father is...... To be the creator, founder, or author of; originate.

So here is my guess....

Answer:

The Fairchild-Republic A-10 Thunderbolt II is the first US Air Force aircraft designed exclusively for CAS.

It is the "First" (Father) aircraft designed from a blank piece of paper to be an exclusice close air support attack aircraft.

Like your thinking there John......hope someday we will be guessing on it, but I don't feel like we are this time....a B-25 or Helldiver sounds more likely in sticking with the current WWII trend....

Spudkopf · Post by **Spudkopf** » Mon Jan 29, 2007 1:24 am

G'day All

Oil = Slick

However the only slick that I know of is the UH1 and we've been there and done that, however that is unless we are talking UH1H and then we'd have a real Huey at last. Can not tie the father clue in other than the UH1s where the first truly deployed combat troop carrier helicopters of the US ARMY.

Oil = Black

U2, SR71 & F117 all are black jets and the U2 in particular could be considered as the father of the Lockheed black projects.

It's not much but other than this I have nothing.

JohnLumley · Post by **JohnLumley** » Mon Jan 29, 2007 9:50 am

Based on the clues I think the aircraft is a Piper product. "Piper J-3 CUB" perhaps. Piper did make a lot of light planes for WWII.

Read the beginning of Piper's Biography...

William Thomas Piper, Sr. was born in 1881 at Knapp Creek, a small village in New York. There his father dabbled both in dairy farming and in the promising crude oil business.

By the time he was eight, young Bill Piper was already cast in the mold of rural America, milking cows and walking several miles to a one-room country school. At the age of nine he introduced himself to the oil business when he assisted in the grimy task of repairing well pumps. When family finances improved, the Piper family moved to Bradford, Pennsylvania.

Read the full bio here...

http://nationalaviation.blade6.donet.co ... rent_ID=-1

I am spending way too much time on this!

Oh yea.... A J-3 Cub is much much smaller than a Dauntless. Not a good guess after all.

warhawker · Post by **warhawker** » Mon Jan 29, 2007 10:07 am

MAN, I am in Europe for a week and BAM...all of this great AT news on the boards!
-Bigger than the Dauntless
- "father" clue
- "oil" clue
I am going to have to pass until another clue comes along!

VMF115 · Post by **VMF115** » Mon Jan 29, 2007 10:12 am

P-61 black wideo
Why it’s the first fighter to be designed at the begging as an interceptor with radar.

Jericoeagle1 · Post by **Jericoeagle1** » Mon Jan 29, 2007 10:15 am

Based on the clues I think the aircraft is a Piper product. "Piper J-3 CUB" perhaps. Piper did make a lot of light planes for WWII.

Read the beginning of Piper's Biography...

William Thomas Piper, Sr. was born in 1881 at Knapp Creek, a small village in New York. There his father dabbled both in dairy farming and in the promising crude oil business.

By the time he was eight, young Bill Piper was already cast in the mold of rural America, milking cows and walking several miles to a one-room country school. At the age of nine he introduced himself to the oil business when he assisted in the grimy task of repairing well pumps. When family finances improved, the Piper family moved to Bradford, Pennsylvania.

Read the full bio here...

http://nationalaviation.blade6.donet.co ... rent_ID=-1

I am spending way too much time on this! Very Happy

Oh yea.... A J-3 Cub is much much smaller than a Dauntless. Not a good guess after all.

It's as good a guess as any. I don't know for sure but wasn't the Dauntless pretty small in the first place? I show the dimensions as

Length 33' 1"
Wingspan 41' 6"
Hieght 13' 7"

So we can eliminate any aircraft smaller then these dimensions. In 1/18th scale it almost exactly matches the dimensions of the BBI Corsair.

Length 22.06"
Wingspan 27.7"
Hieght 9.06 "

All of my measurements are approximations.

So we are looking for something as big or bigger then a Corsair. That would eliminate most if not all Japanese fighters, The P-39, The Mustang from A model to D, Any of the P-40 Series, Spitfire, and Hurricane. I don't think we are looking at a fighter here but a Dive Bomber, Bomber or attack Aircraft. The Typhoon I'm going to Eliminate because it is almost the same size as the Dauntless and Jason said "much larger then the Dauntless".

toyktdlgh · Post by **toyktdlgh** » Mon Jan 29, 2007 10:29 am

The Dauntless is actually quite a bit larger than the Corsair. I think this rules out duplication unless they are making an Avenger.

Jericoeagle1 · Post by **Jericoeagle1** » Mon Jan 29, 2007 10:42 am

I'll just mildly disagree with you here. The Dimensions for the Corsair F4U-4 Version are

Length 33' 8"
Width (Wingspan) 41'
Hieght 16'

The Dauntless

Length 33'1"
Width 41' 6"
hieght 13' 7"

The Corsair is significantly bigger in hieght and slightly so in length. The differences in wingspan favors the Dauntless which is only slightly wider. This would be hard to percieve to the eye. But the Corsair is a bigger aircraft.

toyktdlgh · Post by **toyktdlgh** » Mon Jan 29, 2007 1:45 pm

Sorry, I was going by what you had posted above. I thought your second set of measurements was for the Corsair. Guess not.

Jericoeagle1 · Post by **Jericoeagle1** » Mon Jan 29, 2007 2:04 pm

Thats okay I guess I could have made that a little clearer. All of which leads to ask which aircraft are larger than a Dauntless and Corsair?

Refers to father in some way?

Dad, Pop, Pappy, Poppa, Old man?

Refers to Oil in some way?

Crude, Slick, Greasy, Texas Tea?

toyktdlgh · Post by **toyktdlgh** » Mon Jan 29, 2007 2:09 pm

For some reason i thought the Dauntless was bigger than that. I guess it just looks big. I have no idea what will be comming out. I just hope its cool factor is off the chart.

118f4phantom · Post by **118f4phantom** » Mon Jan 29, 2007 4:51 pm

1st post from a lurker for 6 months- I thought I'd register at least to have a shot at Jasons guessing game

, on my first attempt on the puzzle I saw the "far' off the radar" quote and right away saw F-117 then tried to back it up with 'far' quote -- F ,a =1st letter,r=18 letter =f 118

wrong and gave up. Now seeing the "oil" clue (maybe for black) I'm back to thinking F 117 and the only way this goofy formula may work is with the Greek alphabet. F +alfa is 1 and rho(r) is 17 =F 117. Also the Nighthawk is the most recognizable aircraft to the CNN generatation its a must do by the manufacturers. Hey I'd buy one but I'd rather have an F4 PHANTOM and a HARRIER GR5

Thanks to everyone here for all the great info,
Steve in Ca (Ex UK)

tmanthegreat · Post by **tmanthegreat** » Mon Jan 29, 2007 4:59 pm

Any idea on when we will actually get the SBD Dauntless besides early or late spring? From what Jason was indicating, it sounded like they are not that far off - dare I say only a month?

Jason of Admiral Toys · Post by **Jason of Admiral Toys** » Mon Jan 29, 2007 5:56 pm

Tmanthegreat,

Not that soon on the SBD. It is done with tooling, but has some engineering to work out with the airbrakes. Gravity is not our friend in toy making. Top go up… want to come down. We will get it correct!

As for the next clue regarding this elusive aircraft:

1. Father
2. Oil
3. Jump and Pull were your only options.

Good luck
Jason

Jericoeagle1 · Post by **Jericoeagle1** » Mon Jan 29, 2007 5:59 pm

Jason of Admiral Toys wrote:Tmanthegreat,

Not that soon on the SBD. It is done with tooling, but has some engineering to work out with the airbrakes. Gravity is not our friend in toy making. Top go up… want to come down. We will get it correct!

As for the next clue regarding this elusive aircraft:

1. Father
2. Oil
3. Jump and Pull were your only options.

Good luck
Jason

Well "Jump and Pull" makes me think of the Harrier "Jump" jet or the actions you do to start a World War era Biplane as with the propeller.

Spudkopf · Post by **Spudkopf** » Mon Jan 29, 2007 6:00 pm

G'day Jason

"Jump and Pull were your only options"

That pushes me back towards a DC3 / C47 Dakota (Skytrain) as in regards to paratroopers.

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