When the Czech army was supposed to invade France

[blaster_e11]

In a recent book, a Czech historian, Petr Lunak, has revealed several war plans of the Varsow Pact during the Cold War.

According to the Czech archives disclassified in 1997, the former communist organizations was planning to occupy western Europe and each country had its targets. the Czech army was tasked to crush the west armies in the south of Western Germany in order to reach the French border within a week. After the take of Lyon, the Red Army would have gone forth towards the Pyrénées mountains and Spanish border.

The historian states that several Czech generals thought this plan was unrealistic.

The Soviets also planned in the early 60s to launch nuclear strikes againts high value targets such as the city of Lyon (2nd largest town in France).

[Wieslaw]

It would be funny if it were not so dangerous: in the Soviet plans, the smaller Czechoslovak Army had to invade France and the bigger "People's Polish Army's" target was Denmark (!). Who knows why? It is of course a rhetoric question; I don't suppose the former Soviet generals are small scale enthusiasts and read our Forum...

[blaster_e11]

in these plans i guess the red Armywas to take care of Germany, right ?

[Wieslaw]

Blaster,

Russians would fight everywhere... The main part of Western Germany would be attacked by Russians and East-Germans.

http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic. ... arsaw+pact

Fortunately, NATO knew all these plans, i.a. thanks to the Polish Colonel Kuklinski http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ryszard_Kukli%C5%84ski who delivered to CIA a lot of top-top-secret Warsaw Pact documents...

[Wieslaw]

Sorry, I repeated here unwittingly the same post (how I did it? ) and cannot delete. So I edited it.

[tmanthegreat]

The Cezch army invading France? Interesting! It would have been an interesting scenario to play out - sort of like the Dropshoot scenario in the US during the early years of the Cold War. I would like to say that the French would have won (as the Cezchs would have had to get across Germany first and also don't have a historical reputation for a powerful army) but then again, its France...

[exether_mega]

wonder who was supposed to take care of Belgium

phil

[Razor17019]

wonder who was supposed to take care of Belgium

phil

Luxembourg

[exether_mega]

wonder who was supposed to take care of Belgium

phil

Luxembourg

phil

[Threetoughtrucks]

In the mid 60's, I was stationed in the 1st AD in Ft. Hood, Tx (one of the garden spots of the world.... ).

Because I was an E-5, and in the 1st AD Administration Company, one of my duties was to stand CQ at 1st AD HQ. I was alone with three phones. One red phone, a direct line from the Pentagon. No drills on that phone, in the middle of the night, if that phone rang, we were at war. Second phone was direct to the CO, a Maj. General, to call if the red phone rang and the third was to the 2nd in command to start alert notifications.

The great part was the big books I had access to, to read. These were plans on how to respond to a Cuban attack on the Texas coast, or Ruskie paratroop drops on various cities, Dallas, Austin (remember the movie "Red Dawn"?......well this was the real thing) .

The 1st AD was a "quick responder" to fly the division to Germany in 18 hours, where a duplicate set of all vehicles...tanks, trucks..etc. was maintained in Germany on constant high alert. Those plans were cut and dry...alert...pack...and get on planes....the good reading was the defense of the U.S........just like science fiction, but the real thing..... the few times any phone rang, the hair in my head stood up, especially if I was napping on the desk.

I loved it.. and those dopes thought the CQ job was almost a hassle, far from it....

TTT

[VMF115]

The best part about pulling CQ was, if you had it on a Thursday, you got the Friday off…..an automatic three day weekend. get off at 8 am friday, sleep for a few hours and then head down to the beach with a six pack of beer, a good WWII Book, and watch the chicks sun tan.

[ostketten]

The historian states that several Czech generals thought this plan was unrealistic

In all likelihood, these Czech generals were quite correct in their assessment. That part of Germany was in the American zone, meaning the Czech forces would have had to go through some of the more potent forces in USAREUR and USAFE in order to reach the French frontier, and needless to say, these Czech forces would have been vigorously opposed had they been foolish enough to attempt such an adventure at the behest of their Soviet masters.

the bigger "People's Polish Army's" target was Denmark (!). Who knows why?

Better Cheese

[VMF115]

I guess the Czech’s believed if the could get past the Americans the French would fold within hours , probably before they reached France, their thinking is if the American where defeated then the French would just give up….LOL


Just Jokeing.. :lol

[Wieslaw]

Yes, everybody knows Poles want to fight always and everywhere in opposition to Czechs which do never fight... Yes, our nations have different characters, even the heroes in the Polish and Czech literatures are different (like the bold adventurer Kmicic who fought bravely against the Swedish aggressors in 17th Century vs. an Austro-Hungarian soldier, a Czech Svejk avoiding the combat during the WW I). But I want to advocate for our "brothers-Czechs". In the Middle Ages the Czech soldiers were famous for their bravery (thanks to Jan Zizka for his participation in the Battle of Grunwald - the great Polish victory over the Teutonic Order, 1410). One of the famous Polish 303 Squadron aces was... a Czech, sergeant Josef Frantisek http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josef_Frantisek. In the WW II, Chechoslovaks had the Armoured Brigade and 4 Squadrons which fought in the western front. Not as many as Poles, but they are not so large nation.

[KAMIKAZE]

I would say those Czech generals knew that any full scale Warsaw pact invasion would have been met with a nuclear response by Nato. We are fortunate that this did not become a reality during the early sixties. The damage inflicted on the people of Europe and the rest of the world would been tragic.

Mark

[blaster_e11]

The historian states that several Czech generals thought this plan was unrealistic

In all likelihood, these Czech generals were quite correct in their assessment. That part of Germany was in the American zone, meaning the Czech forces would have had to go through some of the more potent forces in USAREUR and USAFE in order to reach the French frontier, and needless to say, these Czech forces would have been vigorously opposed had they been foolish enough to attempt such an adventure at the behest of their Soviet masters.

the bigger "People's Polish Army's" target was Denmark (!). Who knows why?

Better Cheese

you can't get any better than french cheese

[Wieslaw]

you can't get any better than french cheese

Which kind of 246?...

Vive l'Empereur!

[blaster_e11]

actually it's more 350


here's a list

http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fromages_fran%C3%A7ais

[Wieslaw]

Thanks, Blaster! It's really impressive !

I don't know much about cheese and wine, but I'm an enthusiast of both of them...

[blaster_e11]

Thanks, Blaster! It's really impressive !

I don't know much about cheese and wine, but I'm an enthusiast of both of them...

well let me know when you visit France, we may have some fun

[Wieslaw]

Thank you! And vice versa: maybe you want (or have) to come to Poland? Here, we have the 351st kind of cheese: the "oscypek" [pronounce: os-tzee-peck ] - the speciality of Tatra Mountains.

[blaster_e11]

Thank you! And vice versa: maybe you want (or have) to come to Poland? Here, we have the 351st kind of cheese: the "oscypek" [pronounce: os-tzee-peck ] - the speciality of Tatra Mountains.

never been to poland myself but my wife had a great time in Krakow a couple years ago

[exether_mega]

Hey Wislaw, before going to France to taste 350 kind of cheese, make a halt to Belgium, we have 500 different kind of beer

phil

[Spudkopf]

Hey Wislaw, before going to France to taste 350 kind of cheese, make a halt to Belgium, we have 500 different kind of beer

phil

Yes!! on “Hairy Bikers Ride Again” the presenters went to a Beer restaurant, where even the desert had beer in it.

My preference is for semi soft Swiss cheeses, namely Raclette, Appenzeller, Tilsiter and Emmentaler. But one of my favourites is the French cheese Fol Epi.

But I also do like a nice Brei or Camembert, of which there are some fine Australian examples.

I also have this desire to taste Wensleydale, but I'm not exaclty sure I know why

After cheese you can’t go past Rosti mit Wurst or geschnäzteltes, or maybe a nice big schweine-haxen, but all served with an ice cold beir.

I also love my Sushi and Sashimi.

[blaster_e11]

the best thing to eat with cheese is good bread

damn it i'm hungry now and it's only 9:20 am