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Post by p51 » Wed Dec 22, 2004 7:57 pm

I thought he said this was a 'chat room'? :P

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Post by ParatrooperCarbine » Wed Dec 22, 2004 10:18 pm

He's less crazy than just an angry liar. I guess he is offended that we have not all bent over and grabbed our ankles without complaining. Poor widdwe baby.

Thanks for the update on the Sherman.

And yes, we do need to get him. :)

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Post by Zartan » Wed Dec 22, 2004 11:33 pm

I sent him a Sherman too.

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Post by ParatrooperCarbine » Thu Dec 23, 2004 6:41 am

Last night I sent him an email inquiring "Where's my stuff, you bastard?".

He sent me an idiotic response. He claimed he sent the stuff back and I just won't admit I got it back. He said we all just want to back out on our trades with a 12-year-old.
He also claimed that the number he originally called me from-AND told me was HIS number-is actually his grandfather's, and that I was harassing his innocent grandfather. BS. It is his number, where he makes and receives calls. He has called me from there and never said anything about it being his grandfather's number. He told me it was his, and his voice is on the machine.

He then said:

"I've talked to an attorney here, and by Ohio law,
there isn't anyway that I can prove that you actually
received what was sent to you, so therefore it is only
'my word against yours'. Even with delivery
confirmation, tracking numbers, signing for a package
etc, you can still say that either you received it or
that you didn't receive it, and there is no way for me
to prove it either way. Even if you signed for what I
sent to you, signing for a package proves nothing
really, it just shows that yes, you did receive a
package, but then you could say that it was just a big
emty box that you signed for. So I guess you can go on
lying to me forever and there isn't any way for me to
stop you, but at least I do have the choice of not
responding to your lies any longer. As I've taken care
of the phone calls, I will also take care of the
e-mail situation as well. Bob, like I've told the
others involved in this undeserved bombardment of
harassing phone calls and e-mails towards me, someone
who remember, was not even involved in the actual
deals that were made, I implore you to just Admit that
you do have your 'stuff', even if it is only an
admission to yourself that you do really have it, that
would be a start in the right direction. While I know
you all are angry because you wanted to go back on the
trades you made and did not want to fully honor them
etc, etc, just remember to accept the trades as they
were first concieved and let it go at that, okay?
Does that not seem to be the fair thing to do?"


What does he hope to accomplish? Convince us we got the items and forgot?

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Post by aferguson » Thu Dec 23, 2004 6:52 am

Guys, this is going nowhere. You either need to take concrete action (ie call the local police) or drop it and accept your losses.

This daily chest pounding is going to accomplish nothing..

(By the way, he clearly didn't talk to a lawyer. His tactic is to claim that he has returned all the items sent to him, believing that he can use the 'my word against yours' argument and that the law can't do anything as a result.

This is not the case. If it were that easy every crook in the world could get off the hook in court my claiming they returned the money they stole (eg a crook could say 'yes i robbed the bank but i gave the money back..if the people at the bank say i didn't they are lying and it is my word against there's).

Clearly this is an argument that will hold no weight with a judge. If several upstanding citizens lodge a complaint against one individual then that will carry the weight of argument.)

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Post by ParatrooperCarbine » Thu Dec 23, 2004 7:01 am

I just sent him the following email in response to his most recent idiocy (his email began with "you bastard? Is that a question?")-my response:

No, "Where's my stuff?" was the question. "You bastard" was merely an observation. Like "You thief", "You liar", and "You loser".

Signing for an item and then claiming you just got an empty box--hmmm... something you've tried before? Perhaps in an earlier fraud? I bet that's it. :)

And if you really thought they were just worthless little plastic toys, you wouldn't go to such trouble defrauding people to get them, would you? How much did you get for them?

And NO ONE believes the son/grandson/whatever story, just in case that hasn't sunk in yet. I think you can give that one up now, along with the rest of your transparent lies.

So, I'll ask again: Where's my stuff, you bastard?

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Post by Threetoughtrucks » Thu Dec 23, 2004 8:42 am

Come on guys, s_ _t or get off the pot.

As, Aferguson says, this "chest pounding" and exchange of e-mails with this sleeze is a BIG waste of time.

ACCEPT THE FACT THAT THIS SLEEZE WILL NEVER GIVE YOUR STUFF BACK. THAT STUFF IS GONE, YOU WILL NEVER HAVE THIS SITUATION END EASILY. THIS GUY RIPPED YOU ALL OFF.

So your choice is clear, take action or forget about it, accept that this guy is laughing at us all, and move on.

My offer of a $20 bill for legal expenses is still on the table. I'm mad, and I don't want this sleeze bag to get off on us.

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Post by 5ohsinker » Thu Dec 23, 2004 9:33 am

I havent been burned by this guy but ill chip in money if needed.

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Post by lightning2000 » Thu Dec 23, 2004 10:55 am

Toughtrucks,
With all due respect, somehow I don't think a $20 bill is going to have much impact on legal expenses if you plan to pursue this matter in court. If this person claims to have sent the items back to their rightful owners, then ask for proof, particularly a postal receipt. If he can't demonstrate an effort to return the merchandise, then he hasn't and I would immediately contact the police department. Sometimes the mere sight of a law enforcement official(s) on his/her doorstep can have a sobering impact on even the most stubborn person. If he's done this before to other people there's also a good chance that he may have a record in which case the police will certainly look into the matter more carefully.

I agree with AFerguson however. S**t or get off the pot. Chestbeating and writing scathing emails just wont cut it.

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Agreed (warning-foul language)

Post by ParatrooperCarbine » Thu Dec 23, 2004 2:07 pm

I agree the email exchanges are pointless, but I HAD TO post the last thing he sent to me (in response to my email above).

Warning: The language is offensive. :?


Okay Bob, here's an observation of my own:
You are obviously A LYING MOTHERFUCKER! And this
proves it; if you havn't noticed already, I put an
'ANTI-LYING MOTHERFUCKER DEVICE' on the telephone, and
if you were not in fact a 'LYING MOTHERFUCKER', your
calls could come through with no problem...so since
you haven't been able to call, well, what does that
tell you?? You are a LYING MOTHERFUCKER!!


Wow... Stunning rebuttal...

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Post by macvsog » Thu Dec 23, 2004 2:10 pm

Okay, so i know it's late on this, but i have been away and just started catching up on this thread... here are my thoughts and one thing you guys may not have caught:

*Aferg- im just reading on page 2 of the bad trader posts. what a catch you had:

this is an old post by this person in question in the refrence room:

"All of the battles depicted in 'The Sand Pebbles' are executed with a brilliance that only an epic director such as Sir Richard Attenborough could achieve."

EXCEPT: Sir Richard attenborough (the old guy from jurassic park) DID NOT DIRECT THAT FILM! Also that film as well as the other film he mentions are TEXTBOOK film school. I know because I have gone through a career change and attended film school recently... I think that he actually attends film school. Also, many film school types get confused because he did direct "a bridge too far" this tells me he is going to school in the area. Find a school close by with a film program and call the register... don't tell then why.. lie.. tell them you owe him money... ask for any of those names... bam.

Also film types cannot help but make a pretty little statement of their opinion on movies. So he is a student I'm sure of it.

In fact I'm going to check the film schools int hat area as soon as they open.. probably not until after the first?

I also do not believe that he was ever knighted, but perhaps.


*also:

"autistic 12 year old boy" that is far from having a learning problem. Also i went to school with three autistic children way back when, and there is NO WAY that an autistic person would be able to function at the level that audie or whatever has. And i understand that there are different degrees of autism, so someone can prove me wrong (its just my opinion based on my experience with autism).


*Also, has anyone thought that perhaps he is simply selling these items on ebay? has anyone looked for those names on ebay trader accounts?

-mike-

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Post by ParatrooperCarbine » Thu Dec 23, 2004 2:20 pm

I suspected he was selling them on eBay too. I still wouldn't be surprised; I just haven't found them so far.

I DID find a seller selling many of the items (XD Paras, XD 1st series, buildings, and a Sherman) who now has nothing still up, and who was selling XD stuff after the Audie incident before.

But it turns out he is in Conn, not OH or IN. And he has a lot of positive feedback.

Thanks,
Robert

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Post by p51 » Thu Dec 23, 2004 6:01 pm

Wow... that was some e-mail ParatrooperCarbine... wow. PLEASE guys... take any legal action you can! Don't let him get away scott free. Just because we've stopped him on here doesn't mean he'll go dupe many many other forums... he could be doing that as we speak! I will gladly help out with any info you all need for legal reasons. I have access to any part of this forums. Even if you need private messages to/from him here. I can get those with a lot of work, but it is doable.

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Post by USCGSARdog » Thu Dec 23, 2004 6:38 pm

ParatrooperCarbine- Sounds like someone is starting to crack :twisted:! You must have struck a nerve...... OOPS!

-Rob

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Post by Threetoughtrucks » Thu Dec 23, 2004 8:52 pm

Lightning2:

Most of the guys reading this thread realize that my offer of a $20 bill was not a "stand alone" offer for legal expenses. My meaning was to add the $20 donations together with 50 (or more) other readers who are all bothered by this sleeze ball, and would contribute for the common good. I would assume that the guys that have been scammed would contribute more because they stand a chance of recovering some of their goods or it's value. I would also expect the scammers would run this collection and control any legal action.

I would expect nothing. Only the satisfaction that I had helped in a tiny way to stop this guy and make him pay.

Being from NYC and old as dirt I have had more than my share of dealing with sleeze bags and I know the most effective way of dealing with sleeze bags is to use a 2x4 to get their attention. With the internet, about your only recourse is legal action to get revenge. Of course that assumes you can't take your revenge using the internet to your advantage. Most of us do not have the technical ability to do so (those that do on this board are on your own..........you know who you are..........god bless your little techno hearts).

No disrepect meant Mr. L2, but if you take exception to my manner, I'm easy to find, just look over your shoulder for me, my sons, ,my posse...... or most dangerous of all, my wife when she gets into her protective mode. She's from Brooklyn, Italian and her uncles (the ones not in the protection program) all have funny looking bent noses. I even laughed at their noses...once.

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Post by lightning2000 » Fri Dec 24, 2004 9:33 am

Hello TTT,
I hear where you're coming from and understand you're upset with this character. While it would be nice to have 50 members of this board contribute to the collective legal expense, I dare say that you might get contributions from a handful at most. Besides, do you really think a lawyer will take this case for $1,000? It has to be worth their while to assume a case of this nature and I don't think $1,000 will even begin to have an impact on their legal expenses.

As for Brooklyn, I was born there and regularly visited my grandparents who lived in Gravesend -- perhaps the heart of the Italian community -- before they both passed away some years ago. I even remember when one of the Dons passed away thirty or so years ago. The whole community was in mourning and all the lights were left off. I also remember the long motorcade and chauffer driven hearses.

I now live in Queens, NYC, so I can also understand your regional approach to handling unsavory individuals like this creep. Anyway, I was merely trying to point out that it will take alot more than $1,000 to prosecute this individual in a court of law --- striking fear in his heart with a visit by his local law enforcement officials is both cheaper and faster acting. The point is, you people need to make a decision soon before people get cold feet. Sending the guy nasty notes, no matter how satisfactory it might feel, wont get anything accomplished.

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Post by Threetoughtrucks » Fri Dec 24, 2004 3:40 pm

OK L2 - point taken. I just hope the guys who were scammed are carring the ball.

It appears this guy is the same guy as "Audie Murphy" and what was done about him? Anything? It's little wonder this guy laid low and now, since this group is ripe for a scammer, he has struck again.

If nothing is being done about this guy, he will come back in six months and do it again.

What is it with this board? Is it the mid-west? Is it the toys? Do people think guys that collect toys are naive?, are all nice decent people? Maybe it's just the distances separating the members. If you or I did this, we would be knocking on each others doors in an hours time for $200 stolen from either of us.

I am not that nice, and I don't trust anybody I meet on the internet without seeing them face to face. After one meeting I feel I can judge a mans character. The only guy on this board I feel wouldn't cheat or lie to me is Centone. Who I met once for 10 minutes....and he lives in Queens....but I don't think he is a native New Yorker, he is too nice a guy to really be one of us.

Merry Christmas to us all. Even you guys outside of NYC.

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Post by grockwood » Sat Dec 25, 2004 5:28 pm

I may be wrong but you only need to hire a Lawyer in a civil action. In a crimminal action, and I think theft is one, your county or state Prosecuting Attorney is your lawyer

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Post by lightning2000 » Sat Dec 25, 2004 10:23 pm

Hi,
I dont think this falls under the heading of theft. Theft would imply that he took something of value from you by breaking into your home, car, personal belongings, etc. What this most certainly is is mail fraud. That said, the victims of this crime might want to visit this web site and get the ball rolling with the US Postal Service:

https://www.usps.com/postalinspectors/f ... plaint.htm

I also think you should call them to make sure that they're aware of the problem at hand.

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Post by digger » Mon Dec 27, 2004 10:52 am

You are thinking of Burglary (someone breaking in....). This is Larceny by Trick. It is a crime. Funny name, but a crime nonetheless.

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Post by p51 » Tue Dec 28, 2004 12:42 pm

WARNING TO ALL - There is one other board member that Aferg and I are suspisious about. Because we're not 100% sure we won't be giving out the name... but this person has been showing some slight hints to be DeltaStrike/Audie/etc. While the IP addresses don't match that of Delta... it is on the type of account that doesn't have a static (perminate) IP... so they can get past the IP bans.

BE CAREFUL WITH YOUR TRANSACTIONS. MAKE SURE YOU KNOW WHO YOU'RE DEALING WITH

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Post by tankduel » Tue Dec 28, 2004 7:48 pm

This worries me,but I won't name any trader,I will leave that to P51 to decide when and if that's appropriate,we might be talking about another person for all I know.
But let me ask you guys a question that will might ease or confirm my (at this stage) suspicion about a purchase I made.

I have been given a tracking number for which no tracking service has been purchased(ie,it does not exist),apparently this was due a mix up at the post office.The package is supposedly insured.My question is that if a parcel is insured,this would require purchasing the tracking service number..right?

This is my first purchase on the board,so I would appreciate advice here,given current goings on.

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Post by vmf214 » Tue Dec 28, 2004 8:16 pm

The parcel would have to had a customs label attached that contains a number that IS trackable provided the USPS was the shipper. Insured items thru the USPS if valued over $50 also carry a number that is trackable.

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