"Everything about Hobby Master right here"
Posted: Mon Jun 26, 2006 2:23 pm
If you want to know what is taking place at Hobby Master, this is the thread to check. Any new posts will be placed in this one thread.
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Philip wrote:I am not familiar with Hobby Master, other than seeing the pictures. What is the quality of their armour, compared to Dragon? I see that the scale is larger than Dragon, but what about the detail, etc.?
lightning2000 wrote:Hi Philip,
I was actually pretty impressed with their detail and packaging when they arrived last week. Its difficult to say how much metal content is in the vehicle or where it is without scratching off the outer layer of paint. If I had to guess, its probably around 50% metal. Each vehicle comes with a decorative display base and see through outer packaging. For around $20 or so, they're a pretty good deal.
Obviously, the one drawback with the initial releases was the scale. Why they chose 1:56 is beyond me since it doesnt go with anything else on the market and they're late to the game with new product. Who knows, maybe they'll end up being collector's items years from now due to their peculiar scale.
If these are, in fact, the first pix of their 1:48 scale line then I'm again impressed. Both vehicles look great but without seeing them up close or knowing their price vis a vis the rest of the market, its difficult to pass final judgement.
Lightning2000
www.themotorpool.net
tmanthegreat wrote:That looks pretty cool! And to beat, its a Polish aircraft
Wieslaw wrote:Yes, it is
Gunner wrote:Pretty cool.
Any idea who will be carrying it?
(oh, and by the way, where'd you find those pics originally??)
DocTodd wrote:Are the Hobbymaster line planes pre assembled or are they kits that need to be assembled? Nice pics.
Todd
Mr. Football wrote:These are finished diecast models.
I bought some of their pre-pro stukas and was completely impressed.
Good stuff.
hawkonevoodoo wrote:Here is the latest information concerning the Mig-21 along with some other info. I will update information on the Stuka and Dauntless as soon as I have some.
"The Mig-21 will ship from HK on 20. July. So it will be available about 2 weeks later."
UPDATE: “We shipped the order (Stuka and Dauntless) from HK on 10.6. It will arrive in US two weeks later. It takes a few more days to retailers. So you can expect to find them near the end of June.”
This is part of another email from Hobby Master:
"For this year's plan, we have the MIG-21, F-104, TBM and F6F. The F6F has already been developed by Dragon, but since we have started the molding, we will still develop this aircraft with details better than Dragon.
tmanthegreat wrote:Nice! We get a 1:72 Dauntless and (eventually) a TBM
Gunner wrote:VERY Cool!
easy8 wrote:Football, did you get the Tigers too? If you did, what do you think?Mr. Football wrote:These are finished diecast models.
I bought some of their pre-pro stukas and was completely impressed.
Good stuff.
easy8
supersonicfifi wrote:hello i am interested in all theses models is ther e reference web esite ? or somwhere to see all their products ?
thanx
hawkonevoodoo wrote:“First, the Swastika decals for the Stukas, we can consider change for next version.
As for the panel lines, we will try to improve but I need to say the real model looks better than it shows in the forums. Most of our distributors are satisfied with the quality. I am sorry that some people have mistaken this as "painted lines" but this is actually "washed lines".
The problem of the panel lines is always our major consideration. From a technological point of view, it is difficult and time consuming (hence much more costly) to make panel lines that are both thin, shallow and can take a "wash".
You can tell from most other companies’ aircraft that their panel lines suffer from the problem of being too shallow. Hence, most of them do not have a "wash" at all. This is a great drawback.
We sent samples all over the world to distributors and the reaction was overwhelming. At present we don't see much problem with this. Most of our clients commented that our panel lines are "crisp" and "wonderful", such good comments are overwhelming and hence we have decided to keep it this way. We need to stress that die-casting is a different matter from plastic injection. This is probably the most thin and shallow that any manufacturer can make at this moment.
One reason Corgi and Dragon do not apply wash because the panel lines are too shallow to do the work. The time will almost double (for molding) if they are to make such thin and deep lines.
Anyway, I will make one without wash at all and investigate on all possibilities.
We expect more feedback and will find the way for more improvements in the future.
We will keep up the good work to satisfy our customers. Hobby Master "
Hobby Master definitely is listening and do care about the collector.
What is your Hobby Master wish list for 2007?hawkonevoodoo wrote:My association with Hobby Master is simply trying to see that a company that is starting up makes a go of it. If they are willing to take a risk by making a plane that others haven't touched, I definitely want them to do well. With Hobby Master doing well it means competition for the big guys and hopefully a better selection of models. I like the fact that Hobby Master actually reads our comments and tries to respond, not many other companies are willing to do this.me122172 wrote:Are you tired of manufacturers making up excuses for poor planning, or is it just me?
I mean... panel lines... no panel lines... why should you have to explain it now? As for the statement that the cost is more for panel lines that will take a wash!.... Give me a break! If you tool it correctly (the first time) then panel lines are... well... panel lines, anticipate the wash when you design the model! If the lines are too deep, which they are, then fix it!With my 63 year old eyes, the panel lines on a 1:1 model are not visable from more then 100 feet away. I should not see panel lines on a 1:72 scale model at more then 5 feet away (and that is giving you about 4+ feet on the math.) I have seen the Stuka and I can see the panel lines from 40 feet away!!
The cost is marginal if you do it right the first time . HM needs to buy a new CAD file and computer if they think that it is difficult to achieve an accurate scaled panel line. Etching molds these days is left up to technology, not the skilled hands of a craftsman.
Do not give me excuses for a model that should have been inspected long before the "it may not look right, but it cost more money to do it this way."
Admit that you looked over the fact that the panel lines are more pronounced then should be... and then I will buy your product .
Hawkonevoodoo, I was wondering what is your association with HM? You do seem to have a lot of inside info. How did you get this info, and do you care to share?![]()
And if they are taking apps, do you think they will take an old fart that trys to teach history to a bunch of smart a#% 8th graders in god's country, i.e. Albany?
As for the panel lines, just about everyone and I did say just about everyone, has a problem with some companies' models for just this reason. There are a few companies that produce models that look like someone fell asleep on the black paint section of the assembly line. I for one don't find this overly exaggerated feature appealing. Companies can make perfect panel lines but ruin the entire thing when they use their felt markers. I'm posting a personal review of the Mig-21 in another thread, I don't have any other models at this time to review. If you are judging the panel lines on the Stuka from a picture then I suggest that you find look at one in person. I was the same way with the Mig-21 based on pictures but I was pleasantly surprised when I actually held one in my hands. If you can see the panel lines on the Hobby Master Stuka from 40 feet away then you should be able to see IXO planes a mile away.
I could tell you how I obtain this information but then I would have to shoot you. You will just have to be happy with the fact that I do get the information and I gladly share it as soon as I possibly can. I try to make it fair and as accurate as possible so the collectors who read it can use it simply as a guide when making a decision. What is important here is the fact that there is information being provided, not where and how I obtain it.
As for applications, there already is one old fart involved and it is me, sorry, you'll just have to make do with me.
I'm posting my own personal review of the Mig-21 in another thread.
hawkonevoodoo wrote:I know Hobby Master reads these forums and takes your comments and suggestions very seriously. So, it would be great if everyone listed their TOP 5 planes in order of their importance to you:
Your top 5 prop planes, and if you like, add the paint scheme you would want to see. (Country, squadron and so on.)
P-61
A-1 Skyraider
SB2C Helldiver
JU-52
P-39 Airacobra ( Russian paint scheme for starters, Portugal, France, and Italy)
Your top 5 military jets, along with the paint scheme you would like to see. (Country, squadron and so on.)
My choices are:
SU-25 "Frogfoot" (any of these countries Czechoslovakia, Czech Republic, Slovak Republic, Bulgaria, PDRK, Iraq, Iran, Angola, Peru, Ethiopia, Congo, Macedonia, Afghanistan, Cis Nations.)
A-10
F-5E II (Aggressor scheme first)
Mig-23 Flogger (any of these countries Afghanistan, Algeria, Angola, Belarus, Bulgaria, Cuba, Czechoslovakia, East Germany, Egypt, Ethiopia, Hungary, India, Iraq, Kazakhstan, Libya, North Korea, Poland, Russia, South Yemen, Sudan, Syria, Turkmenistan, Ukraine and Vietnam)
A-7 Corsair II
Gunner wrote:Jet Aircraft (1/72):
MiG-15 - Russian / North Korean / Chinese
MiG-21 - Russian / Any
Yak-141 Freestyle - Russian Navy
F-5 Tiger II - Top Gun Agressor
Yak-38 Forger - Russian Navy
Helos (1/72):
SH-60 Seahawk - USN / USCG
HH-65 Dolphin - USCG
AH-1 Cobra
OH-6 Loach
UH-1 Huey
I'd really like to see helos in 1/72. Seen lots of helos in 1/48, but it would be nice to display then next to the vehicles and other a/c in the same scale...
supersonicfifi wrote:hello is there any website of this brand ?
and a skyraider could be nice in any scale !
hawkonevoodoo wrote:http://hobbymaster.com.hk/frameset.htmsupersonicfifi wrote:hello is there any website of this brand ?
and a skyraider could be nice in any scale !
Meskary wrote:I have one of the Stuka's and it is top notch.
My wish list....(all 1/72)
P-39 early war USA
Any Japanese Bomber Kate - Val any time period
TBD Devastator
Wildcat
(those would both go great with the Dauntless)
IL - 2
(could match up with P-39 in Soviet Colors)
JU-88
As far as military jets go I don't collect those but it is worth a shot
ME-262
HE-162
AR-234
P-80
Meskary
Waltz41 wrote:I'm usually not a fan of doing this, but for some reason I get the vibe that Hobby Master will really listen.
Prop Planes in 1/72
P-61 Black Widow (black and 1 OD would be nice)
TBM/TBF Avenger (classic tri scheme, overall sea blue, atlantic)
P-39 Airacobra (lots of cool pacific schemes, even a russian one)
A-1 Skyraider (grey, camo, navy blue)
SB2C Helldiver (tri color, atlantic, an army version in OD)
anyone of these i'd be all over and the market is there for them to be explored since no one else really has yet.
lightning2000 wrote:Hi,
I'm usually loathe to doing this too but here goes. Perhaps some of these will actually come to fruition:
Secret Weapons of the Luftwaffe
Go-229
Me 163
Natter
He-163 Volksjager
Me 410
Arado 234 bomber
V-1 buzz bomb
Japanese Secret Weapons
Cherry Blossom
I'm sure there are others...too tired to think
Mistubishi Betty bomber
US P-80 Shooting Star
Helldiver
Russian heavy bomber (forget the designation but think it was a Polikarpov)
British Blenheim bomber
That's the short list for now...
Lightning2000
www.themotorpool.net
hawkonevoodoo wrote:As we all know no company is able to make all the planes on our wishlists but hopefully this will allow them to tally the number of times each plane has been mentioned and come up with their own production priority based on these lists. I can't guarantee that by making a list that Hobby Master will make your's and my favorites but I can guarantee that if we don't express our wishes there is a good chance they won't make any.
I thank everyone who has taken the time to post. If we take the time to list I'm positive Hobby Master will take the time to read them. To top it off I check all the different forums for this topic and compile a list for them.
I know of 6 forums including this one:
The Model Hangar Forum
The Florida Diecast Aviation Forum
Diecast Aircraft Forum
E-Company Forum
Die Cast Aviation Forum in the UK
If you know of others I would appreciate you sharing them with me. It would be a great help if you would add the url.
It might be best to PM me or email me at hawkonevoodoo@yahoo.ca
Thanks
hawkonevoodoo wrote:The Mig-21 I received and reviewed, is a pre-production model so the retail version will be even better. I offer this simply as food for thought.
I'm very pleased with Hobby Master's choice of plane and the paint scheme. After seeing the weathering first hand, there definitely is no problem with it being too dark, the on line pictures do not do this wash effect justice. The panel lines definitely are not "blackened in" lines like IXO or Forces Of Valor, the wash only gives the finish a true weathered look just like you would find on a Mig-21 that has actually been in service. All the other companies could take lessons from Hobby Master on how to apply weathering properly; it is so very slight and completes the fine paint job. There is no over spray on the model I have, the overall fit and finish of the fuselage and wings is excellent, no big gaping spaces. The only thing I noticed that was missing and is on the actual plane, is the “Poznan Raven” of 3rd squadron, it should be just behind the Polish checkered emblem on the tail. The lack of this small squadron logo didn’t jump right out at me; I had to spend some time comparing the model with actual pictures. But now I’m just being picky, I had to find some sort of fault, it’s no big error but it still is missing. I don’t expect it to be on the retail version either as it doesn’t appear in any of the photos in the various forums.
As for the accessories, I really like the idea of the option to have the canopy open or closed. The clear plastic is not hazy and doesn't show any signs of crazing. The inclusion of a fairly well done pilot is a nice touch and adds to the over all package. They even took the time to include an instrument panel and joystick. The paint color of the cockpit interior is very close to that of the actual plane. The look and finish of the missiles and drop tanks is a very nice job, no little tabs of plastic that need to be removed. The wheels are free rolling and the hubs have been nicely painted the same color green as the nose cone and on the tail.
Everything is superb until I had to attach doors, missiles and drop tanks. The missiles, doors and drop tanks need to be added to the model but the fit of the accessories into their respective notches wasn’t great so I needed to use a little of the old handy dandy white glue. Hobby Master has since assured me that this has been rectified with the retail version you will receive and everything will fit snuggly into place.
For a first time release of the Mig-21 and it coming from a company just starting out, in my opinion they did an excellent job and will only get better as time goes on.
With this said, I think Hobby Master has a real winner with the Mig-21. This model makes me want to get my hands on the rest of their planes. Bring on the Stukas, Dauntless, F-104, TBM and F6F. This line up of great planes leaves me wondering what unique models they will come out with next year. I’m sure we won’t be disappointed.
supersonicfifi wrote:that seems great , do you know where can i find their products ? is there a website or some other pictures ?
great job i can t wait to have one , i don t know where to pre order but it s sure a winner item
me122172 wrote:This all sounds great!
Mig 21
hawkonevoodoo wrote:http://hobbymaster.com.hk/frameset.htmsupersonicfifi wrote:that seems great , do you know where can i find their products ? is there a website or some other pictures ?
great job i can t wait to have one , i don t know where to pre order but it s sure a winner item
The following list has no special order or preference, they are listed as I found them on line.
http://www.flyingmule.com/range/diecast ... er-series/
http://www.thebattlerhino.com/ they don't have it listed yet but I understand they will be carrying the line.
http://www.themotorpool.net/category_s/278.htm
http://wingsmodel.com/mm5/merchant.mvc? ... y_Code=HOB
http://www.forumsvibe.com/cfldiecastmod ... ecastmodel this guy is just starting out and a website is coming, he does have the Hobby Master Stuka
http://www.aplusmodel.com/?tiger=ac
http://badcattoys.stores.yahoo.net/hobbymaster.html
http://www.michtoy.com/MTSCnewSite/vehi ... aster.html
http://www.michtoy.com/MTSCnewSite/vehi ... aster.html
I hope this helps you out.