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Dragon Armor Announce Three New 1:72 Releases (July)

Posted: Fri May 20, 2011 2:52 pm
by Wrights Collectables
Hello,

I hope these are new for the US aswell, never know what is announced where and when!

DR60425 1/72nd US MARINES LVT-(A)4 IWO JIMA 1945 – Due July 2011
DR60460 1/72nd GERMAN 38cm R61 STURMTIGER GERMANY 1945 – Due July 2011
DR60507 1/72nd 1+1 US ARMY JEEP SET WW2 WITH .30 CAL MACHINE GUNS – Due July 2011

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Picture of Jeeps available if required.

Pleased to see the Sturmtiger!

Will be blogging about these in the next week, keep an eye out!

Re: Dragon Armor Announce Three New 1:72 Releases (July)

Posted: Fri May 20, 2011 3:04 pm
by Heer
Yet another sturmtiger :roll: How many has dragon armor released so far?

Re: Dragon Armor Announce Three New 1:72 Releases (July)

Posted: Fri May 20, 2011 6:07 pm
by EnemyAce
How about a freaking 3-tone camo Pz IV lang? Where's the Sturmpanzer that's been promised since right after the first Tiger was released? Really? Another Sturmtiger? Germany only built 12! And only a couple of them actually fired a shot in anger...by slaughtering Jews in Warsaw!

Ugh.

Re: Dragon Armor Announce Three New 1:72 Releases (July)

Posted: Fri May 20, 2011 7:15 pm
by aferguson
actually the '44 uprising was by the polish home army, the Jews played a relatively small part; mostly because there weren't many left by then. The Jewish uprising in Warsaw was in '43.

All Sturmtigers built were used in combat, just not in their intended roles (except for the 2 used during the Warsaw uprising). They were used during Bulge and then afterwards in defensive roles.

Re: Dragon Armor Announce Three New 1:72 Releases (July)

Posted: Fri May 20, 2011 7:50 pm
by Heer
EnemyAce wrote:How about a freaking 3-tone camo Pz IV lang? Where's the Sturmpanzer that's been promised since right after the first Tiger was released? Really? Another Sturmtiger? Germany only built 12! And only a couple of them actually fired a shot in anger...by slaughtering Jews in Warsaw!

Ugh.
Agreed. Where in the world is the brummbar, that's a pretty heavy tank as well. At least the tiger (p) is being released. But yet another sturmtiger is pretty dissapointing. :roll:

Re: Dragon Armor Announce Three New 1:72 Releases (July)

Posted: Fri May 20, 2011 10:00 pm
by EnemyAce
aferguson wrote:actually the '44 uprising was by the polish home army, the Jews played a relatively small part; mostly because there weren't many left by then. The Jewish uprising in Warsaw was in '43.

All Sturmtigers built were used in combat, just not in their intended roles (except for the 2 used during the Warsaw uprising). They were used during Bulge and then afterwards in defensive roles.

I'd be interested in hearing about any actual "combat" they engaged in outside of Warsaw. Unless by combat you mean being shipped to a front and then abandoned intact or blown w/o gas before actually getting within a 100 yards to shoot at anything.

Re: Dragon Armor Announce Three New 1:72 Releases (July)

Posted: Sat May 21, 2011 12:51 am
by Wrights Collectables
I think we can agree its a nice model though?

Supposedly one of these things knocked out 3 Shermans with one round late in the war! (http://www.achtungpanzer.com/sturmtiger ... zer-vi.htm)

Re: Dragon Armor Announce Three New 1:72 Releases (July)

Posted: Sat May 21, 2011 8:36 am
by Heer
EnemyAce wrote:
aferguson wrote:actually the '44 uprising was by the polish home army, the Jews played a relatively small part; mostly because there weren't many left by then. The Jewish uprising in Warsaw was in '43.

All Sturmtigers built were used in combat, just not in their intended roles (except for the 2 used during the Warsaw uprising). They were used during Bulge and then afterwards in defensive roles.

I'd be interested in hearing about any actual "combat" they engaged in outside of Warsaw. Unless by combat you mean being shipped to a front and then abandoned intact or blown w/o gas before actually getting within a 100 yards to shoot at anything.
The sturmtiger was developed as heavy infantry support, so that it can reduce an entire apartment complex to rubble in about 3 shots. It was not a tank destroyer, though it could destroy tanks. I would imagine that it would be used as supporting artillery in 1945. If you don't consider firing a few rounds behind enemy lines as "actual combat", then no, it did not see "actual combat".

Re: Dragon Armor Announce Three New 1:72 Releases (July)

Posted: Sat May 21, 2011 8:44 am
by aferguson
"If you don't consider firing a few rounds behind enemy lines as "actual combat"... "

If you don't then virtually no artillery pieces or self propelled artillery have seen 'actual combat'.

As a side note, this coversation prompted me to watch a documentary on the Warsaw Uprising last night on Youtube. I always get angry when i watch something about the Uprising. Stalin was such a prick.

Here's a very interesting thread on captured german armour used by the Polles during the uprising:

http://www.ww2f.com/wwii-books-publicat ... 944-a.html

Re: Dragon Armor Announce Three New 1:72 Releases (July)

Posted: Sat May 21, 2011 9:25 am
by EnemyAce
Wrights Collectables wrote:I think we can agree its a nice model though?

Supposedly one of these things knocked out 3 Shermans with one round late in the war! (http://www.achtungpanzer.com/sturmtiger ... zer-vi.htm)

Thanks for posting that! Like I said, I'd never been able to find any actual report of their use in combat outside of Poland. I once did some searching, and all the mentions of them in US records are that they were found abandoned, and nothing turned up in German records about them actually fighting, either. I'll have to see if I can dig up any more details on one blowing up three shermans at one go. The thing could only shoot once every 5 minutes or so, so I guess there'd better not be a fourth sherman!

Re: Dragon Armor Announce Three New 1:72 Releases (July)

Posted: Sat May 21, 2011 9:42 am
by the_bird
according to 2 books i have 18 were built and several where used on the western front i show several pictures of one destroyed and 2 captured examples

Re: Dragon Armor Announce Three New 1:72 Releases (July)

Posted: Sat May 21, 2011 11:16 am
by Wrights Collectables
aferguson wrote:"If you don't consider firing a few rounds behind enemy lines as "actual combat"... "

If you don't then virtually no artillery pieces or self propelled artillery have seen 'actual combat'.

As a side note, this coversation prompted me to watch a documentary on the Warsaw Uprising last night on Youtube. I always get angry when i watch something about the Uprising. Stalin was such a prick.

Here's a very interesting thread on captured german armour used by the Polles during the uprising:

http://www.ww2f.com/wwii-books-publicat ... 944-a.html

Here is a set of pictures I posted on my blog a while back, showing an SD. KFZ. 251 being used by the Poles. I agree it was a great tragedy.

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EnedmyAce - Thanks for posting that! Like I said, I'd never been able to find any actual report of their use in combat outside of Poland. I once did some searching, and all the mentions of them in US records are that they were found abandoned, and nothing turned up in German records about them actually fighting, either. I'll have to see if I can dig up any more details on one blowing up three shermans at one go. The thing could only shoot once every 5 minutes or so, so I guess there'd better not be a fourth sherman!
No problem, I was worried when I joined this forum that I may come off as "commercial". Although I sell these models on a daily basis, I think its clear I am fascinated by them and their history! Its great to have met a community that is as enthused as I am! :lol:

Re: Dragon Armor Announce Three New 1:72 Releases (July)

Posted: Sat May 21, 2011 11:28 am
by EnemyAce
the_bird wrote:according to 2 books i have 18 were built and several where used on the western front i show several pictures of one destroyed and 2 captured examples

Yes, they were defintely deployed to the western front, but the question remains what did they do there? All of the allied reports of them are of finding them abandoned w/o fuel, or blown up by the Germans so that they wouldn't be captured. If they really had engaged in some kind of direct combat with allied troops, you can be pretty sure that a lot of paperwork would have been filed about the incident. It's not like running into a sturmtiger would have been a common occurence.

To get back on my main point, it would make a lot more sense for Dragon to finally issue the Sturmpanzer IV, which was the same type of vehicle, but was actually produced by the hundreds and fought in a ton of actions from Russia to Italy to France and Germany.

Re: Dragon Armor Announce Three New 1:72 Releases (July)

Posted: Mon May 23, 2011 11:02 am
by Wrights Collectables
For those interested I just finished a blog on the "Sturmtiger".

http://www.wrightscollectables.co.uk/bl ... rmany-1945

Feel free to leave me any comments and or chip in yourself.

I have given about as much combat history as seems available following a bit of internet research, not much!