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Market Garden - Holland and finding a Windmill

Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2007 9:14 am
by Razor17019
I had an ideal for a Market Garden Diorama and was wondering if anyone knew where I might find a 1/18 close to scale Windmill?

Let me know.

Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2007 9:51 am
by tosborne3
Try Hobbylobby. The wifey and I have seen stuff like that before, if I recollect correctly. Good luck, please post some pics when you build it. By the way, search the web also, you might get lucky! :)

Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2007 10:28 am
by Quixote511
Doesn't Playmobil have one? I think I remember that it was Brad (Bracomadar) who posted pics of his when the paras came out the 1st time.

Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2007 11:54 am
by Jesse James
It's not available now, but keep your eyes peeled at Wal-Mart's Lawn & Garden section next spring. They had two different windmills foryard decoration, and both were fairly close to-scale. The buildings themselves were perfect, but the doors on both were made for a figure that would be significantly shorter for some odd reason. It's an easy fix though really, as you just cut the shape of a door the proper size and make one out of balsa wood/popsicle sticks or whatever. It'd be pretty easy to fix I'd think.

Also had lighthouses, which would work for many scenes as well.

Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2007 1:12 pm
by tankduel
Sylvanian family 'Mill on the hill'
Image

Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2007 2:18 pm
by olifant
I think at one time in the past I had seen some wooden kits and finished windmill bird feeders at Michaels or one of the other craft stores. This may be a rather easy build with plywood and I think you would get better results than with playmobile...

well..

Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2007 3:27 pm
by digger

Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2007 4:48 pm
by aferguson
that, is one big windmill. :shock:

Re: well..

Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2007 7:55 pm
by Razor17019
digger wrote:How much you willing to spend?
http://www.eurorailhobbies.com/ERH/euro ... k=PO331701
Digger,
300.00 is a little out of my price range... :shock:

I like to find that item that wasn't even thought about being used in the 1:18 XD world when it was made and transforming it's use.

Posted: Sat Oct 27, 2007 9:37 am
by King O' Fools
If you're looking for the real thing, then you should try this guy: http://www.modelmolenbouw.nl/engels.htm These are hand-crafted, so the price could be steep.

He's got some interesting pics in the Dutch version of the site: http://www.modelmolenbouw.nl/molenmodelbouw.htm

However, if you're looking for a windmill in the Arnhem region, then the usual type would be the <i>stellingmolen</i>, not the polder windmill (which is the one shown in the pictures, if I'm not mistaken).

Also, you can find construction drawings and accessories for building your own windmill here: http://www.hobby-en-modelbouw.nl/nl/dept_948.html

Hope this helps.

Posted: Sun Oct 28, 2007 2:17 pm
by grockwood
KOF I used your info and Googled the stellingmolen type of windmill. After readinfg several websites I get the impression that the stellingmolen is a grain grinding windtmill and the polder is used for water draining. Not so much a reginal type. Unless the Arnhem region doesn't have any canals or lands reclaimed from the sea, the stellingmolen might be found there. The Windmill I bought at Walmart has a few features from both but for the most part is a polder windmill. I plan to do some work on it such as add a larger walk way around it and somehow enlarge the doorway a little. The doorway currently scales out to a scale 5ft 3 in. tall opening. Once modified,I think it will look ok in a Market Garden dio.

Windmills 101: crash course in windmill technology lesson 1

Posted: Sun Oct 28, 2007 8:44 pm
by King O' Fools
grockwood wrote:KOF I used your info and Googled the stellingmolen type of windmill. After readinfg several websites I get the impression that the stellingmolen is a grain grinding windtmill and the polder is used for water draining. Not so much a reginal type. Unless the Arnhem region doesn't have any canals or lands reclaimed from the sea, the stellingmolen might be found there. The Windmill I bought at Walmart has a few features from both but for the most part is a polder windmill. I plan to do some work on it such as add a larger walk way around it and somehow enlarge the doorway a little. The doorway currently scales out to a scale 5ft 3 in. tall opening. Once modified,I think it will look ok in a Market Garden dio.
Can't say for sure. I'm no windmill expert, but I've visited a few, and, from what I gather, Dutch windmills can be classified depending on their type and function.

Now, I’d say most polder windmills are used to pump water out of the polders and most polders were traditionally located in the provinces of North/South Holland (nowadays, also in Flevoland, perhaps, which is basically a huge polder reclaimed from the Zuider Zee).

This means polder windmills have some features that are typical of this area. Conversely, you will hardly find many of these ‘polder windmills’ in other regions of the Netherlands where there are few, if any, polders.

According to <a href="http://www.mychoices.net/html/dutch_mills.html">this page</a>, polder windmills can be broadly divided into two types: the <I>buitenkruier</I> (in South Holland) and the <I>binnekruier</I> (in North Holland).

These windmills are quite similar and usually have an octogonal ground floor with wooden walls, sometimes with brickwork instead of wood, and a large thatched superstructure (which is several stories high) crowned by a rotating cap; the main difference being the way the cap and the sails are rotated (cf. <I>buitenkruier</I> vs <I>binnekruier</I>).

In my limited experience, this is what Dutch “polder windmills” look like. However, the fact that they are called “<b><i>polder</i> windmills</b>" only means this type of windmill is most frequently found on polders, but they can be found elsewhere.

On the other hand, the distinctive feature of a <I>stellingmolen</I> is the outer <I>stelling</I>, which is a wooden walkway immediately below the thatched superstructure rising several stories above ground level. This is an important difference: the sails of the stellingmolen are higher than the sails of a poldermolen (that’s why the walkway is necessary), because the wind blows freely through the polder, whereas it doesn’t through a wooded area for instance. When the sails can be reached from the ground, the windmill is called a <I>grondzeiler</I>. A stellingmolen will never, ever, be a grondzeiler.

You can search the following Dutch windmill database for the province of Gelderland (Gelders), so you can get a clearer picture of the windmills in the Arnhem area (results are in Dutch only):

http://www.molendatabase.nl/nederland/k ... Gelderland

You should expect to find more windmills of the stelling type than the polder type in the Arnhem area (though I've spotted at least one of the latter type, a grondzeiler).

Posted: Fri Nov 02, 2007 6:33 am
by newwavepop
yeah i work at wal mart and every year i think about buying one of those windwills for a diorama.
we do only carry them in the spring and summer but every year we end up clearancing them in fall.