Which will come first - the mig(s) or the '10

tpa05 · Post by **tpa05** » Thu Mar 01, 2007 9:29 pm

Yea, I know, enough about the Warthog already...however it looks like 21c did indeed listen to it's customers and produce a much requested aircraft. With this many of us are wondering (expecting) an A-10 to appear on the horizon. But here's something to consider; what other aircraft might come first? Well, not unlike the Mig-15 that came along with the F-86 (smart move 21c!) will a Mig 17/19/21 make it to the shelves along with the Phantom? It would be a smart decision (IMOA) to put the two together and I for one would pick up a couple of each if they were indeed made available.

Just a thought.

Tpa05 out.

Moth · Post by **Moth** » Thu Mar 01, 2007 9:32 pm

I really hope its the Migs

VMF115 · Post by **VMF115** » Thu Mar 01, 2007 9:35 pm

I think we will see Vietnam era mig's before we see an A-10,,,

One thing I have noticed is that 21st is operating in a historical theme between W.W.II and Vietnam I think if 21st starts to do modern ground pounders I think we will see more modern A/C.

pickelhaube · Post by **pickelhaube** » Thu Mar 01, 2007 10:01 pm

My vote A-10 before Migs.

Jericoeagle1 · Post by **Jericoeagle1** » Thu Mar 01, 2007 10:03 pm

Well of course I"m for the A-10, but I'd like to have a SU-25 Frogfoot to beat up on as well as some Russian Tanks.

VMF115 · Post by **VMF115** » Thu Mar 01, 2007 10:09 pm

Jericoeagle1 wrote:Well of course I"m for the A-10, but I'd like to have a SU-25 Frogfoot to beat up on as well as some Russian Tanks.

WE definitely need some modern stuff, and when we do see some new modern stuff, that will be The cannery in the mine, t olet us know tha tan A-10 is around the corner...just a guess

DocTodd · Post by **DocTodd** » Thu Mar 01, 2007 10:46 pm

I really want an A-10, but I bet we see a Mig 21 before that. It would be much easier plane to make and would probably be very popular.
Todd

tmanthegreat · Post by **tmanthegreat** » Fri Mar 02, 2007 12:46 am

21c could pull off a Mig-17 simply by creating new wings for the Mig-15. Yes, the horizontal stabilizers would also need to be changed, as well as some smaller details, but if they really wanted to...

chunks · Post by **chunks** » Fri Mar 02, 2007 12:52 am

21c will not do the A-10. They have the master (hence the moulds) for some time now. There has been many opportunities and much more demand.

Birddog · Post by **Birddog** » Fri Mar 02, 2007 6:08 am

I hope we see an A-10 come first.

Morian Miner · Post by **Morian Miner** » Fri Mar 02, 2007 6:34 am

I would love to see the MiGs first, but think A-10 will be first because of market potential.

As tman said, the MiG17 would be an easy turnaround, but I think if 21C wanted to really match the F4 it would be a MiG21. I don't care, give me either one.

hworth18 · Post by **hworth18** » Fri Mar 02, 2007 7:12 am

I would guess that we will see a Mig21 coming soon after the Phantom...

Gotta have an adversary, right???

tkjaer21 · Post by **tkjaer21** » Fri Mar 02, 2007 7:13 am

I'm thinking the Migs as well because we are getting the F-4 and 21C usually a dogfight opponent to go up against. Will it be the Mig 17 or Mig 21?

tkjaer21 · Post by **tkjaer21** » Fri Mar 02, 2007 8:04 am

I think that Boss Hogg really wants an A-10. Is that right?

tpa05 · Post by **tpa05** » Fri Mar 02, 2007 8:33 am

I started the thread thinking it's probably the mig as well. Again, when I get the Phantom my son and I will need something to chase around the backyard. Now the question becomes whether it's the Mig-17 or the Mig-21. The '17 was more numerous and was the aircraft used in the Showtime 100 dual(s) but the '21 is a different (and more modern) mig and so has it's qualities as well to say the least. As for building the 17, not sure how much work would need to be done to re-tool the existing mig 15 but, as mentioned earlier, it could be done.

Another option is to go the ME-109 route and build both the '17 and the '21 in every conceivable color and version ever built. I understand there were more than a few countries that purchased these in the past no?

Light.Inf.Scout · Post by **Light.Inf.Scout** » Fri Mar 02, 2007 9:56 am

Hopefully the Migs

Jericoeagle1 · Post by **Jericoeagle1** » Fri Mar 02, 2007 10:09 am

BOSS HOGG wrote:I never liked Soviet aircraft and never will. My North Korean Mig only hangs to compliment the two F86's on its tail. And note, only one Mig on my ceiling.

Bring on the A10!

Did I mention, I want an A10!

Ah, the voice of reason at last!

Jason of Admiral Toys · Post by **Jason of Admiral Toys** » Fri Mar 02, 2007 10:46 am

chunks wrote:21c will not do the A-10. They have the master (hence the moulds) for some time now. There has been many opportunities and much more demand.

I wanted to clear up a minor misconception. This is a bit off topic. But allow me to go off on a tangent as this is as good a place to mention this because it has been brought up again.

Having a master model does not mean the molds are tooled. A master model is made either by hand or CAD file. It is scanned into a computer and cut into the required shape for determining fit, function etc. This is not the same process as cutting large chunks (no pun intended) of steal or other material for the use in the injection of the production models.

A master model can cost anywhere from $300 dollars up to $25,000 dollars depending on the complexity and size. Tolling which is made from a CAD file of the master model comes later at a price between $4,000 and $200,000 depending on size and complexity.

So saying that 21st should make the model because they have a master model is not quite fair. They would still have to endure a hefty cost in tooling for the production model. Tooling takes anywhere between 45 and 90 days.

I just wanted to clear that up.
Regards,
Jason

tkjaer21 · Post by **tkjaer21** » Fri Mar 02, 2007 11:44 am

Many thanks for the insight Jason. It is really nice to have a professional give us insight and just everyday comment on the hobby.

Light.Inf.Scout · Post by **Light.Inf.Scout** » Fri Mar 02, 2007 11:48 am

My migs will shoot down your A 10's! LOL

Jericoeagle1 · Post by **Jericoeagle1** » Fri Mar 02, 2007 5:26 pm

Light.Inf.Scout wrote:My migs will shoot down your A 10's! LOL

I wonder why they haven't been able to so far?

chunks · Post by **chunks** » Fri Mar 02, 2007 7:02 pm

Thanks Jason for the correction. I actually knew that moulds are made from the master, not the other way around, but failed to apply that. A classic case of "hoof-in-mouth" disease. It's such things that make this a worthwhile board.

KAMIKAZE · Post by **KAMIKAZE** » Fri Mar 02, 2007 8:29 pm

As much as I like the Warthog, I would rather have something for the Phantom to fight with. A Mig-21 would be a better choice.

Mark

VMF115 · Post by **VMF115** » Fri Mar 02, 2007 9:48 pm

Thanks Jason for that Info that’s what I thought; I have talked to other companies that make plastic injection parts and that’s what they pretty much said.

I would not be surprised if 21st had some sort of automation process to make plastic prototypes.