What Panzer IV Variant would you like to See ?

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What Panzer variant would you like to see ?

1. Ostwind
3
10%
2. Kugelblitz
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7%
3. Nashorn
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79%
4. Other
1
3%
 
Total votes: 29

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What Panzer IV Variant would you like to See ?

Post by pickelhaube » Tue Mar 08, 2011 7:10 am

It is mardis Gras and I am hanging out not quite ready to go out to the XD Salt Mine.

So when I am killing time what to do ?

ANOTHER POLL !!!!!!

What Panzer IV variant would you like to see ?

Ostwind est price $125

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Kugelblitz est price $85

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Nashrorn est price $ 200-

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Other ?
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Post by flyboy_fx » Tue Mar 08, 2011 7:28 am

Nashorns and Jagdpanzers are fun!!! :D
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Post by tmanthegreat » Tue Mar 08, 2011 9:12 am

I rather like the Nashorn, but for something not on the list, would you consider a Stug IV? We've got a shortage of Stugs of any variant in 1:18 and those were the most-produced of any German tank (well, at least the Stug III was :wink: ) A Stug IV could be done as a complete top shell and grafted onto the bottom shell of one of those Chinese 1:18 Panzer IV knock-off tanks that are easily available. Then there's also the Jagdpanzer IV which could be made in similar fashion...

Just a thought 8)
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Post by aferguson » Tue Mar 08, 2011 9:42 am

none of the above.

Hummel, Brummbar and Jagdpanzer IV.....a Mobelwagen would be nice too.
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Post by Jnewboy » Tue Mar 08, 2011 10:02 am

aferguson wrote:none of the above.

Hummel, Brummbar and Jagdpanzer IV.....a Mobelwagen would be nice too.
If you do the Nashorn, the Hummel is a no brainer, and visa versa...

The hun already made a Jagdpanzer IV kit

I do love me a Mobelwagen, no doubt, you already made the quad 20mm so I think its an easy one for you pickel. Plus if you are going to make the Ostwind you will have to make the 37mm gun anyway so really you could offer the Mobelwagen with either gun, both are authentic.
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Post by aferguson » Tue Mar 08, 2011 10:15 am

the flakvierling is no good for the mobelwagen. Only one prototype had it. Most other mobels had 37mm guns. But it's time PH made a 37mm gun anyway. Lots of uses for it.

The problem wth a mobelwagen conversion is the upper hull of the panzer iv is cut away. A tricky mod.
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Post by ram04 » Tue Mar 08, 2011 11:54 am

I tend to lean towards the Nashorn. Pickelhaube, what is the scale of the Nashorn you are showing, I'm guessing 1/35?

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Post by pickelhaube » Tue Mar 08, 2011 12:20 pm

ram04 wrote:I tend to lean towards the Nashorn. Pickelhaube, what is the scale of the Nashorn you are showing, I'm guessing 1/35?

Yes that is 1/35 scale.

The Hun did a Stug and Gary 1930 did a Brumbar.

I feel that I could do a good rendition of each but they have been done.

That 38 mm is long overdo. It could stand by itself put on a back of a Sdkfz 251 and mounted in a Panzer.

I was hoping for more votes on the kugle of all the things in the poll , that would be the easest ( and cheapest ) to do. :wink:

As far as the Stug and Brumbar are concered , if there is a demand for me to do it. I will .

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Post by flyboy_fx » Tue Mar 08, 2011 1:56 pm

I guess the kugleblitz is just too rare for my tastes. Very cool though! 8)
PH, I would kill to see you do some more affordable small weapons.
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Post by aferguson » Tue Mar 08, 2011 2:11 pm

the 37mm was not mounted on the 251. The chassis wasn't strong enough to take its weight plus the recoil. It was the sdkfz 7/2 that munted the 37mm. Plus the mobelwagen, ostwind. It can also be a stand alone gun. So you'd get lots of use out of one.
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Post by Threetoughtrucks » Tue Mar 08, 2011 2:30 pm

Am I missing something? The SdKfz 251 did successfully mount the 37mm gun, the 75mm short barrel and the 75mm long barrels. I don't understand the comment that the SdKfz 251 could not take the weight and the recoil of a 37mm gun??

BTW - I voted for the Nashhorn, a great piece with a fierce reputation.

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Post by PanzerArm » Tue Mar 08, 2011 2:36 pm

I believe he is referring to the 37mm Flak 43, not the 37mm Pak 36/37 you are referring to.

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Post by aferguson » Tue Mar 08, 2011 4:51 pm

yes i was referring to the flak 37mm....i hadn't even thought of the pak 36. Sorry for the confusion. The flak gun was too large and heavy for the sdkfz 251.
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Post by pickelhaube » Tue Mar 08, 2011 10:20 pm

I remember seeing a T-34 turret mounted on a 251.

Didn't the Germans also put a T-34 turret on a Panzer IV ? I think I remember seeing a pic of one way back when.

Does anybody know if this was done or can retrieve the pic ?

Here is a German flak gun mounted on a T-34
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Post by Fritzkrieg » Wed Mar 09, 2011 6:24 am

I put in my vote for the Nashrorn, I have a couple of Panzer IV waiting for conversions, the Stug is also on my short list.

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Post by gary1930 » Wed Mar 09, 2011 7:38 am

pickelhaube wrote: The Hun did a Stug and Gary 1930 did a Brumbar.
I also did a one-off Stug IV, but somebody made me an offer I couldn't refuse.

The Brumbar was also one-off, but I could do a kit if there is enough interest.

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I have sold several laser-cut kits of the Jagdpanzer IV L-70, and could produce more:

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I started doing a Nashorn, but don't have the skills to cast the gun. I can supply the laser-cut superstructure at a later date:

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Post by pickelhaube » Wed Mar 09, 2011 7:58 am

gary1930 wrote:
pickelhaube wrote: The Hun did a Stug and Gary 1930 did a Brumbar.
I also did a one-off Stug IV, but somebody made me an offer I couldn't refuse.

The Brumbar was also one-off, but I could do a kit if there is enough interest.

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I have sold several laser-cut kits of the Jagdpanzer IV L-70, and could produce more:

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I started doing a Nashorn, but don't have the skills to cast the gun. I can supply the laser-cut superstructure at a later date:

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I thought that you went into production with the Brumbar.

I guess it would be OK to have put that in the poll then.

The Nashorn would be a lot of work to do .I think the whole entire top hull will have to be scrapped.
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Post by Jnewboy » Wed Mar 09, 2011 10:28 am

Remember guys its not just the upper surface, if you are going to tackle the nashorn or the hummel you also must stretch the rear of the chassis.

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I circled the start of the extension piece, you can see it in this pic, the bottom has a sharp upward angle.

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Post by Jnewboy » Wed Mar 09, 2011 10:38 am

pickelhaube wrote:I remember seeing a T-34 turret mounted on a 251.

Didn't the Germans also put a T-34 turret on a Panzer IV ? I think I remember seeing a pic of one way back when.

Does anybody know if this was done or can retrieve the pic ?

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Post by normandy » Wed Mar 09, 2011 2:44 pm

I like all 3 choices but I went with the Kugelblitz. It looks cool and at an estimated price of $85...... thats not bad.
Oustwind and Nashrorn/Hummel are right up there as well.
One way around the chassis extension is to call it a prototype :) ..... that saw action. :wink: There is a photo in Chamberlin and Doyle's Encyclopedia of German Tanks, page 109 plate337 of a Hummel built on a standard Panzer IV chassis. I think that would be the way to go, otherwise you'd also have to extend the tracks. :x

I'm currently working on a Stug IV, just started cutting up one of those RC "Panzer Like" Panzer Iv's on Saturday.
I'd also like to do a custom of a Panzer Selbstfahrlafette IVa....
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...like the Kugelblitz only two were made but they saw combat.

Well Pickel there are plenty of Panzer IV variants to keep you busy for a while.

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Post by aferguson » Wed Mar 09, 2011 4:46 pm

agreed, no need to extend the chassis on the Hummel. It's not worth the effort. It will look just fine.
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Post by ram04 » Wed Mar 09, 2011 5:37 pm

It would be fine with me on the standard chassis, I'm for sure not a rivet counter, not that there is anything wrong with doing so, my skill level probably would'nt allow me to hack the whole tank up :D

By the way, that 88 on the panzer is cool, Jnewboy.

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Post by pickelhaube » Wed Mar 09, 2011 5:58 pm

I think scale ion the " stretch " would only be about 1/8th of an inch. Considering hull work and making the tracks longer .

Forget about it.

The 21st Tiger tank is 3/8 of an inch too wide. I think that I am the only guy on the planrt who caught the error.

So 1/8th of an inch too short she will be. :wink:
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Post by paulpratt » Thu Mar 10, 2011 10:49 am

Kugelblitz ,100%. The least amount of work for the least amount of money on the most interesting subject of the lot. I've even got the dragon 1/35 model if you need it.
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Post by Jnewboy » Fri Mar 11, 2011 11:00 am

pickelhaube wrote:I think scale ion the " stretch " would only be about 1/8th of an inch. Considering hull work and making the tracks longer .

Forget about it.

The 21st Tiger tank is 3/8 of an inch too wide. I think that I am the only guy on the planrt who caught the error.

So 1/8th of an inch too short she will be. :wink:

You would not have to make the tracks longer. The drive live and all that was not changed, the rear idler wheel stays in the same spot, its kinda an optical illusion. One would just have to cut off the rear end and build a triangle shaped three sided box and slap it on the rear and then reattach the rear wheels.

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