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Post by tmanthegreat » Mon Jan 25, 2010 12:15 pm

supersonicfifi2 wrote:At first the FRENCH PEOPLE wanted EVRYBODY to speak FRENCH but something went wrong somewhere, sometime ! :lol:
Yes... first France lost the Seven Years War to the English in 1763, then they had their revolution in 1789, then Napolelon was defeated in 1815, assuring English dominance, and I won't even get into the 20th century! Also the fact that France helped a certain English-speaking country gain its independence and eventually become a world power also sealed the demise of French as the international "lingua franca" (pardon the pun :wink: )
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Post by pickelhaube » Mon Jan 25, 2010 12:26 pm

If you guys don't mind I think that I will weigh in on this.

In the past I have had a good / not so good relationship with Skywork Toys.

We have since burried the hatchet .

This lotto idea I think is a good one. But rules are rules.

I was told on a few occations when I first got on the forum that I could not Buy Sell Trade.That did kind of irk me but "rules are rules "

However Military Toys has been a long standing member of this forum .

I think that if they pull this lotto under their wing this will fly.It is a pretty neat idea and if they cover it everybody will be happy and there should be no concerns on fairness.

There are other newbees on this forum who are biting at the bit to BST and they are waiting their 6 months.

As far as broken English , that is a bit harsh. I have known Jack for a while. He types the way he talks . He is an old school Polish Craftsman and is very good at what he does.

There are actually a lot of Polish craftsmaen here in the NOLA area. They all talk the same and they are all very good at what they do.

I am not the moderator on this forum. But if Military Toys is willing to take over or cover this lotto that would make everybody happy and there should be no feelings hurt.

My 2 cents.

As far as the boken English is concered at least Jack knows how to spell. I have struggled with spelling all of my life and thank you guys for not slaming me.

I think this is a cool idea. But I never win at anything.
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Post by pokeyjtc » Mon Jan 25, 2010 12:50 pm

Guys,
Let me be clear about the broken English comment. I have no problem with broken English. I understand that some of our board members do not speak English as their primary language. They do their best to speak English so that they can participate in this forum.

My concern was the combination of broken English and asking for people to send them money. Based on my experiences with phishing scams that I get on a regular basis, bad English plus asking for money is a big red flag and is definitely a scam. This is all that I was implying with my comment on the bad English. Now that most of the questions have been answered, I would have to say that this sounds legit. I hope that this clears things up. I apologize if I offeneded anyone with my comment.

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Post by SkyWorksToys » Mon Jan 25, 2010 1:05 pm

pickelhaube wrote:If you guys don't mind I think that I will weigh in on this.

In the past I have had a good / not so good relationship with Skywork Toys.

We have since burried the hatchet .

This lotto idea I think is a good one. But rules are rules.

I was told on a few occations when I first got on the forum that I could not Buy Sell Trade.That did kind of irk me but "rules are rules "

However Military Toys has been a long standing member of this forum .

I think that if they pull this lotto under their wing this will fly.It is a pretty neat idea and if they cover it everybody will be happy and there should be no concerns on fairness.

There are other newbees on this forum who are biting at the bit to BST and they are waiting their 6 months.

As far as broken English , that is a bit harsh. I have known Jack for a while. He types the way he talks . He is an old school Polish Craftsman and is very good at what he does.

There are actually a lot of Polish craftsmaen here in the NOLA area. They all talk the same and they are all very good at what they do.

I am not the moderator on this forum. But if Military Toys is willing to take over or cover this lotto that would make everybody happy and there should be no feelings hurt.

My 2 cents.

As far as the boken English is concered at least Jack knows how to spell. I have struggled with spelling all of my life and thank you guys for not slaming me.


I think this is a cool idea. But I never win at anything.


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Thanks Matt two things however
1 my mom is French my father German I was born in Detroit how this makes me Polish I think it was Donyboy who said I'm Polish first ,I spend some time in Poland amongst other European country's where I went to school
Second rules are there to protect from unknown schmuck coming in and messing stuff up ,I think everybody knows who I em and what my company is, I sold hundreds of models to board members, I wonder If JSI come and try to do lottery for you you will say no rules are rules and they are after all newcomer compare to me.

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Post by cardenas » Mon Jan 25, 2010 1:18 pm

I don't think it's fair, what if us "rookies" wanted to get in on this lotto? I haven't been here anywhere near 6 months, so that means we can't participate. I have seen very great deals here, but I can't B/S/T for the 6 months probation period. I think I, like everyone has to go by the rules set by the board admin. Well I guess I'm just venting, since my words don't hold much weight being new here.

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Post by vmf214 » Mon Jan 25, 2010 2:01 pm

I don't have a problem with his lottery, not like we don't know who he is. Guy trying to do something cool and gets kicked in the teeth. :roll:

If he was some dude that no one knew from Adam, has never dealt with, or whatever, then yeah I'd agree was a bad idea but with the amount of customers he has here plus the fact a major etailer vouched for him, has a website and proven sales track record on ebay, is good enough for me. Just my 2 cents. Scorn if you must.

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Post by Airacobra » Mon Jan 25, 2010 2:06 pm

I'm in for $10.

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Post by toyktdlgh » Mon Jan 25, 2010 2:07 pm

I think we are all used to the free giveaways that happen every once and a while from over generous board members. :wink: It is only 10 bucks so if you’re feeling lucky I guess you can go for it. If you’re worried about it then don’t. I can say I certainly have lost a hell of a lot more money doing dumber things in the past. :shock: Very nice looking bird by the way. I wish we could see some more photos. :wink:
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Post by NWarty » Mon Jan 25, 2010 2:07 pm

214,
Whadaya mean kicked in the teeth? These are legitimate concerns about Jack's lottery since it involves $$$$$$. So 55 participants at $10 a piece, come on' dude, I think they're fair questions. But I do like Jack's idea and the support he is getting from Isiah and MTS.

I won't be participating. Not that Jack's idea isn't cool, it's just that I've hated the Black Bunny F-14 paintscheme with a passion since the first time I saw her back in the 1980's. :wink:
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Post by Airacobra » Mon Jan 25, 2010 2:08 pm

I'm in for $10.

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Post by vmf214 » Mon Jan 25, 2010 2:37 pm

NWarty wrote:214,
Whadaya mean kicked in the teeth? These are legitimate concerns about Jack's lottery since it involves $$$$$$. So 55 participants at $10 a piece, come on' dude, I think they're fair questions. But I do like Jack's idea and the support he is getting from Isiah and MTS.

I won't be participating. Not that Jack's idea isn't cool, it's just that I've hated the Black Bunny F-14 paintscheme with a passion since the first time I saw her back in the 1980's. :wink:
Just what I mean. He's not some unknown no one has ever heard of.

Besides he already stated he's willing to let MTS run it so what's the continued concern? He didn't have to tell anyone he bumped the raffle up 20 lots.
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Post by chunks » Mon Jan 25, 2010 2:39 pm

I of course won't be joining in this lottery. The most sincerest good luck to all that have or will. The only thing that I'll comment on is that the rules for this lottery have already changed once since interest has been shown. The original limit was 35 people. After several folks indicated interest the original post was edited to 55 folks. To me, what else might change and how will we know it.

Like I said I won't be joining in this.
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Post by toyktdlgh » Mon Jan 25, 2010 5:17 pm

chunks wrote:I of course won't be joining in this lottery. The most sincerest good luck to all that have or will. The only thing that I'll comment on is that the rules for this lottery have already changed once since interest has been shown. The original limit was 35 people. After several folks indicated interest the original post was edited to 55 folks. To me, what else might change and how will we know it.

Like I said I won't be joining in this.
That was the same issue I had. I thought it was a great idea I just didn’t like it when I saw the change. I agree he does not have to tell anyone that he is changing it since most of us can remember what it was that we originally saw. Hopefully it won’t change again for those that are planning to buy in. :wink:

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Post by Stug45 » Mon Jan 25, 2010 6:59 pm

I declare shenanigans.
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Post by RA5BS » Mon Jan 25, 2010 8:09 pm

Three words: ebay, ebay, ebay...
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Post by Dauntless » Mon Jan 25, 2010 9:03 pm

Can 'o' worms

Think I'll just sit this one out..
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Post by trex0770 » Tue Jan 26, 2010 1:07 am

Count me in Jack!

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Post by supersonicfifi » Tue Jan 26, 2010 2:01 am

As earlier stated i am in !!!! I am back with my former account ! so i take two tickets : one for supersonicfifi and one for supersonicfifi2 :lol:

This lottery is a SUPER GREAT idea !!!!!!

Let's consider SKYWORKS as a regular manufacturer and not a new member !

Please do not deter good willingness and happy people on this forum ! :D

HAVE FUN THIS IS A TOY !
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Post by CW4USARMY » Tue Jan 26, 2010 6:06 am

I like the lottery idea, and will probably sign up. But, since when is making an almost 100% profit "a good thing" for all of us. Now donating the proceeds to charity, that is a doing a good thing. If I raffle off a MIB F-16 I have for 10.00 a ticket to 55 people, am I doing a "good thing" for everyone too? ;-)
If so, call me nice and lets get started :-)


Again, I support the lottery idea, but lets not pretend its anything more than a money making venture by the seller (which I whole-heartedly support as a firm believer of capitalism!)

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Post by cranedriver » Tue Jan 26, 2010 8:57 am

Can of Worms here guys. If this raffle/lottery takes place then there will certainly be more due to the popularity of such a thing. If this were for non-profit or charity it would be a different story but it is not amd there is no way to regulate the game.

Nothin against Jack and Skyworks or Military Toy Shop it seems like they are kinda bullyin this through.

So hate to rain on the parade here but read below and then we can let our forum hierarchy decide if they want this site to go down this road.

Article from: http://www.gambling-law-us.com/Federal ... ng-ban.htm


Overview

The Unlawful Internet Gambling Enforcement Act of 2006 (the "Act") enacted into law at 10 a.m. ET on Friday October 13, 2006. The Act adds the following provisions to the money and finance provisions of Title 31 of the United States Code

SUBCHAPTER IV - PROHIBITION ON FUNDING OF UNLAWFUL INTERNET GAMBLING

5361. Congressional findings and purpose

5362. Definitions

5363. Prohibition on acceptance of any financial instrument for unlawful Internet gambling

5364. Policies and procedures to identify and prevent restricted transactions

5365. Civil remedies

5366. Criminal penalties

5367. Circumventions prohibited

Section 5363 bans and and Section 5366 criminalizes the acceptance of funds from bettors by operators of most online gambling Websites. The operators affected are those who:

(1) being engaged in the business of betting or wagering

(2) knowingly accept

(3) proceeds from credit cards, electronic fund transfers and checks<

(4) in connection with with the participation of a bettor

(5) in unlawful Internet gambling, which is the sponsorship of online gambling that violates any other federal or state anti-gambling law..

The ban and criminal provisions become effective immediately on enactment.

Mere participation in online betting or wagering is not banned or criminalized by the Act.

Section 5364 requires financial institutions to adopt procedures and policies designed to block the flow of prohibited funding to the operators of the affected online gambling Websites. This provision does not become mandatorily effective until the federal regulators adopt implementing regulations. The Act allows the regulators 270 days (about July 2007) to write and adopt the regulations.

Section 5365 gives federal and state attorneys general the power to seek civil remedies to help enforce the other provisions of the Act. The remedies include ordering an Internet service provider to remove access to the Website of an operator who violates Section 5363 or other Websites that contain hyperlinks to such sites. Such remedies may only be sought as to Websites that are hosted by the particular Internet service provider.

Bets and Wagers

Section 5363 does not make it illegal for a mere player to make bets or wagers. Rather, the Act applies only to those involved in the business of betting or wagering. Section 5262 defines a bet :

as the staking or risking of property in order to win something of value based on the outcome of:
a contest of others
a sporting event, or
a game subject to chance
the purchase of a chance to win a lottery or other prize the award of which is predominantly subject to chance
the making of a wager prohibited under the Professional and Amateur Sports Protection Act, or
as including "any instructions or information pertaining to the establishment or movement of funds by the bettor or customer in, to, or from an account with the business of betting or wagering."
Some commentators have argued that the operation of online poker Websites should be excluded from the reach of the new law because poker, being a skillful game, is not a game of chance. Under current state law that argument does not hold water. Most U.S. jurisdictions apply the Dominant Factor test to determine if a contest is a game of skill or a game of chance. That test looks to which elements predominate (51%) in determining outcome of the game. If the elements of chance predominate, then it is a game of chance, notwithstanding that skill elements are important, but not predominant. Furthermore, the outcome is to be determined by the considering the nature of the game and the abilities of the average player coming to the game. See: Is Poker a Game of Skill? Online poker operators should consider mathematical analysis of their vast data bases of poker results to support attempts to overturn the case law that views the "luck of the draw" aspect of poker as resulting in its being a game of chance.

Excluded from the definition of "bet" are:

various business transactions like securities and commodities trading and insurance policies
participation in online games with no pay-to-play aspect and where the prizes are limited to free play of various games and
certain fantasy sports contests
Conducting Unlawful Internet Gambling

Unlawful Internet gambling is defined as:

placing, receiving or transmitting a bet
by means of the Internet
but only if that bet is unlawful under any other federal or state law applicable in the place where the bet is initiated, received or otherwise made.
excluded from the coverage of "unlawful Internet gambling" are
waypoints along the World Wide Web that are only incidental to the places where the electronic transmission of the bet or wager is initiated and finally received.
online bets made solely within a single state under an enabling statute passed by that state. [Note: there are no such enabling laws at this time.]
online bets made solely on or among Indian tribal lands under enabling laws adopted by the affected tribes and approved by the National Indian Gaming Commission. [Note: no such laws have been adopted or approved at this time.]

online bets made under the Interstate Horseracing Act. [Note: online interstate bets on horse races where such bets are legal at both ends of the online connection have been permitted under that law since 2000.]
The new law, therefore, only applies to online gambling operators who violate other existing state or federal anti-gambling laws. Some commentators on this aspect of the Act conclude that since there are only a handful of states that expressly ban Internet gambling, this law has not accomplished very much.

The better view is that all of the online gambling sportsbooks, casinos and cardrooms violate existing anti-gambling laws of every one of the fifty states. This is because:

The gambling is legally deemed to take place simultaneously at both ends of the Internet connection.
Under applicable state laws these interactive online gambling Websites are deemed to be doing business in the states in which the players are located when they make a bet.
The general anti-gambling laws of every state criminalize the operation of unlicensed gambling like the sportsbooks, casinos and cardrooms that are covered by the new law.
Thus, this professional form of unlicensed gambling appears to be illegal whether or not the state has adopted a specific Internet anti-gambling law.

Accepting Funds for Betting Banned

Section 5363 contains the basic prohibition of the new law. It bans online gambling operators from accepting most forms of funds to be used by the players to gamble on their Websites. The ban applies to:

"(1) credit, or the proceeds of credit, extended to or on behalf of such other person (including credit extended through the use of a credit card);
"(2) an electronic fund transfer, or funds transmitted by or through a money transmitting business, or the proceeds of an electronic fund transfer or money transmitting service, from or on behalf of such other person;
"(3) any check, draft, or similar instrument which is drawn by or on behalf of such other person and is drawn on or payable at or through any financial institution; or
"(4) the proceeds of any other form of financial transaction, as the Secretary [of the Treasury] and the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System may jointly prescribe by regulation, which involves a financial institution as a payor or financial intermediary on be half of or for the benefit of such other person."

Funds accepted under paragraphs (2), (3) and (4) must be paid by or drawn on a "financial institution." That term is defined by reference to Section 1693a of the Electronic Fund Transfer Act, and "means a State or National bank, a State or Federal savings and loan association, a mutual savings bank, a State or Federal credit union, or any other person who, directly or indirectly, holds an account belonging to a consumer." (Emphasis supplied.)

Some commentators have expressed the view that operators can avoid the application of the ban by accepting funds only through online financial intermediary e-wallets like NETeller and FirePay. The commentators reason that those intermediaries are located offshore, are not "financial institutions" and are not subject to direct regulation by the Federal Reserve Board ("Fed") or other U.S. governmental agencies.

The commentators are wrong. Section 5362(4) defines "financial transaction provider" to include any "...international ...payment network utilized to effect ... electronic fund transfer[s]..."

If that were not enough to grant the Fed power to impose include NETeller, et al, in its regulations, the Act also grants regulatory and enforcement powers to the Fed and the Federal Trade Commission ("FTC"). The FTC's enforcement authority specifically applies to financial transaction providers not otherwise subject to the jurisdiction of any Federal functional regulators. The Fed's regulatory power also includes the authority to adopt policies and procedures designed to prevent the acceptance of financial transactions prohibited by Section 5363.

It is a legal maxim that a law cannot be circumvented by doing indirectly that which cannot be done directly. If it appears to the Fed or the FTC that these financial intermediaries serve primarily as conduits for transmitting funds to online gambling operators, then either one of them could adopt regulations or seek enforcement sanctions effectively banning U.S. financial institutions from dealing with those intermediaries except on stated conditions designed to prohibit the intermediary from retransmitting the funds to online gambling operators.

In its interim financial report for the six months ended June 30, 2006, NETeller admits that 85% of its business is from U.S. residents. The report also says: "The first half of 2006 represented another period of continued growth and progress in line with our 'deepen and extend' strategy despite regulatory developments affecting our main market, the online gaming industry." On the basis of those facts, the Fed could well find that NETeller is primarily a conduit for the transmission of funds to the online gambling operators.

Those who log onto NETeller for the first time starting October 10, 2006, are greeted with a message announcing a change in that e-wallet company's customer terms and conditions. The following provision in paragraph 12.1(ii) is new (at least since March 31, 2005, which is the last time that NETeller permitted the Wayback Machine to record its old pages): "12.1 You are prohibited from engaging in any of the following: ... (ii) using the NETELLER Service for any purpose contrary to laws, statutes or regulations applicable to you, including without limitation, those concerning money laundering, fraud, criminal activity, financial services or consumer protection ..." Presumably this new provision applies to both players and the operators of online gambling Websites, since both are customers of NETeller.

Neteller has announced: "The Company expects to have a clearer view of how financial services companies can comply and any possible resulting impact on its business as the regulations are drafted in the 270 days following the signing of the Act. In the meantime, the Company will continue to operate its business to minimise any potential adverse impact, maintaining existing customer and merchant support across all the markets it currently serves.

On October 19, 2006, NETeller issued a further press release conceding that it will comply with the Act. It said:

NETELLER, a company registered outside the US, will comply with the Act and its related regulations as if it were subject to the Act's jurisdiction. This action is intended to ensure that the Company is able to continue to operate with the support of its principal commercial partners and to protect its shareholders, business partners, employees and reputation.

Various provisions of the Act, including the obligations of financial transaction providers such as NETELLER, remain unclear. This uncertainty should be largely resolved when the Secretary of the Treasury and the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System issue the regulations they are required to prescribe within 270 days.

On October 10, 2006, Fireone, the parent of the second leading e-wallet said: “The Company today announces that following the approval of the Act by the President of the United States, it will immediately cease to process settlement transactions originating from United States consumers that may be viewed as being related to online gambling. The Company expects the Act to be approved by the President of the United States in the immediate near term.”

Fed Regulations

Section 5364 mandates that the Federal Reserve Board and the Secretary of the Treasury issue "appropriate" regulations designed to identify and block the transfer of funds to the online gambling operators from U.S. financial institutions. The regulators are given nine months to put these regulations in place. Once the regulations are issued U.S. financial institutions will be required to comply with them.

The regulators are given the authority to "exempt certain transactions or designated systems from any requirement imposed ... if ...it is not reasonably practicable to identify and block, or otherwise prevent or prohibit the acceptance of such transactions." Sec 5364(b)(3). This provision was beefed up in the final version of the legislation in consideration of the views expressed by the banking industry that it would be impracticable, if not impossible, to block certain transactions, such as paper checks. See, for example, the letter from the Independent Community Bankers Association before Note: Even though U.S. financial institutions may not become obligated to block paper checks or certain other financial instruments, the acceptance of those items by the online gambling operators is still prohibited and criminalized under Sections 5363 and 5366.

The regulators are also mandated to "ensure that transactions in connection with any activity excluded fro the definition of unlawful internet gambling ... are not blocked... by the prescribed regulations. Section 5364(b)(4). In a summary of the new law the Independent Community Bankers Association states: "It will be difficult to craft and comply with this requirement. Procedures would have to discern the difference between legal and illegal forms of Internet gambling, which may depend on the exact location of the individual gambler. This goes well beyond what banks are required to do to root out terrorist financing and money laundering. However, financial institutions are shielded from liability for inadvertently blocking legal transactions." (Emphasis supplied.)

Criminal Penalties
Section 5366 imposes criminal penalties for accepting funds banned under Section 5363. The penalties include fines and jail time of up to 5 years. They also permit a court to enter permanent injunctions barring convicted violators from "making bets or wager or sending, receiving, or inviting information assisting in the placing of bet or wagers."

The new law did not amend, update or otherwise change the Wire Wager Act. This has been seized on by some commentators to reach the conclusion that operating an online casino or cardroom has not been criminalized. That view is irrelevant and a non sequitur. The new law is specifically applicable to all operators of online sportsbooks, casinos and cardrooms who accept bets and wagers in violation of any applicable state or federal anti-gambling law. It provides more severe criminal penalties than currently provided under the Wire Wager Act. Therefore, the new law is to be feared as much or more than the Wire Wager Act.

Obligations of U.S. Financial Institutions

Financial institutions and money transmitting businesses, like Western Union, ("financial transaction providers") are not subject to any liability if they rely on and comply with the regulations adopted by the federal regulators. Financial transaction providers are not liable to a customer for blocking a transaction in accordance with the regulations. Section 5364(d).


Obligations of Internet Service Providers

An Internet service provider ("ISP") such as AOL, Comcast.net or Verizon.net, is subject to civil enforcement proceedings brought by a federal or state attorney general to force it disable access to the online gambling Website or to other Websites that have a hypertext link to the online gambling Website. Section 5365(c). The ISP against whom the relief is to be sought must be the actual host of the offending Website. Since all of the current online gambling websites are hosted by ISPs outside the U.S., and thus beyond the jurisdiction of the U.S. courts, this provision is basically only applicable to affiliates of online gambling sites. It is very easy for such affiliates to transfer their Websites outside the U.S. to avoid being removed from the World Wide Web. Finally, no ISP is required to monitor its service or to affirmatively try to track down any activity by its customers that might be in violation of the Act.

Aider and Abettor Liability

The federal aider and abettor statute, 18 U.S.C. 2, provides:

"(a) Whoever commits an offense against the United States or aids, abets, counsels, commands, induces or procures its commission, is punishable as a principal.
(b) Whoever willfully causes an act to be done which if directly performed by him or another would be an offense against the United States, is punishable as a principal."

The criminal provision of Section 5366 creates a new "offense against the United States." All those who aid or abet an online gambling website that is in violation of Section 5363, and thus of Section 5366, are punishable as if they were the online gambling Website. The same goes for those who are employees and officers. In appropriate cases this "punishable as a principal" law may also ensnare directors, major shareholders, advertising media, affiliates and those who are so-called consultants, team members or front men for the online gambling Websites.

Sampling of Responses to the New Law

A commentator for BettingMarket.com concluded:

"It is now widely believed that when the Unlawful Internet Gambling Enforcement Act of 2006 is signed into law, all but the most cavalier of online operators will stop accepting bets from US citizens.

"The notion that a number of the leading companies, may then decide to hang around in the US, exploiting opt out clauses in the Act, simply beggars belief.

"Until the climate changes, the best advice would be to give the US a wide bearth once and for all. To do otherwise would be to antagonise the US authorities, and to further increase the risk of arrest. And that is something that beleagured ordinary investors can live without."

Jeff Simpson, the business editor of the Las Vegas Sun expressed this conclusion: f the poker community keeps whistling past the graveyard, pretending that there's nothing wrong with flouting the law in pursuit of easy money, even tougher crackdowns are ahead.

In a press release, PartyGaming, the parent of PartyPoker.com said:

"The Act is expected to be signed into law by President Bush within the next two weeks.... t will immediately make unlawful the receipt by a gambling business of proceeds or monies in
connection with unlawful internet gambling. The Act does not clarify the definition of unlawful gambling.
However, as the first piece of Federal legislation dealing explicitly with internet gaming, it does make
clear that the US government intends to stop the flow of funds from Americans to online gaming
operators through criminal sanction. The Act also asserts that, under US law, a wager must be permitted
under the laws both of the customer’s place of residence and that of the operator.

"After taking extensive legal advice, the Board of PartyGaming Plc has concluded that the new legislation,
if signed into law, will make it practically impossible to provide US residents with access to its real money
poker and other real money gaming sites. As a result of this development, the Board of PartyGaming
has determined that if the President signs the Act into law, the Company will suspend all real money
gaming business with US residents, and such suspension will continue indefinitely, subject to clarification
of the interpretation and enforcement of US law and the impact on financial institutions of this and other
related legislation...."

Echoing that conclusion, publicly-held 888.com, has announced that once the Act is signed into law it will no longer allow U.S. residents to play on its real money sites at Casino-on-Net and Pacific Poker. SportingBet has announced that its online porker room, Paradise Poker will stop taking U.S. bets on October 13.

Here is a statement made by Jeffrey Pollock, Harrah's vice president of sports and entertainment marketing and its World Series of Poker Commissioner: "I honestly haven't spent much time thinking about what the (poker) dot-coms do or don't do because we're not in business with them.... First of all, we do not accept money from any dot-com site. If an individual is registered by a third party, that third party signs an affidavit saying the funds did not come from illegal sources. So we are not in business with dot-com sites." Surely that remark is breathtakingly disingenuous. Something approaching half of the $88,000,000 in entry fees Harrah's took in for the championship event at the 2006 World Series of Poker came from the dot.com online poker cardrooms. The payments were thinly disguised as coming from advertising agencies for those dot.com sites or from the Trojan horse dot.net sites run by those online cardrooms. There can be no doubt that Harrah's actually knew the true source of the funds that paid for those 4,400 or more entries. This is especially so in light of the fact that none of the dot.net sites have any way of making any money since they are all free play sites. Could anyone honestly think that the advertising agencies paid in money of their own?

The ludicrous nature of Commissioner Pollock's PR-spin is demonstrated by the recent information Harrah's has given to the online cardrooms that it will not be accepting third-party registrations for the 2007 World Series of Poker events. One observer expressed the view that the main event at next year's World Series of Poker would draw fewer than 2,200 players, a drop in attendance of some 75%.

Additionally, one of the online cardrooms, FullTiltPoker.com, has announced: "Unfortunately due to the upcoming change in legislation Full Tilt Poker will no longer be able to satellite US residents into live tournaments in US. This policy will be effective immediately."

A number of the online cardrooms, all of which are privately-held companies, have announced they intend to continue their real money U.S. facing online poker rooms. Included is the current second largest online cardroom, PokerStars.com, as well as UltimateBet.com, FullTiltPoker.com, DoylesRoom.com and AbsolutePoker.com, among others. PokerStars is sending e-mails to some of its players that state:

PokerStars has received extensive expert advice from within and outside the U.S. which concluded that these provisions do not alter the U.S. legal situation with respect to our offering of online poker games.

Furthermore it is important to emphasize that the Act does not in any way prohibit you from playing online poker.

Therefore, our business continues as before - open to players worldwide including the US. You may play on our site as you did prior to the Act.

PokerStars believes that poker is a game of skill enjoyed by millions of players and we remain committed to providing you a safe and fun environment in which to play. We value your loyalty to PokerStars, and look forward to continuing to serve you with the best online poker experience, as we have for the past five years, six billion hands, and 40 million tournaments.

Doyle Brunson sent a personal e-mail under his picture and over his signature to players at DoylesRoom.com saying:

We at Doyle’s Room have taken extensive legal advice and believe that it is far too early to fully understand the implications of this bill on our industry. Based on the legal advice we have received, the new bill does not make internet poker expressly illegal nor does it take aim at players who enjoy online poker. However, there are some U.S. States that have existing regulations in place that may prohibit online gaming, so we encourage all of our U.S. players to review the laws of the State in which they reside.

Until such time as the law becomes clearer, Doyle’s Room will operate as normal with our full exciting range of games and tournaments at all limits.

And finally, please rest assured your money is completely secure at Doyle’s Room. I personally guarantee it.
(Emphasis supplied.)

The fact that the new law does not expressly name poker as a prohibited online game should not be taken as providing comfort to the owners and sponsors of DoylesRoom.com. As pointed out previously in this article, the Act creates a new federal crime with a five-year felony penalty, which exceeds that mandated under the Wire Wager Act. Mr. Brunson is a U.S. citizen residing in Las Vegas, Nevada and is thus readily subject to indictment and arrest. Nevada is a state that has a specific law (NRS 463.750 License required for person to operate interactive gaming) making operating an Internet gambling site illegal. The new Act clearly applies to DoylesRoom.com, and thus to Mr. Brunson. Furthermore, while the absence of illegality by those playing online may be comforting to them, it should not provide any comfort to DoylesRoom.com or to Mr. Brunson.

PokerStars and some of its privately-held competitors maintain segregated account deposits with European banks in an attempt to protect players deposits. PokerStars uses Royal Bank of Scotland. On October 12 reports surfaced that Barclays and Royal Bank of Scotland warned corporate customers not to accept US online gaming transactions. The report quoted an unnamed industry source as saying: "banks with US licences did not want to be linked with any funds that could be considered illegal, and wanted to remain whiter than white so as not to breach any legislation, however unclear that legislation is"[/url]
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Post by SkyWorksToys » Tue Jan 26, 2010 8:57 am

I understand your concerns ,but idea is lets get F14 in a hands of somebody who cant afford it, your $10 buys that chance for lucky guy I just come up with idea it could be as well any of you just happens that Im the guy who makes them. You understand that as any of you I have to make living as any of you I get up in a morning and go to work(diference is that I dont stop until 11pm) to support my family, only difference is I make models, how this makes me bad person I dont understand why some of you try to twist everthing so it fits your imaginary picture of me being bad person.
Now street value of the model is $625 I so far donate free shipping Isaiah of MTS donate $50 to this lottery I would not worry about if we find 50 people Im going to make deadline this Sunday midnight and does not mater how many participants we have I will pay difference and we draw the winner do this sounds better to you ,unless I completely lose interest thanks to sabotage attempts and office politics .Today Im going to publish first list of ticket holders

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Post by cranedriver » Tue Jan 26, 2010 9:13 am

Never said you were a bad guy Jack. It is just the fact that like it or not that if this takes place there will be more in the future. Eventually you will have members here strictly for the purpose of particapating in a lottery. This could snowball and draw attention to this site which could eventually be shutdown due to authorizing and conducting gambling activities.

I like this site and really don't want to see anything bad come to it. I would rather donate $10 to the preservation of it not to a possible end to it. I was not aware of internet gambling laws until I did a internet search. It is quite a bit of reading.

You asked for us to tell you if we thought it was a good idea and my answer is take your game somewhere else I don't want it here.

I am one member and so it goes.
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Post by SkyWorksToys » Tue Jan 26, 2010 9:18 am

cranedriver You spend so much time effort what a dedication, to find nice piece of law which has completely nothing to do with what we do here
1 gambling does not involve product but money in a essence money buying money we dont sale lottery tickets to give monetary prize and in a process we dont make money we lose money
what we have here is 20 guys is buying gift for one of us
cranedriver you are plain stupid! think before you act next time ,and for your information no body is bulling anybody to get in it opposite you bulling people to get out

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Post by cranedriver » Tue Jan 26, 2010 9:26 am

Thank you for calling me stupid Jack. It shows class and that is exactly what I expected from you. I am sure you will operate your "lottery " in a similar fashion.
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Post by Razor17019 » Tue Jan 26, 2010 9:29 am

cranedriver wrote:Never said you were a bad guy Jack. It is just the fact that like it or not that if this takes place there will be more in the future. Eventually you will have members here strictly for the purpose of particapating in a lottery. This could snowball and draw attention to this site which could eventually be shutdown due to authorizing and conducting gambling activities.

I like this site and really don't want to see anything bad come to it. I would rather donate $10 to the preservation of it not to a possible end to it. I was not aware of internet gambling laws until I did a internet search. It is quite a bit of reading.

You asked for us to tell you if we thought it was a good idea and my answer is take your game somewhere else I don't want it here.

I am one member and so it goes.
I agree with you Cranedriver. You are not alone.

SkyworksToys,
In the past, when we have had a drawing for a plane or tank, the person donated the item. He did not make a dime off of the giveaway.

I too would hate to see something as trivial as a plane cause this site to go dark with the connection to gambling.

We have established rules, we who particpate in this board follow the rules. We would like for EVERYONE who wants to be a part of this great board to follow them too. Each time one of our members has pointed these rules out to you, you take it as a personal attack. The rules apply to ALL equally.

Would you be so willing to donate this F-14, if you were NOT allowed to charge 10 bucks per chance? :?
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