Small Scale Military Headquarters

caesarbc wrote:Wouldn't this have made a bunch of sense for JSI to do considering that most of the work was done?

Anyone know if we will ever see this again?

I think that they have the molds and will make it.

They already have the Tiger 1 molds and have sent out the latest version.
They have the molds and they need to make money with it. We may even see another version of the 1.

Then after that they will release the T-2.

Est cost $100

* I don't believe any of that. We may never see it. Just like the B-25 .



- Mitch v MG

I have it from a reliable source that the 1/18 B-25's and the King Tiger's were both finished and were on a ship headed towards the U.S., when pirates captured the ship and are currently using pictures of the B-25's and KT's to intimidate their neighbors so they won't be attacked. Of course, the pirates say the pics are of their 1/1 armed forces. Who's to know? I can see the pirates now, playing with out toys........... get those Seal snipers busy..........

The pirates tried the same thing last year with a ship load of 1/48 Spad's and Albatros's but they didn't scare anybody.

TTT

The lack of a King Tiger being produced first has me skeptical as well, that it was ever molded/tooled up. I think at best it had a finalized prototype and that was it. Not that stranger things haven't happened, it just doesn't make a ton of sense to have something unreleased that has its molds all tooled up, and to not use them. That's where most of the cost of manufacturing is fixed.

That's why other companies re-use the molds as much as possible... It maximizes their utility on that fixed expense till producing the item is pretty much just gravy for them.

I think you hit the nail on the head jesseJames... and where are the P-51 molds?

Open question to TKO, and not to put you on the spot, but:

TKO if you have any more contact with the dear folks at 21st Century, could you ask those two questions? Did JSI get the KT (if they exist) & P-51 molds?

caesarbc wrote:but I am a bit skeptical since that would have been a more logical "first choice" for JSI instead of the Tiger 1.

Jesse James wrote:The lack of a King Tiger being produced first has me skeptical as well, that it was ever molded/tooled up. I think at best it had a finalized prototype and that was it.

Well, I'm just second guessing and speculating, but I'm inclined to think it never got to the mold phase. In a market where plenty of Tiger I's have been already sold, it would have been more profitable to release a King Tiger to customer base eager for it.

Haven't bought any JSI tanks yet, wasn't there some suggestion initially that they were going to be retooled and have working suspensions?

JSI does not now, nor did they ever, have all of 21c's molds. They only had some of them......the ones we are seeing from them. The others were held at different factories, not owned by JSI. Whether we'll see the KT or other 21c products surface one day, only time will tell, but i'm pretty certain that JSI does not have the KT molds but i'm also pretty sure they exist or at least did exist at one point.

* Yes , I'm w/ aferg. ... I will say this , however ,..

...... I'll believe it when it's actually available to us.


- Mitch v MG

I believe the molds are finished and ready for production. I just Hope the King Tiger doesn't end up looking like a swamp buggy like the Panzer IV did.
http://www.jiahong.net/newEbiz1/EbizPor ... 259924cf97

There was another version of this Panzer IV that was even worse. just can't find the pics...........

* OMG * ..... who would buy that junk ? * ... certainly not collectors would dey. *


- Mitch v MG

I don't believe any of that. We may never see it.

I agree. Probably nothing more than a pipe dream at this stage of the game. Perhaps in a few years, when and if things begin to turn around on the global economic stage, then maybe.

The KT was never completed. There was the proto, but there were no final injection molds. If anyone has heard different, please post.

I deffinetly remember seeing a finshed model of the KT at ComicCon or Toyshow a few years back. Can't remember which one it was, but at least they had one, soo the mold is there. The B-25 never happened according to TKO.

I wonder why we've never heard from on this board or another a member of 21st Century supposedly they were big fans of 1/18 scale. I'd sure be interested in their slant on this. Maybe their hiding in a room somewhere banging their hands on the wall saying, 'why...why...why.."

A "finished prototype" and the molds being tooled up are two completely different things... Just seeing it doesn't mean much. You have to have seen an actual production piece (or be told by someone within the process of manufacturing) to know something was actually tooled and exists...

Some Star Wars figures at shows are clearly painted prototypes, some cast in resin... Doesn't mean the figures toolings exist yet, it just means they're likely coming.

There was debate on the final waves of Indiana JOnes figures being tooled up or not, and then some hard copies turned up out of China and that answered the questions that basically they had been tooled but the line died off too fast and Hasbro didn't feel a need to invest in putting them out in any capacity.

So I still debate if the KT exists in any form other than prototype... There could be one, maybe 3, maybe a couple more "in-house" prototypes and nothing more of it... It could be tooled too, but again I feel that would've been something 21st would've wanted to unload quickly, and anyone buying would want to buy first I would think.

We saw those weird variants of tanks and hanomags and whatnot from JSI... I doubt any of them have mold toolings done though, despite seeing hand-painted versions of them at shows.

I guess that leaves me in the, "I'll believe a KT has been tooled and exists as a sellable toy, when I finally see it being sold".

Have we ever heard from a member of the 21C management on this board? I think not.

Members of this board, myself included have spoken to 21C management at Toy Fairs in the past, and almost all info we secured was second hand except for TKO.

I would imagine that 21C management and TKO have said goodbye to 1/18 and they are getting on with their lives.

It was only a job for them (TKO excluded) and I would be very surprised to hear from anyone "in the know" as to what happened to ANY molds for models we haven't seen before.

21C is a dead horse.

TTT

sledgehammer wrote:I deffinetly remember seeing a finshed model of the KT at ComicCon or Toyshow a few years back. Can't remember which one it was, but at least they had one, soo the mold is there..

JJ is right - this does not mean it was finished. Btw, I was at that show, took the pics of the thing for the 21C website and put my grubby paws on it. It was very fragile, obviously not a production model.