1:18 scale Shuned by Militarymodelling.com

Fritzkrieg · Post by **Fritzkrieg** » Sun Oct 12, 2008 4:12 pm

I was looking for some advise on paint aps for some of my WWII customs, so I posted some of my work on their site, in the figure section. No sooner did I post my pics, I get a PM from Vinnie the editior, telleing me do to the lack of responses to my post he felt, there was no interest in my figures to speek of. The post were up no longer then 10 min, at the itime of his PM. I told him I was seeking advise on my paint aps and would appreciate, him giving my post some time for member responses. He responded by deleting all of my post, and sending me a PM, that he did not want his site taken the that direction.

What a jerk!

FieroDude · Post by **FieroDude** » Sun Oct 12, 2008 4:41 pm

Sounds like a good reason to boycott the site. When I see some of the custom work people do here with figures and vehicles, it gives any of the "popular" 1/35 or 1/72 kits a serious run for the money. It's one thing to assemble a very detailed model kit well and paint it accurately, but it takes just as much talent (and IMHO, more) to take a "toy" and add all the detail and weathering to make it look like it should. Not to mention of our scratchbuilders here that choose 1/18 as their scale of choice!

Panzer_M · Post by **Panzer_M** » Sun Oct 12, 2008 5:08 pm

wow. that's a low jab to the bits..

I've seen a few REVIEWS on 32x kits and out of the box models on sites, and repaints/customs on model sites...21st stuff is treated just like Dragon Die-Cast and IIRC Easy model(not sure if that is the name)..but i've never seen 1/18 on the model sites, might be cause the stuff isn't as common as the smaller scales.

Sounds like the Editor is just a purist_prick.

VMF115 · Post by **VMF115** » Sun Oct 12, 2008 5:22 pm

What an Azz Hole....I would tell him a thing or two.

pickelhaube · Post by **pickelhaube** » Sun Oct 12, 2008 5:32 pm

The guy is a goof . F him.

Razor17019 · Post by **Razor17019** » Sun Oct 12, 2008 6:45 pm

Fritzkrieg,
Your customs are ALWAYS welcome on this site!
What a crock! I would put up anybody's 1/18 scale from our site, against anything any other board can do!

olifant · Post by **olifant** » Sun Oct 12, 2008 8:34 pm

For those guys 1/35 and 1/32 is the "big" scale. They can bite us.

pickelhaube · Post by **pickelhaube** » Sun Oct 12, 2008 8:45 pm

olifant wrote:For those guys 1/35 and 1/32 is the "big" scale. They can bite us.

Here!!!!! Here !!!!

AlloySkull · Post by **AlloySkull** » Sun Oct 12, 2008 8:51 pm

Can we go spam their board with 1/18 customs? I've got this sexy MiG-15 weathered and beaten...

Seriously, we need to pull some ninja shizz on 'em.

VMF115 · Post by **VMF115** » Sun Oct 12, 2008 8:56 pm

AlloySkull wrote:Can we go spam their board with 1/18 customs? I've got this sexy MiG-15 weathered and beaten...

Seriously, we need to pull some ninja shizz on 'em.

I like your idea

...but we don't need to cause trouble for them....any ways they don't know what they are missing.

flayrah · Post by **flayrah** » Sun Oct 12, 2008 8:59 pm

Any paint apps I can help you with LMK.

AlloySkull · Post by **AlloySkull** » Sun Oct 12, 2008 9:04 pm

Yeah, you're right. But STILL. They would have this long WTF moment of like 20 1:18 customs on the top of their board... and they would then immediately delete them because they still don't know what we have that they don't.

Dauntless · Post by **Dauntless** » Sun Oct 12, 2008 10:07 pm

At this site 1:18 is King, that's why I hang out here.

I've seen some of your work.
He's losing out.

Jesse James · Post by **Jesse James** » Sun Oct 12, 2008 11:52 pm

Eh, people should be more open to discussion on technique though, I agree...

It was a move full of douche chills I'm afraid, on the part of the editor over there. I mean, it's not like anyone's trying to force his site to open a 1:18 section... It's just discussion on paintjobs. regardless of scale, techniques often remain the same. I've used techniques from that site to spiff up Star Wars and military stuff... It is universal.

I can see not wanting Star Wars customizers on there but military stuff of any scale, you'd think would be welcome.

Some guys are anal like that though... It's the internet folks, so every asshole with an opinion is out there to force theirs on ya.

Panzer_M · Post by **Panzer_M** » Mon Oct 13, 2008 2:03 am

AlloySkull wrote:Yeah, you're right. But STILL. They would have this long WTF moment of like 20 1:18 customs on the top of their board... and they would then immediately delete them because they still don't know what we have that they don't.

trolling and spamming a site is never a good idea, just causes troubles for the mods and owners, who have to deal with the backlash.

one starts it, then the other retaliates and then it just either dies or more likely snowsballs into just a big IntranetPornEmpire Flame Fest.

tosborne3 · Post by **tosborne3** » Mon Oct 13, 2008 4:33 am

Some people are real jerks and lack any social skills to speak of. Personally, I think your customs are fantastic and I, as all of us here, am very glad to see them. Keep up the great work, and remember that you already belong to the greatest military toy/model forum on the web.

ostketten · Post by **ostketten** » Mon Oct 13, 2008 5:18 am

Don't feel too bad, I've been there and done that. Although I have never had anything deleted, I have occasionally posted a few pics of custom painted/modified armor in both XD and 32X scales in the modeling sections of a few military history forums I sometimes hang out at, and lets just say the response was underwhelming to say the least. They were like... "Oh, these are those pre assembled things aren't they..??" I was like...well, yes...but I've added some significant custom paintwork and details to it. They were like..."eh, well that's not really modeling..." I have basically given up posting any pics or information on any of the models or other stuff that we collect and/or customize at any site that is mostly a kit builders site, because at the very least they pretty much turn their noses up at our work, and in some cases they are downright hostile to the idea that what we we do is related to "modeling" in any way. To a certain extent I think at least some of these guys feel a little bit threatened by the existence of high quality, low cost, pre-assembled/painted models that are often as good, and in some cases superior to the kits they build, and in a way I can sort of understand where they are coming from. At any rate, I don't lose any sleep over it, I've been down both roads from kits to collectibles, and the choice to switch over to collectibles was a no brainer for me personally. Don't get me wrong, I still respect and admire the guys who can sit there with tweezers and a magnifying glass and hand assemble/paint a work of art, I just wish they would have a little more respect and understanding for those of us who have neither the time, money, or desire to engage in their kind of modeling.

coreystinson · Post by **coreystinson** » Mon Oct 13, 2008 7:58 am

They had solicited me to do some advertising with them. That won't be happening now. (Bad behavior has ramifications.)

immeww2 · Post by **immeww2** » Mon Oct 13, 2008 8:58 am

Poor business practice to say the least. What a shame!!

lightning2000 · Post by **lightning2000** » Mon Oct 13, 2008 12:04 pm

Hi,
I agree with Panzer M. Spamming another site, even if you feel a sense of vindication by doing it, is never a good idea. It only ends up in a flame war that hurts people's feelings even more and results in a protracted 'he said, she said' campaign waged by both parties.

While I havent seen your customs, I'm sure most of the board members here would love to see more of your work. In today's economic climate, the more distractions, the better...

Lightning2000
www.themotorpool.net

AlloySkull · Post by **AlloySkull** » Mon Oct 13, 2008 2:41 pm

Yeah, you're right. I've seen it happen, but I just can't stand arrogant pricks. We have enough of them in real life...

Jesse James · Post by **Jesse James** » Mon Oct 13, 2008 2:53 pm

I love that there's somehow an elitest attitude among such a dorky hobby...

No offense to anyone here, of course, as I'm here, but if you build models, or collect 1:18 military figures and vehicles, you're in a loser hobby... You're not playing football or hockey, or you're not out there boxing or something.

Or maybe you are, but you just like to keep balance in your life between your ying (cool side), and your yang (dork side)?

Whatever the case may be, neither model building nor action figure collecting will ever be cool... So creating elitest douchebag social circles you refuse to accept others into is something I'd consider along the lines of mildly retarded.

Like I said, modeling techniques always ALWAYS translate to customizing action figures and larger scale vehicles. It's just a fact of life, a nature of the beast(s), or whatever. Most people like to expand their horizons a little... Hell it wasn't even like Fritz was asking them to allow a 1:18 section, he just wanted opinions on his paintjobs... No need to be funky over that.

Spudkopf · Post by **Spudkopf** » Mon Oct 13, 2008 2:55 pm

I used to make scale models from the ground up 1/72nd mostly being my scale of choice (and I still have boxes full of unmade kits that now I myself will probably never build), I also used to be in a club and attend numerous model comp’s (sometimes even being asked to be a judge), but then one day I just decided I no longer wanted to build models to appease the rivet counters and instead wanted to build them purely for my own satisfaction instead, so I started turning out models wheels up and propellerless to simulate them in flight, fully knowing that these would be shun by others in the modelling community, imagine being a self-confessed nerd and then being considered being to nerdy to continue being one (an infra-nerd).

Like ostketten said I really no longer have the time to spend building kits out of boxes and instead now devote my limited modelling hours making what are essentially toys back into reasonable display models, adding the details that were missed or attempting to correct those that blaringly wrong.

Then there’s the whole size thing, I have these vivid memories of 1/32nd being huge, but now since I’ve been into 1/6th and 1/18th when I dig out my old 1/32nd scale stuff for a viewing I have to convince myself that these are not 1/48th scale pieces. And besides we all should know that 1/18th is for die-cast cars and a action figures while 1/6th belongs to GI Joes and Barbies, neither are for real models, right (said with tongue firmly in cheek).

In short, I knew going into the 1/6th and 1/18th hobbies that to most of the purists out there I would an exile, even when I go to a hobby shop for supplies I rarely divulge what project the supplies are for simply to avoid those glazed over looks, but in the end that’s their problem not mine, I’m in it for me, not for trophies (although I do appreciate the odd kind comment or piece of encouragement from time to time).

lightning2000 · Post by **lightning2000** » Mon Oct 13, 2008 3:13 pm

Hi,
The last time I built a model, I figure I was around 14 maybe 15. Back then, there was no such thing as video games. I think my interest waned when I discovered wargaming (Avalon Hill, SSI, etc.), which then gave way to computer games and, of course, diecast collecting. Now that I sell the stuff, I cant remember the last time I pulled an item out of the box with the intent of adding it to my dusty collection. The product has certainly gotten better, its just that my interests and tastes keep changning like the wind.

Frankly, I admire anyone that can put together a model without showing any traces of glue, seams, paint smudges, etc. I just dont have the eye, dexterity, skill, what have you, to sit my finished pile of junk alongside the works turned out by the professional model builders, much less the afternoon amateur. So, in a way, I can understand their somewhat elitist stance when it comes to turning their nose up to pre-built products. Sort of like comparing a handmade Ferrari made by skilled craftsmen versus an assembly line Toyota.

Having said all that, there should be a certain tolerance level exerted by the so-called professionals, otherwise the hobby never grows and, as someone else pointed out, its just designed to cater to the rivet counters. The same holds true for diecast. I dont think any company is ever going to get things 100%. There's too many factors to consider and they're in it to extend the mold as much as possible, which means some retrofitting to make it amenable to different patterns. Otherwise, its not worth the cost of the investment to the manufacturer.

Anyway, I would suggest posting custom projects here rather than on the modelbuilding sites. I think the audience that frequents this forum would appreciate them more and have an easier time understanding where you're coming from....

Lightning2000
www.themotorpool.net

tosborne3 · Post by **tosborne3** » Mon Oct 13, 2008 3:58 pm

Jesse James wrote:I love that there's somehow an elitest attitude among such a dorky hobby...

No offense to anyone here, of course, as I'm here, but if you build models, or collect 1:18 military figures and vehicles, you're in a loser hobby... You're not playing football or hockey, or you're not out there boxing or something.

Or maybe you are, but you just like to keep balance in your life between your ying (cool side), and your yang (dork side)?

Whatever the case may be, neither model building nor action figure collecting will ever be cool... So creating elitest douchebag social circles you refuse to accept others into is something I'd consider along the lines of mildly retarded.

Like I said, modeling techniques always ALWAYS translate to customizing action figures and larger scale vehicles. It's just a fact of life, a nature of the beast(s), or whatever. Most people like to expand their horizons a little... Hell it wasn't even like Fritz was asking them to allow a 1:18 section, he just wanted opinions on his paintjobs... No need to be funky over that.

On a typical night at "dorks anyonomous".... Hi, my names Tosborne3...and I'm a dork. Iv'e been a dork now since 21st century came out with xd.

Thanks for listening.

Small Scale Military Headquarters

1:18 scale Shuned by Militarymodelling.com

1:18 scale Shuned by Militarymodelling.com

Interesting.

Another Board

Model Building