21st Sniper & Machine gunner

kduck · Post by **kduck** » Tue Jun 03, 2008 5:41 pm

SolidSnakeEyes wrote:That Stg looks like the Dragon Stg...much better detail than their past attempts at that rifle.

I just wish the figure had the ammo pouches for it, and not the K98 pouches.

The StG44 does look good. But why is it so hard for them to include the proper ammo pouches? It's not like they don't have the molds to do so. They've done StG pouches and the belt and lower torso portion of the D-Day officer doesn't have any molded ammo pouches. Why couldn't they use those figure parts? It's getting kind of ridiculous. Some of the DAK figures even include ammo pouches and accessories that can't be attached to the figure without modifications because of the 98K pouches.

Jesse James · Post by **Jesse James** » Tue Jun 03, 2008 6:52 pm

I'm in total agreement on the incorrect ammo pouches... 21st would be wise to go to neutrally sculpted torsoes on figures with no ammo pouches, and make the ammo pouches a separate interchangeable accessory. They've gone that route in the past and it worked well. Works good for soldiers as prisoners too. It's something I'd definitely like seeing in the future.

GK, don't feel bad... My girlfriend's on my back any time I say, "let's cruise past toys", when we're at Wal-Mart. She rolls her eyes and we go... It's better than drinking I figure. Though I do that too, so I guess that's not a good argument for me, but that's beside the point...

Anyway, yeah, I feel your pain. The worst is asking to go on a big toy run... Where I live here near Pittsburgh, I have to go pretty far to find a TRU, so I'll hit the stores in between... Make one big toy run out of it. Boy does that always get the eye roll. Ya catch hell, but eh, whatcha gonna do? You're among friends on that subject around here I think.

Great find too... You're just the lucky guy this time, so good score for sure. I wish I'd found them. I did find DAK 2-packs tonight though and another German/American D-Day set, so I got those and I'm pretty happy. Also found another German 4WD IJ vehicle too, so I got that as well. Nice score for me on payday.

Stug45 · Post by **Stug45** » Tue Jun 03, 2008 8:11 pm

I wonder if General Blasto found any yet???

Rowsdower · Post by **Rowsdower** » Tue Jun 03, 2008 9:04 pm

Good to see "normal" skin coloration. What was up with all the "coffee colored" figures? My WM is full of them.

SolidSnakeEyes · Post by **SolidSnakeEyes** » Tue Jun 03, 2008 9:17 pm

That German looks like he might be tanned just like the Bruno figure. I think that's the new normal...or, I'm afraid it is.
I think it's to make them sun tanned looking, like they've been out in the field or something? Stinks, anyway you look at it.

I've been SEARCHING online and on Ebay, and I've yet to find anything. If Blasto has found anything online he's lucky.

forcerecon85 · Post by **forcerecon85** » Tue Jun 03, 2008 10:02 pm

I'd love to get some machine gun legs for my vietnam guys. maybe a .50 cal on a tripod or at least an m60 with a tripod. I think i'm wishful thinking though

dandaman · Post by **dandaman** » Tue Jun 03, 2008 11:33 pm

General Blasto...report!

olifant · Post by **olifant** » Wed Jun 04, 2008 1:26 am

The General is busy ordering 20 MG figures off ebay right now. He will be with us shortly.

GK/Razor, thanks for the photos. These guys look great and I can't wait to not find them.

Etailers, we need you to help us out with this one! Get 21C to cough up the goods.

tmanthegreat · Post by **tmanthegreat** » Wed Jun 04, 2008 9:12 am

Thanks for the photos and neat-looking figures. Wish they had been found at TRU, however, because the Wal Marts in the west will never see them... Guess it will be the e-tailers this time around

Post by **aferguson** » Wed Jun 04, 2008 10:32 am

what makes the sniper a sniper?...other than it says that's what he is on the package. He looks like a regular rifleman to me. Does his rifle come with a scope, even?

Razor17019 · Post by **Razor17019** » Wed Jun 04, 2008 10:36 am

From the pics, I would say, no he does not have a scoped rifle. It is just a M1 w/bayonet.

Since we got M14's w/ scopes on the Vietnam knelling figs, you would think 21stC would at least attach a scope to the M1...

Scoped M1 or not - when I find some of these guys - WATCH OUT! cause they will ALL go home with me (muhahahhaha!)

SolidSnakeEyes · Post by **SolidSnakeEyes** » Wed Jun 04, 2008 11:19 am

Jesse James wrote:I'm in total agreement on the incorrect ammo pouches... 21st would be wise to go to neutrally sculpted torsoes on figures with no ammo pouches, and make the ammo pouches a separate interchangeable accessory. They've gone that route in the past and it worked well. Works good for soldiers as prisoners too. It's something I'd definitely like seeing in the future.

It would be nice to have them come with the right gear; however, there is an easy fix for it. Just slice off those rubbery glued on belts, and attach some Dragon webgear onto them, and they look about perfect.

AlloySkull · Post by **AlloySkull** » Wed Jun 04, 2008 12:13 pm

These guys look great, however it is odd how 21st can't get pouches right, after all this time. It doesn't bother me too too much, again, as we do now have awesome new weapons and cool poses.

You do know you can still be a sniper and not have a scope, right? I'm as good a shot with open sights at distance as I am with a scope.

I like how the gunner comes with a ammo belt for the .30, like the 1/6 guns. Makes it that much cooler.

I'll be getting him for sure.

I can't wait to see that German with the Stg, man I'll be getting him in a heartbeat! Beautiful new weapons, I'm excited.

kduck · Post by **kduck** » Wed Jun 04, 2008 12:45 pm

AlloySkull wrote:...You do know you can still be a sniper and not have a scope, right? I'm as good a shot with open sights at distance as I am with a scope...

Someone that's a good shot without a scope would generally be considered a sharp shooter. When you say "at a distance", what distance are you talking about? Beyond 300-400 meters very few people can hit human sized targets without a scope. When I was in the army we used to shoot targets out to 300 meters. I usually scored expert on the range but I occasionally missed targets at that distance. A good sniper can hit targets at around 1000 meters or beyond with the right weapon. The longest confirmed sniper kill of the first Gulf War was 1800 meters with a Barret M82A1 .50 caliber sniper rifle. I'd like to see someone make that shot without a scope!

AlloySkull · Post by **AlloySkull** » Wed Jun 04, 2008 1:01 pm

I'm meaning as in you can lie in wait for your target from somewhat of a distance, hidden, silent, alone. You're right, you'd be a sharpshooter, I used the wrong terminology, but you can still take out targets from a decent distance, under camoflauge with open sights, if a scope is not available. Maybe that's this guy's story?

Don't worry, I'm not taking it too seriously man, I'm not going to say I know a lot, I was just pointing out that from experience I can hit some things at good distance with open sights, but much further and the slightest variation can throw you off.

SolidSnakeEyes · Post by **SolidSnakeEyes** » Wed Jun 04, 2008 1:34 pm

21stC issuing that figure with a basic M1 isn't too surprising, really. They would of had to sculpt up a whole new rifle to give him a Springfield or something...and it's just as easy to give him the M1 and call him a "sharpshooter."
It's the same thing as not giving an assault gunner assault rifle ammo pouches, haha.

Still look sweet. I can't wait to find these on Ebay...cause, I knew I'll never find them in my WMs.

Jagdpanther · Post by **Jagdpanther** » Wed Jun 04, 2008 1:39 pm

I will have to look around for these.

Stug45 · Post by **Stug45** » Wed Jun 04, 2008 1:42 pm

Went to 4 walmarts today 2 restocked with the tan figs and the 2 others restocked with platoon figs

then went to 2 tru all they had were dak figs & nams figs

AlloySkull · Post by **AlloySkull** » Wed Jun 04, 2008 1:53 pm

I need to do some recon at my local TRU. =/ All I know is that one Wal-Mart has Platoon, some 1:48 tanks, P-51Bs and 109Ks, and the 32X Yellow 11 190A-8, along with Hetzers and Marders. The other one has all that and then the 1:6 .30 cal, which are really nice, both of them. I might get the water cooled. I like 1:6 guns.

Stug45 · Post by **Stug45** » Wed Jun 04, 2008 2:49 pm

You know what would be really cool if Hasbro bought 21st, then u'll be seeing 8 pegs full of these figs

Now i know why it takes so long for 21st stuff to show up.

normandy · Post by **normandy** » Wed Jun 04, 2008 3:36 pm

Stug thats great!!!!!!!

kduck · Post by **kduck** » Wed Jun 04, 2008 3:38 pm

AlloySkull wrote:Don't worry, I'm not taking it too seriously man, I'm not going to say I know a lot, I was just pointing out that from experience I can hit some things at good distance with open sights, but much further and the slightest variation can throw you off.

I didn't mean to insinuate that you were. I was just pointing out that there are shots that would be impossible to make without a scope.

IMO the sniper designation that 21C is using for this figure is just a marketing ploy. Dragon did it with one of their 1:18 figures too. There is a certain mystique surrounding snipers so "sniper" stuff sells. Go take a look on eBay at the completed listings in the action figure category that contain the word "sniper". Some stuff goes for ridiculous prices. Huge numbers of listings even contain the word when the listing actually has nothing to do with snipers.

AlloySkull · Post by **AlloySkull** » Wed Jun 04, 2008 3:47 pm

Yeah I know what you mean. If you've ever played paintball for a while, you'll see people get into huge debates over whether or not a paintball gun with an 18 inch barrel and a scope makes it a sniper. I think people want it to be, but you can't pick someone off from such a distance where they can't get you.

Especially in paintball. Even if he has a longer barrel, and more gas expendage, all you have to do is adjust elevation. Which is natural as most shots in the woods are over long distance.

forcerecon85 · Post by **forcerecon85** » Wed Jun 04, 2008 4:12 pm

kduck wrote: Someone that's a good shot without a scope would generally be considered a sharp shooter. When you say "at a distance", what distance are you talking about? Beyond 300-400 meters very few people can hit human sized targets without a scope. When I was in the army we used to shoot targets out to 300 meters. I usually scored expert on the range but I occasionally missed targets at that distance. A good sniper can hit targets at around 1000 meters or beyond with the right weapon. The longest confirmed sniper kill of the first Gulf War was 1800 meters with a Barret M82A1 .50 caliber sniper rifle. I'd like to see someone make that shot without a scope!

Actually I say with much national pride, the furthest recorded kill was by Cpl Rob Furlong of the Princess Patricia Canadian Light Infantry, March 2002 in Afghanistan. The kill was 2,430 metres or 1.51 miles using a McMillan TAC-50 .50cal bolt action sniper rifle.

at that range he had to take the earth's rotation into account.

The previous record was by USMC sniper Carlos Hathcock Feb 1967 in Vietnam at a range of 2500 yards or 2266 metres using a M2 .50cal machine gun with a scope attached. I'm not sure which is more amazing.

A bit more on topic, I laugh at the 21c sharpshooter only because if he was such a good shot, I don't think he would need that bayonet

AlloySkull · Post by **AlloySkull** » Wed Jun 04, 2008 4:40 pm

True, true.

Small Scale Military Headquarters

21st Sniper & Machine gunner

MG legs

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