WW 2 Russian planes

[VMF115]

Moth: I kid you not, I heard Ann Coulter say just a couple years ago that we are still at war with the Communists! (Of course, I cracked up laughing when I heard that.) There is no doubt that people fixate on the stupidest things, and most of those who still worry about the Soviet Union have not a clue as to what the entire affair was about and will only be able to say, "Because they are evil." BTW, I do not make a habit out of listening to what Ann Coulter has to say!!





This is an extremely fast growing topic!!

Well you know there are many old Communists that are still in power in Russia today, and there are many citizens that have been left behind economically speaking; that wish for the return of the communist state. And Putin himself has made remarks in the foreign press about his skepticism towards the west and the free market system, I just think communism is still alive and well in Russia; its just repacked to look less threatening to the west,

Back to the topic
I would like to see more Russian aircraft

[Coreyeagle48]

My apologies, I agree and correct myself, I guess it is proper to term them Soviet airplanes.

Though, many times I take a look at books on World War II I see the planes labeled as Russian too. Seems like a lot of people and authors like to interchange the terms quite a bit.

[VMF115]

What about a TU-4?

[VMF115]

Not to get off topic but Russia is not being to friendly to the US and is slipping back into a dictatorship. Has the cold war really ended or has it just changed tactics?

As for telling the difference between German and Russian or Soviet aircraft I think it would be easy just look for the red star or the German Cross

Yes, I need to get back on topic!!

VMF: Of course it's easy to tell the Soviet planes! They look just like the Americans!!! The first time I saw a picture of the MiG-3, I thought it was a P-51!!

Yes they do but they are more or less crude looking in their design of Soviet fighters.

[Plane Nuts]

My apologies, I agree and correct myself, I guess it is proper to term them Soviet airplanes.

Though, many times I take a look at books on World War II I see the planes labeled as Russian too. Seems like a lot of people and authors like to interchange the terms quite a bit.

No need to appologize!! Me personally, I think interchanging Russian and Soviet is giving too much credit to the Russians!! The Soviet war machine wouldn't have been much without the Ukraineans! (And others, but I'm having a hard time thinking of my Baltics tonight!!)

[VMF115]

My apologies, I agree and correct myself, I guess it is proper to term them Soviet airplanes.

Though, many times I take a look at books on World War II I see the planes labeled as Russian too. Seems like a lot of people and authors like to interchange the terms quite a bit.

No need to appologize!! Me personally, I think interchanging Russian and Soviet is giving too much credit to the Russians!! The Soviet war machine wouldn't have been much without the Ukraineans! (And others, but I'm having a hard time thinking of my Baltics tonight!!)

I think the Baltic nations are Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania

[pickelhaube]

Soviets, Russians . Why can't we just get along. Just call them Commies or Ivans. Or the Red scurge. OK I will stop.

[VMF115]

Soviets, Russians . Why can't we just get along. Just call them Commies or Ivans. Or the Red scurge. OK I will stop.

LOL

[Moth]

Well, Russia and America have a sort-of nuetral, rather than allie relationship, IMO. I dont want to bring up politics, but I think the problem was/is that Russia is selling weapons to the U.S.'s enemy.
But I dont feel this should deter them from making Russian aircraft!

[VMF115]

Well, Russia and America have a sort-of nuetral, rather than allie relationship, IMO. I dont want to bring up politics, but I think the problem was/is that Russia is selling weapons to the U.S.'s enemy.
But I dont feel this should deter them from making Russian aircraft!

I agree, but I dont think that's the reason we dont see Russian or Soviet aircraft, I think its the lack of recognition by the general public.

[GooglyDoogly]

Well, the US is selling weapons to US' enemies....

(hehehehehe)

Back on topic.....

No mention of LaGG-5, or LaGG-7??????

[VMF115]

Hey GooglyDoogly whats up with you Avatar?

[VMF115]

List of the World War II Soviet made aircraft


World War II Soviet fighter aircraft

Polikarpov I-185
Lavochkin La-5
Lavochkin La-7
Lavochkin-Gorbunov-Goudkov LaGG-1
Lavochkin-Gorbunov-Goudkov LaGG-3
Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-1
Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-3
Polikarpov I-15
Polikarpov I-16
Yakovlev Yak-1
Yakovlev Yak-3
Yakovlev Yak-9

World War II Soviet ground attack aircraft

Ilyushin Il-10
Ilyushin Il-2
Sukhoi Su-6

World War II Soviet medium bombers

Ilyushin Il-4
Petlyakov Pe-2
Tupolev SB
Tupolev Tu-2

[Moth]

GooglyDoogly,

There were no LaGG-5/7's, only the LaGG-1/3
Are you thinking La-5/7?

VMF115,

Wow, I have never seen the Su-6!
Wait, only 3 built? no wonder I have never heard of it

[VMF115]

http://www.sukhoi.org/eng/planes/museum/su6/

[GooglyDoogly]

GooglyDoogly,

There were no LaGG-5/7's, only the LaGG-1/3
Are you thinking La-5/7?

Whooops my bad. Yeah you're right. It's an old mistake of mine that I keep repeating. For some reason, I always call all the Lavochkin fighters LaGGs.

[sicqnus]

Russians had the highest number of casualties of the allies in WWII.

Casualties for the Russians : 23,200,000 Total deaths.
Incl. - Militaries : 10,700,000 ; Civilians : 11,500,000 and Jewish Holocaust : 1,000,000 (only in the part of Russia invaded by the Germans...).

Casualties for the Americans : 418,500 Total deaths.

Nowadays I don't think the Russians are in a way to a new Cold War. Of course Poutin (ex-KGB spy and Mig fighter pilot is a pure product of the old school and Bush Jr. is, well... loosing his time and ruining his country by making a useless war in a country were Oussama Ben Laden have never been). We are living the beginning of a new era, some specialists are telling us we will see the end of the petrol in no more than 50 years and after we will have to create new sources of power and industry. All the new conflicts will be located in the countries that have Petrol and Gas - Russia is one of them and they fear to be a potential target, at least in the southern countries like Chechenia.

Sources : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_casualties

To me the problems will probably come from other countries like China and India (Almost 50% of the whole world population is located in these two countries, if you count the other Asia countries : it is 60% !!!). These countries are poor but are becoming rich, they will need to grow more and will need more and more energy (but we have less and less non-renewable, fosil energy). Then it is logical to believe we will see more and more conflicts related to the energy sources.

Source : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_population
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fossil_energy

Another data to keep in mind :
The world population evolution (as we agree we are living on a planet that doesn't grow...).
1910 : 1,750 billion.
2005 : 6,500 billions.
2050 : 9,075 billions (estimate).

Then we are more and more everyday and we have less and less ressources. We are growing at a frightening rate and it probably means we will see several major conflicts in the (near?) future.
Need a career ? Choose army.

Sources : http://esa.un.org/unpp/
http://www.census.gov/ipc/www/worldhis.html

BTW, here is a nice Yakolev-Yak11 "Normandie-Nyemen" squadron.

[demonclaw]

I think the reason why were not seeing any Soviet 1:18/1:32 airplanes is because of the low interest not politics , Thats probably why FOV only made one Soviet 1:32 tank (that is retired now) .

[Moth]

How do the companys know there is no interest if they never made anything Russian? (FOV aside)
I really doubt there was any interest or demand for a Macchi

[demonclaw]

How do the companys know there is no interest if they never made anything Russian? (FOV aside)
I really doubt there was any interest or demand for a Macchi

Well even if FOV only made one 1:32 tank it was probably enough to convince them (and everyone else) that theres very little interest for Soviet vehicles in that scale , but they did make two 1/72 soviet tanks and one infantry set so maybe theres a future for russian stuff there . Im personally pissed that we see tons of obscure german tanks that saw very limited combat but not a single IS-2

[pickelhaube]

I think that if they made the Mig-3 with those big red stars that alone would make it sell.

[tmanthegreat]

Although China & Russia have been at odds (more or less) since the 1970s, the Chinese factories should have not problem making a plane with big red stars on the wings - the 21c Mig-15s are a case in point! I'd be up for the Stormavick, Yak-3 and especially the Mig-3

[GooglyDoogly]

Why the MiG-3? Because it's a MiG? It's a bad plane. So bad, the Soviets withdrew it from frontline service early in the war.

I hope the three manufacturers don't make a MiG-3 as the first WWII 1/18th Soviet aircraft.

[pickelhaube]

Withdrew Were did you get this idea The mig-3 was a front line fighter

[GooglyDoogly]

Withdrew Were did you get this idea The mig-3 was a front line fighter

Yeah, at the beginning of the war. The MiG-3 is a great high-altitude interceptor, but horribly outbalanced below 5,000 feet. Since most aerial combat on the Eastern Front occur below 5,000 feet, the MiG-3 performed poorly. I know some Soviet aces achieved high scores with this plane, but that really doesn't say anything. A great fighter pilot on a inferior plane can always triumph over a mediocre pilot flying a more advanced plane.

MiG-3s is the kind of aircraft that looks great on paper, but when pitted against actual combat, most Soviet pilots found it lacking.

Besides, the Yak series is the most numerous Soviet fighter type built during WWII. I doubt that Soviet High Command would stop production of the MiG-3, if it was so effective.

It's not.

The Yaks and the Lavoichkin fighters are the true frontline fighters. They are the ones who fought the Germans in almost equal terms.

So to built a fighter like the MiG-3 before a Yak or a LaGG/La fighter is kinda....I dunno. Weird.

It's the same argument I had with the F-104. Is it a good fighter? Yes. Is it a fast fighter? Yes. Is it an effective combat aircraft? No.