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That was my understanding also. This isn't new, there are many warplanes history associates with one pilot, but in reality the pilots flew what was available and for many other reasons. This is a great opportunity to discuss what Tim? and Jason have pulled off here and how it also applies to other aircraft/pilots too.Timbo wrote:From what I understand the two men were close friends and both of them joked about the identity of the aircraft.
GooglyDoogly wrote:I don't know Heer Stiegler personally, so I can't speak for him. But from what I gather, Adolf Galland had a pretty good relationship with his people. So I highly doubt that it would be such an affront to Stiegler that White 3 is known as "Galland's 262"
If it offends you that much, go buy one, paint the pilot to look like Stiegler, and just call it Stiegler's 262. Because there's no marking on that aircraft that says it's Adolf Galland's, nor Stiegler's.
So it's really up to you!
I better buy a couple then, so AT wouldn't feel the impact of such a financial loss.MG-42 wrote:GooglyDoogly wrote:I don't know Heer Stiegler personally, so I can't speak for him. But from what I gather, Adolf Galland had a pretty good relationship with his people. So I highly doubt that it would be such an affront to Stiegler that White 3 is known as "Galland's 262"
If it offends you that much, go buy one, paint the pilot to look like Stiegler, and just call it Stiegler's 262. Because there's no marking on that aircraft that says it's Adolf Galland's, nor Stiegler's.
So it's really up to you!
>>> I just won't purchase the plane period ,....... how's that then ! *
Mitch v MG
If they were, how much you wanna bet that it would have been marked as White 3?VMF115 wrote:I thought 21st was makeing one in the Galland livery.
GooglyDoogly wrote:I better buy a couple then, so AT wouldn't feel the impact of such a financial loss.MG-42 wrote:
>>> I just won't purchase the plane period ,....... how's that then ! *
Mitch v MG
I'll do my part to help support each companies 1/18 products.This is the same debate as on Wittmanns Tiger.. Was it his??? No, but he was in command of it when he died.. Was Gallands Me-262 his?? No, but he was the pilot of it when he flew it... So technically, if ATs version represents the Me-262 when Galland flew it, then that is good enough for me..MG-42 wrote:[+] > Well , Galland is the familiar photo-op for this particular aircraft then.
[+] > The fact of the matter remains then , that technically , it's still STIGLER's aircraft no matter what !
Mitch v MG
2nd Thatnormandy wrote:Jason, Great paint scheme! I don't care who flew it, thats one cool looking bird.
Hm..I missed this little tidbit of info. If that's true (and I think it is), that's quite troubling.Jason of Admiral Toys wrote:
There is an adverse effect for the bargains you are receiving lately. The manufacturers are not making what they expect per model when their projects went into development. This means it takes a lot longer for these “old, overdone, too many paint scheme models” to be paid off, and money earned to finish other aircraft and start new projects. If you wonder why the 1:18 market has slowed down and why you have not seen anything about some of the new projects promised by the manufacturers… all the above is the answer.
Jason, I completely understand and think it is not only savvy but also special that you do 1500 unit runs. Although we may complain about repaints many of us have and will continue to purchase them because they are what is available!Jason of Admiral Toys wrote:I understand your concern. I will try to answer your question. One of the major reasons for more paint schemes is pricing. If you look at the prices many of you wait for before purchasing these models you will understand our need to produce more. The retailers are expecting us to lower prices, which we have, because they know many of you are going to wait for a clearance sale. If the retailer is required to lower prices before you purchase the models, they expect us to lower prices before they purchase our models. I do not blame them.MG-42 wrote:[+] > That's really nice *, but geeze , what's w/ all these 262 schemes ? ... You'd think the market will be saturated w/ them , eventually.
Mitch v MG
There is an adverse effect for the bargains you are receiving lately. The manufacturers are not making what they expect per model when their projects went into development. This means it takes a lot longer for these “old, overdone, too many paint scheme models” to be paid off, and money earned to finish other aircraft and start new projects. If you wonder why the 1:18 market has slowed down and why you have not seen anything about some of the new projects promised by the manufacturers… all the above is the answer.
Admiral Toy’s response is to produce fewer numbers of more paint schemes and keep the market interested in having a choice of schemes per aircraft. We only produce roughly 1,500 in secondary paint schemes. That is not enough aircraft to provide 1 per major city in the world, the 1,500 is for world wide distribution, not just for the US.
Just because another manufacturer came out with the same aircraft after ours was produced does not mean we can afford to deviate from our original game plan and stop making 262s because the other company is making them also. We would lose money and this would not be good for our psychological desire to produce more 1:18 aircraft.
Therefore, you have seen a glimpse at only our 3rd 262. We think it is a very nice paint scheme and look forward to producing it. It is a very nice example and we hope you guys will love it.
Regards,
Jason
P.S.
In todays market, you will be hard pressed to find "more special" then 1,500 models per paint scheme. These are pretty special numbers. Most production runs are at least 5,000 models per paint scheme.
But it is your prerogative to wait for a different "special" model to be released.
Agreed...however it's a 2 way street. Manufactures that continue to take their customer base for granted and continually display questionable business practices soon have fewer customers.Jason's remarks about the need for continued paint releases is totally correct. When you start to understand the position of the companies that make these you realize the pressure that comes from 2 ends. The first is almost always the customer view point. However the buyers are the second CRITICAL pivot point. Clearance items are GREAT for fans but in the niche market there is LITTLE room for margins and this spells disaster when discounts are too deep.
This is a niche fan market place gentlemen, and that means that without your direct support the hobby dies. The occasional deal is good but in the long term you might find the manufacture's going away and then the hobby goes with it. Just some food for thought.
