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KAGNEW · Post by **KAGNEW** » Sat Aug 13, 2005 7:25 am

IF MEMORY SERVES ME F-102s REPLACED THEM AND WEREN'T ANY BETTER.
I HATE TO SAY IT BUT UNTIL F-4Es THE USAF DIDN'T HAVE A GOOD ESCORT. THE NAVYs F-8 CRUSADER WAS THE BEST TILL PHANTOMS

WGP Klaus · Post by **WGP Klaus** » Sat Aug 20, 2005 6:22 am

KAGNEW wrote:IF MEMORY SERVES ME F-102s REPLACED THEM AND WEREN'T ANY BETTER.
I HATE TO SAY IT BUT UNTIL F-4Es THE USAF DIDN'T HAVE A GOOD ESCORT. THE NAVYs F-8 CRUSADER WAS THE BEST TILL PHANTOMS

you're correct about the 102's, and even more correct about those 'Phabulous Phantoms', and on a similar note, who else here would buy as many 1:18 F-4's as there home could hold?

Website · Post by **Teamski** » Sat Aug 20, 2005 6:41 am

I'm raising my hand......

-Ski

kevrut · Post by **kevrut** » Sat Aug 20, 2005 8:33 am

Not me, I'll stop at the 10th F-4 repaint.

Jericoeagle1 · Post by **Jericoeagle1** » Sat Aug 20, 2005 10:39 am

I used to live near the McDonnell Douglas Final assembly building in Saint Louis in the seventies and it was a real treat to watch the F-4s roll out all freshly painted in USAF Camoflage There was a stand they placed them on to test there electronics on and it perfectly sillouetted them when the sun came down, it was very impressive. Yes I'd take an F-4 as well it is one of my all time favorites. But I have to admit I still want to see an A-10 first.

DocTodd · Post by **DocTodd** » Sat Aug 20, 2005 9:02 pm

Jericoeagle1 wrote: Yes I'd take an F-4 as well it is one of my all time favorites. But I have to admit I still want to see an A-10 first.

Ditto,
Todd

vulgarvulture · Post by **vulgarvulture** » Mon Aug 22, 2005 7:26 am

'Phabulous Phantoms', and on a similar note, who else here would buy as many 1:18 F-4's as there home could hold?

Ahem. Me!

An F-4 collection would be the brass ring for my 1:18 collection. I could close up shop after that.

...Well, maybe not completely shut down.

Paint scheme priority order: Navy, Navy & Navy. Marines, then Air Force.

Website · Post by **Teamski** » Mon Aug 22, 2005 7:58 am

vulgarvulture wrote:
'Phabulous Phantoms', and on a similar note, who else here would buy as many 1:18 F-4's as there home could hold?
Ahem. Me!

An F-4 collection would be the brass ring for my 1:18 collection. I could close up shop after that.

...Well, maybe not completely shut down.

Paint scheme priority order: Navy, Navy & Navy. Marines, then Air Force.

Oh comon! Air Force Lizard camo ALWAYS beats out Navy grey!!

-Ski

vulgarvulture · Post by **vulgarvulture** » Mon Aug 22, 2005 8:08 am

Oh comon! Air Force Lizard camo ALWAYS beats out Navy grey!!

Ski, you were the first guy I thought of after I made the post. I just knew I should have added the caveat "with no offense intended to any individual who served or has served in the other branches". I knew you'd call me on it!

KAGNEW · Post by **KAGNEW** » Mon Aug 22, 2005 12:59 pm

let me see
15 USAF paints
4 USN paints
4 GERMAN plus Wild Horse
2 Japan
2 Israil
2 Turkey
thats all the Phabulas Phantoms Phorever i can think of that i'd buy

Post by **aferguson** » Mon Aug 22, 2005 1:07 pm

um....British??

vulgarvulture · Post by **vulgarvulture** » Mon Aug 22, 2005 1:09 pm

let me see
15 USAF paints
4 USN paints
4 GERMAN plus Wild Horse
2 Japan
2 Israil
2 Turkey
thats all the Phabulas Phantoms Phorever i can think of that i'd buy

That ought to do it. Might want to throw in a Marine version or two just for good measure!

(Did not mean to hijack the F-104 post, but if any topic can justify it It'd be an F-4 discussion.

KAGNEW · Post by **KAGNEW** » Mon Aug 22, 2005 1:23 pm

that means 30+ F-4s for me
time to tell wife we need bigger shop for me to play in

WGP Klaus · Post by **WGP Klaus** » Wed Aug 24, 2005 5:06 am

Hell! I'd be happy with "Duke" Cunninghams ride! and of course a VF-84 bird, as well as several VMFA schemes. In terms of "exported" schemes, I'd be happy with just one, an Israeli Phantom.

KAGNEW · Post by **KAGNEW** » Wed Aug 24, 2005 7:29 am

if you saw the german wild horse paint you would love to have it

vulgarvulture · Post by **vulgarvulture** » Wed Aug 24, 2005 7:45 am

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl= ... en%26lr%3D

KAGNEW · Post by **KAGNEW** » Wed Aug 24, 2005 8:36 am

so what do you think of wild horse?

WGP Klaus · Post by **WGP Klaus** » Thu Aug 25, 2005 5:15 am

KAGNEW wrote:if you saw the german wild horse paint you would love to have it

I've seen that Phantom and several build ups (48th and 72nd), not really a big fan of Tiger Meet type birds, I prefer the real "battle birds". The extent I'll go, are black tailed types, in particular the ones with Skull and Crossbones!

KAGNEW · Post by **KAGNEW** » Thu Aug 25, 2005 6:37 am

most of the time i would agree with you. but that bird just gets to me
USAF SEA is my faverite

WGP Klaus · Post by **WGP Klaus** » Thu Aug 25, 2005 4:47 pm

KAGNEW wrote:most of the time i would agree with you. but that bird just gets to me
USAF SEA is my faverite

agreed! anything with southeast asia scheme works for me

Post by **aferguson** » Thu Sep 01, 2005 5:52 am

Got an F-104 yesterday. Quite nice from what i can see looking at it in the box. Looking forward to putting it together soon.

As a side note: the 479th TFW (which this plane is a representative of) was sent to southern florida in Oct '62, during the Cuban missile crisis and the planes were equipped with tactical nukes in case a strike on Cuba was deemed necessary. (i believe this strike never took place...).

Anyway, would be kind of cool to custom up a nuke to hang from the bottom of it. The underside 'catamaran' sidewinder missile mounts were not very popular in the field as they caused a lot of drag, dirt kicked up by the nose wheel covered the glass nose cones of the sidewinders mounted there and if the catamaran was used it meant that the nuke (or conventional bomb load) could not be carried. That said it's quite surprising you see it in so many pictures of the Starfighter.

Nice job 21c!

Website · Post by **Teamski** » Thu Sep 01, 2005 6:06 am

Cool! You got one well before me. Who said that Canadians are snubbed in the XD world? Just kidding, I know you are out in left field.....

Did Starfighters use Genie rockets for nukes?? The missle might of been too big. I know that F-101's used them.....

-Ski

Quixote511 · Post by **Quixote511** » Thu Sep 01, 2005 7:24 am

So, I guess I need one of these too. My dad used to tell me stories about doing 12 hour ready shifts during the missle crisis. He said he would have to sit out on the runway, plane jucied and armed for take off, just waiting in the hot sun. He said it was instense. Very cool to know this now.
Aaron

Post by **aferguson** » Thu Sep 01, 2005 8:38 am

was your dad an F-104 pilot, if so, where did he sit....in the cockpit?

Post by **aferguson** » Thu Sep 01, 2005 8:58 am

To answer you Ski....the F-104 could carry one Mk. 28 or Mk. 43 tactical nuclear weapon (bomb) on its center pylon.

Here is a listing of all the nuclear weapons in SAC service:

http://www.strategic-air-command.com/we ... _chart.htm

Here's a photo of the Mk. 28, which is most likely what would have been carried by F-104's during any attack on Cuba:

http://www.wpafb.af.mil/museum/arm/arm13.jpg

Small Scale Military Headquarters

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