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I would be sure to get that over a Tiger or Panther.
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Dude, that is bunk and you should know it. The Pz II and Pz III do not share the same chassis(or even suspension type. The II is a leaf spring and the III is a torison bar setup), not to meantion the size is different.Threetoughtrucks wrote:Rumor has that the completed show special will run around $7-800 and the kit would be around $4-500, but that is a guess.
Seeing as how the pic shows an unpainted model, it is either a kit or a prototype.
My idea is somebody in China has gotten their hand on the 1/6 21C prototype molds of the RC PZ 111, that was supposed to have been destroyed years ago, and is working with it now. The PZ 11 and 111 have the same body, only the PZ 11 has the smaller guns.
DML has disappointed 1/6 fans before, saying something will be released but then the item just evaporates. We can hope with this PZ 11 and all the possible custom variations of tanks and SP guns using the same chassis that this tank will be realized........ I hope, I hope, I hope.![]()
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well the VWs/NSU are 100ish, so 300-400 isn't bad. the complex metal Panzer IV is 700-800 unbuilt at a hobbyshop over near Tampa(1hr drive or so for me)...and I've been eyeing that kit for awhile but the pile of resin is the turn off on that one...but the Panzer II shows promise.Threetoughtrucks wrote:Rumor has that the completed show special will run around $7-800 and the kit would be around $4-500, but that is a guess.
Seeing as how the pic shows an unpainted model, it is either a kit or a prototype.
My idea is somebody in China has gotten their hand on the 1/6 21C prototype molds of the RC PZ 111, that was supposed to have been destroyed years ago, and is working with it now. The PZ 11 and 111 have the same body, only the PZ 11 has the smaller guns.
DML has disappointed 1/6 fans before, saying something will be released but then the item just evaporates. We can hope with this PZ 11 and all the possible custom variations of tanks and SP guns using the same chassis that this tank will be realized........ I hope, I hope, I hope.![]()
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I didn't mean any real harm in the BS comment but converting a Mk.II to III is like converting a Pz IV into a Panther/Tiger.Threetoughtrucks wrote:Ignoring the fact that a member tells me my comment is "BS" and "You should know it".
Doing a little research anybody can find that the German Army experimented with many similar types of tanks to find the right size and running gear combination for their projected needs. They projected two types of tanks, light and medium. Light tanks would accompany infantry and fight against enemy infantry tanks. Medium tanks were designed to engage heavy fixed fortifications.
Panzer I and Panzer II's fit the bill for fighting enemy infantry and tanks at the beginning and the German Army quickly found them useless against bigger enemy tanks. Panzer III's used heavier guns and were replaced with Panzer IV's and the bigger tanks. The guns were primarily 20mm and later 37mm guns with experiments of 50mm guns.
The Panzer II depicted by this DML model with five wheels was used to the end of WW2 as a base for many weapons systems (Self Propelled Guns, AT Guns and AAA configurations).
When the Panzer III was developed, a group of 10 Panzer III's were used with the five wheels and coil spring suspensions, just like the Panzer II's.. These were used at the start of the war with the 1st Panzer Division and saw combat. Then Panzer III's with six wheels with leaf springs were found more successful in handling the weight of the heavier guns and armor than the Panzer II's.
To a modeler, using the Panzer II body with a heavier gun turret for the bigger guns to represent a Panzer III would be acceptable to all but the "bolt counter" modeler we all know exist...![]()
As to my comment on the 21C Panzer, it was a joke about the missing molds. My comments on price were repeated from SAG and THE SIXTH DIVISION forums. At this point nobody know the price, not your "experts" or mine.
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I'm not far behind, I'm on R and 70/30(R is sliding and 70/30 every 12), plus a some few other scripts now, since the "Honeymoon" period ended it seems for me...after 5 years since I went in to ICU with a Blood Glucose close to 900...just been bitter about the recent turn of events..esp with the new complications that I can't seem to get a real solution for. I am just pissed off with the whole US healthcare system at this point..since all the care it seems is the profit of managing the problem and not curing it..and it would be a simple fix in the terms of engineering..stem cells into Islet cells and Type 1 would be eliminated. I remember back in 2005, I heard all the hoopal bs about pig cell transplants, human donor transplants being done(with 1 case here in Brevard Co) and that in a few years the curse would be gone with the progress...but that kinda died on the vine, like the insulin laced lettuce that was going through trials a few years back...like I said as the problems have grown from a incovienence to a handicap...I've gotten more negative..esp away from the 'net and in real life.Threetoughtrucks wrote:Since in real life during WW2 the PII chassis WAS used for the chassis for various SP guns like the Wespe after the PII became obsolete, no matter what changes the body went through, it was in fact used. You can't say a craftsman like our Pickel couldn't make a passable body for a PIII, and put that body on the DML PII chassis. That is all I'm saying. Besides, you can't say, 1/6 guys are not already drawing up initial plans for a Wespe body for that DML PII kit considering the popularity of both the PII and the Wespe. We all know there are pics around of the dozens of different bodies and chassis combination's that the Germans tried. Some worked and were adopted, alot didn't and became obsolete but still were used until they were destroyed in action or just fell apart. Those crafty Germans used everything they got their hands on, you know that, even captured armor turned in SP guns.
Back to our real life. Panzer, sorry for your price increase problems for your insulin. If you complain about that price, you should feel better thinking about me. I take two kinds of insulin, quick acting and long acting every day, every meal, and my plan charges for each are about $80 for a three month supply..... until I fall in the dreaded "Donut Hole", which is about June, each year, when my insulin cost to me jumps to $400 and $500 a pop for a three month supply. Just blam, there goes $1800 in the crapper, just for the insulin. Besides two other meds I take that are also in the $350 to $500 each a pop range while in the "Donut Hole". After all, I do have a choice...... either I pay it or I don't and die. That's my choice. I love choices. Feel better now?
My reaction to the BS crack was like dega view all over again of a 1/6 forum years ago that had a nasty habit of having flame wars that got ugly. I wasn't involved in the flame wars but stopped visiting that site for two years because of it and found this site where we don't use flame wars even in differences of opinions and didn't want to start that here.
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I'll wait for the kit too.Threetoughtrucks wrote:The price for the completed DML Pz II is $499.99 as a show special.
http://www.dxpo.com/dx/10/exclusives/71450.asp
Best guess for a kit would be around $200.
I'll be in line for a kit, that's fur sure, that's fur dang sure.![]()
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