JSI also set to produce 1:18 F-15 Eagle and SU-27 Flanker?

ExC17load · Post by **ExC17load** » Tue May 12, 2009 6:14 am

I'm with you Aferg!

Grilledcheese · Post by **Grilledcheese** » Tue May 12, 2009 6:35 am

Agreed. I ain't counting my chickens until they are out of the box and assembled on my kitchen table.

Until then I shall remain guardedly optimistic.

Jeffrey

tkjaer21 · Post by **tkjaer21** » Tue May 12, 2009 6:48 am

This is very good news if they actually make them.

Pa Deuce · Post by **Pa Deuce** » Tue May 12, 2009 7:17 am

Just give Panther his Thud and we'll be all good

We're hearing that interest in 1/18th is waning - but if indicators are weak, I have to believe it's a result of the vapor squadron of unrealized models out there. I totally agree with a lot of people in this thread - I can't get too pumped about models that might fail to come to market

Sky Ray · Post by **Sky Ray** » Wed May 13, 2009 12:32 am

I don't think this has been posted yet, there are so many JSI threads I'm getting lost...

By chance, I saw this on Birddog's link in his first post here: viewtopic.php?t=16703

and these look like the first official pictures of the F-15 and SU-27:
http://www.militarytoyshop.com/product. ... &PT_ID=239

http://www.militarytoyshop.com/product. ... &PT_ID=239

NWarty · Post by **NWarty** » Wed May 13, 2009 12:42 am

Not a fan of the F-15 color scheme or the plane in general, but that Flanker looks ver niceh

VMF115 · Post by **VMF115** » Wed May 13, 2009 1:21 am

I was hoping for a single seat flanker

Jericoeagle1 · Post by **Jericoeagle1** » Wed May 13, 2009 1:37 am

I always wanted an F-15 in Israeli colors so thats a must have for me as is the Flanker!

Post by **aferguson** » Wed May 13, 2009 5:03 am

if JSI is hoping for sales success in 1/18 scale they better get their act together. A 2 seat trainer in chinese airforce markings and an israeli F-15 ain't gonna cut it.

With high price tags and limited space, most people will not buy these models.

Panther F · Post by **Panther F** » Wed May 13, 2009 5:13 am

aferguson wrote:if JSI is hoping for sales success in 1/18 scale they better get their act together. A 2 seat trainer in chinese airforce markings and an israeli F-15 ain't gonna cut it.

With high price tags and limited space, most people will not buy these models.

I kinda have to agree with you on that.

iflabs · Post by **iflabs** » Wed May 13, 2009 5:27 am

SOLD!!!!!!!!!

Black Lion VF-213 · Post by **Black Lion VF-213** » Wed May 13, 2009 5:31 am

What's up with the conformal fuel tanks on that JSI F-15? Does Israel fly the Strike Eagle? I thought they only had something like models A,B,C, or D.....not E

Maybe I'm wrong. Anyone else here a F-15 expert?

Birddog · Post by **Birddog** » Wed May 13, 2009 5:36 am

This is cool. I'm definitely down for an F-15E. Even though they are showing an IDF scheme, I'm sure they will release a USAF scheme since they are breaking into the US market. If for some odd reason they don't, I'll still get one and put a USAF scheme on it myself.

The SU-27 is sweet looking as well. Hopefully it will be a single seater but that won't hold me back from picking one up.

Very positive news for my hopes of seeing an A-10 in 1/18.....

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Airacobra · Post by **Airacobra** » Wed May 13, 2009 5:37 am

aferguson wrote:if JSI is hoping for sales success in 1/18 scale they better get their act together. A 2 seat trainer in chinese airforce markings and an israeli F-15 ain't gonna cut it.

With high price tags and limited space, most people will not buy these models.

Although I understand where you're coming from I think we need to put things into perspective a bit. It wasn't that long ago when the idea of a 1/18 scale F-14, F-15, SU-27, etc was not even a pipe dream. If JSI actually produces these planes I think we are starting to split hairs when we complain about paint schemes. There are paint schemes I would prefer to have as well but that will never stand in the way of me buying them. Lets be honest, with the recent demise of 21st Century, this hobby looked as though it was in a shallow dive until JSI stepped up to the plate. JSI must watch these boards because all three of the modern jets they are releasing have been at the forefront of peoples wish lists for quite some time, rivaled only by the A-10. I just don't want to scare them away from building such awesome pieces just because we don't like the paint scheme.

Birddog · Post by **Birddog** » Wed May 13, 2009 5:41 am

Here are some pictures of an IDF F-15I that may answer some questions about the fuel tanks:

Here's a link from Boeing:

http://www.boeing.com/news/releases/199 ... 0912n.html

Birddog · Post by **Birddog** » Wed May 13, 2009 5:47 am

Here's a link with even better pictures and information:

http://www.israeli-weapons.com/weapons/ ... F-15I.html

Post by **aferguson** » Wed May 13, 2009 6:02 am

two seat trainers are not 'splitting hairs'.

I know what JSI is doing and it's going to bite them in the ass. By making less desirable versions first they figure all the 1/18 starved collectors will buy one and then they will release the hot versions later and sell a ton more. Right? Wrong.

That might work in 1/72 scale or 1/48 but not in 1/18. These things are expensive and they are huge. I'm not going to waste money and precious space on a 2 seat trainer Su-27.

If it was just the paint scheme i'd think about it but would probably wait for a russian scheme to come out. If it didn't then i'd go back and get a plaaf one (because there would be plenty around still) and repaint it myself. But if i'm forking out $250 (with shipping) or so i really think i should be able to get a scheme i like and not have to settle for something i don't.

And no, the IDF does not have strike eagles, at least they didn't in '69. That F-15 is a 2 seat trainer as well.

A bad choice on first release will mean poor sales and may kill the line before it has a chance to get rolling. At that is something we should all be concerned about.

Same thing happened with 21c. Poor S1 schemes hurt them repeatedly and they probably lost the WM deal in large part to tons of unsold planes clogging shelves. Atlantic avenger vs. Pacific Avenger, being a prime example. They should also have sent the hot schemes to WM. Pappy Corsair, Witman tiger etc. Things that more people will recognize and be interested in buying.

The 88 was another gaff (and their last). S1 DAK. Mistake. I bought one. I would have purchased 4 dark greys. I ended up buying 2 more DAKs when MD blew them out at $30. Multiply my story by a few hundreds of other people and you get weak sales. At a time 21c really needed a home run to have any chance of survival they released the 88 in DAK and it was a bunt single...

Birddog · Post by **Birddog** » Wed May 13, 2009 6:39 am

aferguson wrote:
And no, the IDF does not have strike eagles, at least they didn't in '69. That F-15 is a 2 seat trainer as well.

Did you see the links that I posted above? JSI's labeling of their F-15 is correct. The F-15I isn't a trainer in the IDF.

You're right, the IDF doesn't have "Strike Eagles", but the F-15I is the same platform with the same purpose for the IDF as the F-15E in the USAF (Strike Eagles).

I would rather see a USAF paint scheme, but I do want the E model platform.

Airacobra · Post by **Airacobra** » Wed May 13, 2009 6:52 am

aferguson wrote:two seat trainers are not 'splitting hairs'.

I know what JSI is doing and it's going to bite them in the ass. By making less desirable versions first they figure all the 1/18 starved collectors will buy one and then they will release the hot versions later and sell a ton more. Right? Wrong.

That might work in 1/72 scale or 1/48 but not in 1/18. These things are expensive and they are huge. I'm not going to waste money and precious space on a 2 seat trainer Su-27.

If it was just the paint scheme i'd think about it but would probably wait for a russian scheme to come out. If it didn't then i'd go back and get a plaaf one (because there would be plenty around still) and repaint it myself. But if i'm forking out $250 (with shipping) or so i really think i should be able to get a scheme i like and not have to settle for something i don't.

And no, the IDF does not have strike eagles, at least they didn't in '69. That F-15 is a 2 seat trainer as well.

A bad choice on first release will mean poor sales and may kill the line before it has a chance to get rolling. At that is something we should all be concerned about.

Same thing happened with 21c. Poor S1 schemes hurt them repeatedly and they probably lost the WM deal in large part to tons of unsold planes clogging shelves. Atlantic avenger vs. Pacific Avenger, being a prime example. They should also have sent the hot schemes to WM. Pappy Corsair, Witman tiger etc. Things that more people will recognize and be interested in buying.

The 88 was another gaff (and their last). S1 DAK. Mistake. I bought one. I would have purchased 4 dark greys. I ended up buying 2 more DAKs when MD blew them out at $30. Multiply my story by a few hundreds of other people and you get weak sales. At a time 21c really needed a home run to have any chance of survival they released the 88 in DAK and it was a bunt single...

To clarify, I never said being bummed out about the release of a two seat trainer was splitting hairs. I was concerned about people not buying such an ambitious offering as a 1/18 scale F-15, which nearly everyone on this board has been dreaming about for as long as I have been here solely based upon a S1 paint scheme. As far as the SU-27 is concerned I completely understand where you are coming from and it is a matter of personal taste. Personally, I will pick up the SU-27 regardless of the version they offer, but that's just me. It's just way to cool of a bird to pass up. You raise great points in regards to 21st Century releases but the first time I saw 1/18 scale warbirds on the shelves at TRU I was blown away. I immediately bought the two planes with no regard to the paint schemes. I was just amazed someone built warbirds in that scale. And again, that's just me and I understand there are far pickier people out there. That's the beauty of this board, we all get to voice our opinions in a manner that is readily accessible by the manufacturers themselves. They can get a good grasp of what we want from this hobby and it seems to be working fairly well. In the end, we will have to wait and see for sure what paint schemes JSI releases. They have already changed the scheme for the P-38 and they could just as easily change any of the paint schemes for the three modern jets as well. Lets just hope they release them.

gburch · Post by **gburch** » Wed May 13, 2009 7:28 am

I'm sure an Israeli F-15 won't be as popular as a first release, but I'm a big fan of the IDFAF and will definitely buy it and, being a "China hand," will also go for the PLAAF Flanker, without doubt. Pairing it with a Zero will make a nice, ironic display.

supersonicfifi · Post by **supersonicfifi** » Wed May 13, 2009 7:32 am

I will pick up all Three models ! the F 15 E was on my wish list the ISRAELI version is even more intersting because it's an upgrade of the USAF one ! so you can repaint it in dark grey if you wish !

I think i will drill some hooks in the wall and hang them vertically ! i am out of shelves places !!!!!!!!!

Philippe

Grilledcheese · Post by **Grilledcheese** » Wed May 13, 2009 7:41 am

I am all over that Strike Eagle, even if it is in IDF colors. Hell, if necessary I'll repaint that sucker to USAF myself.
The Shenyang I'll buy too, partly just because it exists, and mostly because it's still a sexy beast of an airplane. I'd rather a single seater, but I just can't pass on another FRIGGIN' HUGE 1/18 JET.
One thing to note, however, and my apologies to the manufacturers if necessary: I will not be purchasing multiple repaints of the same plane, especially at $200+ a pop.

I'd rather be able to eat and have electricity.

Jeffrey

dragon53 · Post by **dragon53** » Wed May 13, 2009 7:50 am

I'll pass on the Israeli f-15...I was hoping for a USAF 4th TFW F-15E.

Pa Deuce · Post by **Pa Deuce** » Wed May 13, 2009 7:56 am

aferguson wrote:if JSI is hoping for sales success in 1/18 scale they better get their act together. A 2 seat trainer in chinese airforce markings and an israeli F-15 ain't gonna cut it.

With high price tags and limited space, most people will not buy these models.

agreed - the sting of the almost awesome is hard to ignore - can we antipre-order, almost as a "no" vote?

supersonicfifi · Post by **supersonicfifi** » Wed May 13, 2009 7:56 am

NEXT STEP / THE DASSAULT RAFALE + EUROFIGHTER + F 22 !

Small Scale Military Headquarters

JSI also set to produce 1:18 F-15 Eagle and SU-27 Flanker?

ALL 3 !

NEXT STEP / THE DASSAULT RAFALE + EUROFIGHTER + F 22 !