21C and what we could/should have had. Here is the list.

tkjaer21 · Post by **tkjaer21** » Mon Apr 13, 2009 1:51 pm

I know that there are similar posts like this, but I wanted to give everyone a photo look and description of what we missed out on from 21C.

(-Perhaps much more as they competed with other 1:18 scale companies and those companies decided to not make their products for fear of losing a profit.)

Here is a list of all of the 1:18 scale militaria things that 21C has either teased us with in terms of making a mock up to produce or have canceled all-together All of which are new products only and not repaints. I believe that I have the full list that we know of. There are 16 items total:

Modern:
A-10 Warthog

Vietnam

PBR (Patrol Boat River)

Hooch

Watch Tower
-Not Shown-

M551 Sheridan

M38A1 Jeep w/ 105 Recoilless Rifle

M113 w/ Turret

AH-6 Little Bird

F-4 Phantom II

Mig 21 Fishbed

WWII

B-25 Mitchell

Ruins

Bridge

Government Building

King Tiger

A6M Zero

MG-42 · Post by **MG-42** » Mon Apr 13, 2009 1:54 pm

......... like I said in the previous thread ,..

............... AND THE LIST GOES ON ! ! !

....... howa' bout that Wittmann Tiger for 1 ?

.......... w/ zimmermit !

Mitch v MG

tmanthegreat · Post by **tmanthegreat** » Mon Apr 13, 2009 1:55 pm

Ah, all those neat things we could have had... I am most disappointed about the B-25, but that would have been very ambitious and considering 21c's track record with QC issues, probably an expensive disaster.

Still, there is no use wishing for something I can't have. I've got to concentrate on getting what little is left of 21c products

P39time · Post by **P39time** » Mon Apr 13, 2009 1:59 pm

And you guys wonder why 21st Century went out of business? How can a company announce so many products and not make them? What kind of management did they have? What a joke!

tkjaer21 · Post by **tkjaer21** » Mon Apr 13, 2009 2:18 pm

I just really with that they made the U.S. Patrol Boat, M551 Sheridan, King Tiger, F-4 Phantom and the Mig 21 Fishbed. Just think, 5 products that could have been a tax right off.

flyboy_fx · Post by **flyboy_fx** » Mon Apr 13, 2009 2:18 pm

tll me about it

man i i was in

flyboy_fx · Post by **flyboy_fx** » Mon Apr 13, 2009 2:21 pm

well like they say all good things come to an end.

digger · Post by **digger** » Mon Apr 13, 2009 3:58 pm

How can a company announce so many products and not make them?

Not all these pieces were "announced." They were shown at toy fairs, etc...but that doesn't mean much.

Stug45 · Post by **Stug45** » Mon Apr 13, 2009 4:11 pm

A-10 i wish that come out

AMERICAN_GRENADIER · Post by **AMERICAN_GRENADIER** » Mon Apr 13, 2009 4:27 pm

i met many of the 21C managment folks and had lunch with jim once and m.c. many times. they tried to do everthing and nothing at the same time. to many different visions. they never listened to retailers.
every year M.C asked what we wanted. i would say T-34,trucks,jeeps or 1/32 P-38. but every year nothing. they finally did a German truck and it sold like crazy but they didnt go into full production. so they had a limited release. very poorly run company in my opinion

Stug45 · Post by **Stug45** » Mon Apr 13, 2009 4:33 pm

If 21st starts up again i really hope they learn from their mistakes.

kduck · Post by **kduck** » Mon Apr 13, 2009 5:45 pm

It's not just the 1:18 stuff that never made it out the door. There was a ton of 1:6 stuff that got shelved or canceled for one reason or another. And the real shame of it is that they dropped out of the 1:6 market (except for the occasional carded weapon set) just when their 1:6 offerings were getting really good. Some of the last 1:6 stuff they produced is highly sought after. I've been searching for quite some time for the carded Russian Paratrooper set that they released in very limited numbers. I've never understood the mentality of this company. Maybe they didn't think they could compete with companies like Dragon and BBI but they didn't have to drop out of 1:6 almost completely. They were excellent at making carded uniform sets and they could have easily continued to do so.

And to get this post back on 1:18 topic, why in the world did they never rerelease the 1:18 FJ figures that people have been asking for for years? BTW for anyone interested in seeing some of the 1:18 and 1:6 stuff they had planned check out the 21C pages from this coverage of Toy Fair 2003: http://www.toymania.com/toyshows/tf2003/index.shtml

paulpratt · Post by **paulpratt** » Mon Apr 13, 2009 6:22 pm

They seem to have suffered from not having a singular cohesive vision to guide them on a mission of sorts; the proverbial mission statement.

Razor17019 · Post by **Razor17019** » Mon Apr 13, 2009 8:07 pm

We may have missed really cool stuff, but with the talent on this board we have seen some of these missed projects take life.
-M113 Armor upgrade from PH
-Various buildings and dioramas by talented individuals on our board
And other companies:
BBI has produced the Zero and Little Bird.

Jesse James · Post by **Jesse James** » Mon Apr 13, 2009 8:56 pm

Good stuff to think about. I really wish we got that bridge, those buildings, and the recoilless jeep... All great stuff.

But time rolls on and good things come in the future guys. no sense dwelling on the past guys. Something good will come along down the road I'm sure. I keep hoping some small companies I'm friendly with give figures a shot.

It may happen, ya never know.

immeww2 · Post by **immeww2** » Mon Apr 13, 2009 9:04 pm

Too bad some of those products never made it to production. Maybe BBI, FOV or some other company will take a hint and pick up where 21st left off.

Jay · Post by **Jay** » Tue Apr 14, 2009 12:19 am

Have you guys forgotten about Admiral Toys or what?

Razor17019 · Post by **Razor17019** » Tue Apr 14, 2009 5:22 am

Jay wrote:Have you guys forgotten about Admiral Toys or what?

No, we haven't forgotten about Admiral Toys, BBI or any other new company that may come out of this.
I think we are just having a wake at the death of an old friend.
What could have been. What was accomplished. Funny stories.
Just sad to see 21st Century go.

Jay · Post by **Jay** » Tue Apr 14, 2009 12:26 pm

.....perhaps it's because us Pacific folk never really saw 21st on a daily basis ie in toy / department stores. So the impact is like losing a distant cousin instead of a close family member. I shall however turn my headlights on and join the procession. :p51:

ARMY GROUP 1 · Post by **ARMY GROUP 1** » Tue Apr 14, 2009 3:03 pm

in the very early days they pictured a tan Kubelwagen with a roof. The one item in this list I was hanging most out for was that great looking bridge. I guess there is a mold out there for this, that will never see the light of day, what a pity.

Jesse James · Post by **Jesse James** » Tue Apr 14, 2009 6:42 pm

Actually I'd wager much of that stuff never had molds made... Molds are the most expensive piece of the puzzle,and usually once they're made that's a good sign that the item will be produced to some capacity to return what ever they can on the investment.

I'd be willing to bet the playsets never had molds, the PBR, etc. Possibly even the King Tiger regardless of rumors and such. Much of that stuff may only exist in one-off prototypes.

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