21C may still be around for us.

tkjaer21 · Post by **tkjaer21** » Fri Feb 27, 2009 9:24 am

From Toy Soldiers of San Diego's website's coming attractions section:

"21st Century has advised us that they will be releasing new products this spring. We do not know as yet what these might be, other than the WWII U.S. artillerymen sets that we have pictured here. As soon as we know more we will post it here."

http://www.sdsoldiers.com/coming_attractions.htm

That doesn't sound like they're going out of business to me. TSSD's site is all about 1/32nd scaled items, so there probably won't be any news on new 1/18th scale stuff there. I hope they still make 1:18.

MG-42 · Post by **MG-42** » Fri Feb 27, 2009 9:27 am

........ I don't know if I'd be taking that "to the bank".

Mitch v MG

tkjaer21 · Post by **tkjaer21** » Fri Feb 27, 2009 9:30 am

I got the post from the YoJoe forums.

gk5717 · Post by **gk5717** » Fri Feb 27, 2009 9:44 am

That has been on TSSD,s site for 6 months, don,t pay it much attention.

immeww2 · Post by **immeww2** » Fri Feb 27, 2009 10:16 am

Seems like the heartbeat of 21st is getting slower and slower with each day that passes without a word on the status of the company.

MG-42 · Post by **MG-42** » Fri Feb 27, 2009 10:18 am

......... and forget about calling them up , "Nobody's Home".

Mitch v MG

ostketten · Post by **ostketten** » Fri Feb 27, 2009 10:45 am

My guess is 21C is just going to go dormant for a while, probably for the next couple of years, and with new releases being few and far between during that time. I really doubt they are going to fold their tent completely.... as in forever....

When things begin to turn around economically and people have money to spend, I bet they will be back in the game. On the other hand, I don't think there is any doubt we are in for a long dry spell, and for you guys that collect only 1/18th I think you're going to feel the pain most and for a longer time.

Light.Inf.Scout · Post by **Light.Inf.Scout** » Fri Feb 27, 2009 10:58 am

I emailed TSSD to see what they had to say - below is their response:

HELLO BRIAN,

THE INFO ON OUR WEBSITE IS RECENT - BUT - THEY HAVE BEEN "VERY QUIET", AND
NOT WILLING TO "TALK FREELY" - AS TO WHAT IS GOING ON.

SO.......?

THE INFO I GOT IS FROM THEIR DOMESTIC SALES MANAGER, SO HE SHOULD KNOW(?)

THEY DID NOT ATTEND THE NEW YORK TOY FAIR, HOWEVER.

I REALLY DON'T KNOW IF THEY ARE STILL WITH US, OR REORGANIZING, OR WHAT!?

THANK YOU & BEST REGARDS,

NICK VERSTEEG
TOY SOLDIERS OF SAN DIEGO
760-723-6583

MG-42 · Post by **MG-42** » Fri Feb 27, 2009 11:04 am

........... oh , that figures. ... Typical response.

....... "no brainer there".

v MG

AMERICAN_GRENADIER · Post by **AMERICAN_GRENADIER** » Fri Feb 27, 2009 11:30 am

MG-42 wrote:......... and forget about calling them up , "Nobody's Home".

Mitch v MG

i talked with Gm M.Cordero yesterday they are "reorganizing" but plan on new releases. he wouldmt give me much else. except MD is clearing stock for them as i and others had thought. i did get the march stock list and a few items that were out of stock have been restocked. so some possible positive news. Michael is a great guy but he plays everything close to the vest. he would say much no matter what was going on!

MG-42 · Post by **MG-42** » Fri Feb 27, 2009 11:39 am

........... "ya' got lucky then".

v MG

PanzerArm · Post by **PanzerArm** » Fri Feb 27, 2009 12:07 pm

I just hope they still manage to get out those 1/32 British paras they showed us last year.

MG-42 · Post by **MG-42** » Fri Feb 27, 2009 12:09 pm

.......... yeah ! *

v MG

STUKA · Post by **STUKA** » Fri Feb 27, 2009 12:32 pm

gk5717 wrote:That has been on TSSD,s site for 6 months, don,t pay it much attention.

yeah those look like the same repaints seen at target since last spring.

Light.Inf.Scout · Post by **Light.Inf.Scout** » Fri Feb 27, 2009 12:35 pm

gk5717 wrote:That has been on TSSD,s site for 6 months, don,t pay it much attention.

Yeah - that is what I thought too. Their email says that is "recent" but that is at least a few months old.

usmcchet9296 · Post by **usmcchet9296** » Fri Feb 27, 2009 3:32 pm

One can only hope we get a King Tiger and A-10 maybe even a 8 Ton 1/2 track to pull that 88
I really want those

AMERICAN_GRENADIER · Post by **AMERICAN_GRENADIER** » Fri Feb 27, 2009 3:35 pm

King Tiger maybe
i doubt the A-10

immeww2 · Post by **immeww2** » Fri Feb 27, 2009 4:17 pm

Since there was some production photos of the KT posted on this forum sometime ago, I would think the parts are all in place to get them mass produced and out to the e-tailers. I wouldn't think they would go through all that time and expense to just produce a production model and stop completely. Would they?????

olifant · Post by **olifant** » Fri Feb 27, 2009 4:19 pm

immeww2 wrote:Since there was some production photos of the KT posted on this forum sometime ago, I would think the parts are all in place to get them mass produced and out to the e-tailers. I wouldn't think they would go through all that time and expense to just produce a production model and stop completely. Would they?????

They may have a desire to do the run but if you don't have the cash to fund the production it means nothing. Also, I don't think the 88MM was a money maker for them if they are dumping inventory so MD can sell them for $40.

usmcchet9296 · Post by **usmcchet9296** » Fri Feb 27, 2009 4:50 pm

olifant wrote:
immeww2 wrote:Since there was some production photos of the KT posted on this forum sometime ago, I would think the parts are all in place to get them mass produced and out to the e-tailers. I wouldn't think they would go through all that time and expense to just produce a production model and stop completely. Would they?????
They may have a desire to do the run but if you don't have the cash to fund the production it means nothing. Also, I don't think the 88MM was a money maker for them if they are dumping inventory so MD can sell them for $40.

MD was dumping whatever 21c had in the warehouse in AZ
if you look online there are 88's for retail all over its just luck we have happened to know of MD's sale.

coreystinson · Post by **coreystinson** » Fri Feb 27, 2009 7:41 pm

AMERICAN_GRENADIER wrote:Mitch v MG

i talked with Gm M.Cordero yesterday they are "reorganizing" but plan on new releases. he wouldmt give me much else. except MD is clearing stock for them as i and others had thought.
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Thank you. To the guy who supposedly had a conversation with Monkey Depot at their store, I guess they were B.S.'ing you eh? If it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck...

c44 · Post by **c44** » Fri Feb 27, 2009 7:46 pm

What are they reorganizing, their office furniture...?

AMERICAN_GRENADIER · Post by **AMERICAN_GRENADIER** » Fri Feb 27, 2009 8:15 pm

you cant blam MD if i got that deal i would keep it quiet aswell.
but it was to all our advantage. i bought stuff for my brick&mortar for half what i pay from 21C

Charlemagne · Post by **Charlemagne** » Sat Feb 28, 2009 7:27 am

I will be the first to admit that I have been one the first people to jump on 21C for leaking info on upcoming products that either did not come to production or possibly to discourage other manufacturers from making their versions. Anyway, maybe 21C has just adopted a policy of strict silence on new products until they are ready to hit the shelves. They may still yet pull a couple of rabbits out of the hat.

ostketten · Post by **ostketten** » Sat Feb 28, 2009 7:48 am

What are they reorganizing,

It's just another way of saying downsizing. Minimizing existing stock levels, reducing the product range, putting new projects on hold, laying off staff, just to name a few.... these could all be part of a "reorganizing" plan to hunker down and weather the economic storm.

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21C may still be around for us.

21C may still be around for us.

New releases from 21st

Wait 'til the 22nd century...