BBI Pavehawk helicopter

pickelhaube · Post by **pickelhaube** » Mon Jan 12, 2009 3:06 pm

Aviatornut.com wrote:I can't wait for this one.... my blackhawks have been needing this.
can you make a kit to turn a black/pavehawk into a seahawk?

I have no idea what the difference is. Got any pics ?

BTW I read over Mig 29's post on his mini. His barrel rotates. This will NOT be the case with mine.

I guess that I could do this but the guns WOULD be more than the helo.I am sure that I can match his detail but I need to make mine so I can mass produce them. By doing this some details may have to be sacraficed. But fear not if it will take to a mold it will be done.

CW4USARMY · Post by **CW4USARMY** » Mon Jan 12, 2009 7:14 pm

...............................and a Hind!

pcoughran · Post by **pcoughran** » Tue Jan 13, 2009 7:39 am

Pickelhaube,
The HH-60 has quite a few fairly major modifications. Check out MIG29K's post from a while back. It shows everything he did. This is also when he built the M134 miniguns (same build). It's not just moving the tail wheel up. The doors are totally different as well as the ordnance wings.
viewtopic.php?t=9214&start=0

pickelhaube · Post by **pickelhaube** » Wed Jan 14, 2009 6:01 pm

Well guys this will see the light of day. I have sent off for a Pavehawk 1/35 model and Matt from Foxhole is suppling the helo for this project as well as a 1/12 figure so I can scale up the mini gun.

This is in the works and hopefully work will start next week.
I think we Foxhole and me will sell 3 kinds of kits.

1. With everything, fuel probe radomes and mini guns.
2. Fuel probe and radomes.
3. Mini guns.

The thinking behind this is if you get the mini guns you will have to cut plastic on the helo to mount the guns.If you get the probes and radomes only all you would have to do is just mount them.
The third you can use the guns in any helo.

Let us know Fox Hole Toys ( Matt ) and me ( Matthew) if you are interested in them.

Sabrefan · Post by **Sabrefan** » Wed Jan 14, 2009 6:09 pm

Matthew, I will take all three! Thanks for your work.

Birddog · Post by **Birddog** » Wed Jan 14, 2009 6:18 pm

Sign me up for all three too!! I have a Blackhawk in need of them.

Thanks again for your work Pickelhaube!!

pcsguy88 · Post by **pcsguy88** » Wed Jan 14, 2009 6:42 pm

I definately want the guns. If I can afford the rest, I'll take it all. I will not have my Pavehawk for a week or 2, so can someone show me how to open the windows?

Coreyeagle48 · Post by **Coreyeagle48** » Wed Jan 14, 2009 6:49 pm

i'd take the domes and the probe pickelhaube

exether_mega · Post by **exether_mega** » Wed Jan 14, 2009 10:51 pm

I am in for the full kit

phil

pcoughran · Post by **pcoughran** » Thu Jan 15, 2009 7:47 am

Great to hear. I'll definitely get either #1 or #2 depending on the price. May get all three.
Can't wait.
I'm guessing these will be unpainted? Maybe you could figure out the best paint match for the BBI pavehawk camo colors for us and let us know so we can get the right colors to match it ourselves? I know this may not be as easy as it sounds - just thought I'd ask.

pickelhaube · Post by **pickelhaube** » Thu Jan 15, 2009 8:03 am

pcoughran wrote:Great to hear. I'll definitely get either #1 or #2 depending on the price. May get all three.
Can't wait.
I'm guessing these will be unpainted? Maybe you could figure out the best paint match for the BBI pavehawk camo colors for us and let us know so we can get the right colors to match it ourselves? I know this may not be as easy as it sounds - just thought I'd ask.

The plan is to paint all of the parts flat black. That should be a good base color.

paulpratt · Post by **paulpratt** » Thu Jan 15, 2009 11:02 am

If it's possible, I'd like to get all three as well.

pcsguy88 · Post by **pcsguy88** » Thu Jan 15, 2009 12:03 pm

How much for the kit to do this? I think Paul nailed it when he said this guy has income to spare.

pcsguy88 · Post by **pcsguy88** » Thu Jan 15, 2009 12:13 pm

Man, that guy even has an Apache and a Little Bird converted.

Spudkopf · Post by **Spudkopf** » Thu Jan 15, 2009 2:28 pm

G'day Mat

Put me down for a No.2 kit please.

Also additionaly to radar many of these birds also have FLIR pods located on the centreline just below the nose and IR detectors on the upper nose cheeks.....

Real images

CGI images

If you would consider added these items to your kits as well that would be great!

I'd also like to see a second set of drop tranks (so I can have four in total) so I can have a really long range bird.

Here are some walk arounds (this site is a great photo resource).....
http://www.primeportal.net/hangar/sal_p ... no/hh-60g/
http://www.primeportal.net/hangar/sal_p ... php?Page=1
http://www.primeportal.net/hangar/luc_c ... a_0-24542/

This Korean site has some gob-smacking images, you can just spend hours here, most images on these pages are linked to Hi-res versions and are excellent for reference material.

Part 2 http://kr.blog.yahoo.com/shinecommerce/ ... 1155814604
Part 3 http://kr.blog.yahoo.com/shinecommerce/ ... ml?p=1&t=3
Part 6 http://kr.blog.yahoo.com/shinecommerce/ ... l?p=12&t=2
Part 7 http://kr.blog.yahoo.com/shinecommerce/ ... ml?p=1&t=3
Part 8 http://kr.blog.yahoo.com/shinecommerce/ ... l?p=17&t=2
Part 9 http://kr.blog.yahoo.com/shinecommerce/ ... ml?p=7&t=2
Part 10 http://kr.blog.yahoo.com/shinecommerce/16394.html?p=1
Part 13 http://kr.blog.yahoo.com/shinecommerce/20698
Part ?? http://kr.blog.yahoo.com/shinecommerce/ ... ml?p=1&t=3

If only I could read Korean I'd probably be able to find the other missing parts

Here's a link to the CGI stuff they may also be useful as a reference.
http://www.cebas.com/news/read.php?UD=1 ... 88&NID=258

As you may have guessed I'm a tad interested in this project

Lastly the Helo I want most in 1/18th is a MH-47D (SOAR).....

pickelhaube · Post by **pickelhaube** » Thu Jan 15, 2009 3:42 pm

Hey Spud
I was planing to do the center view finder thingy. I am not sure how to make that shiny lens though. Unless you guys have any ideas I was going to leave that up to the modeler.
I do have a bunch of scrap clear styreen left over from vacuforming that I guess I could use. Maybe I will just cut a round dick and put it in the kit and let the modeler use it or not.

Spudkopf · Post by **Spudkopf** » Thu Jan 15, 2009 4:19 pm

Hey Mat'

The FLIR pod is basically a barrel/cylinder with a domed head so vacuum-forming the whole thing should be a viable proposition.

For FLIR lenses on solid items I usually use some chrome sticker medium that have which has been recoloured with textures, to try and mimic the highly (mirror like) reflective glass that appears to be used on these sensors.

So I’m good to go and use either a solid resin cast or vacuum-formed version of this item.

pickelhaube · Post by **pickelhaube** » Thu Jan 15, 2009 4:33 pm

I was not going to vacume the whole sensor. I was just going to use the clear plastic as a lens.

Spudkopf · Post by **Spudkopf** » Thu Jan 15, 2009 4:43 pm

Will you be doing both the HH-60 and MH60 radomes? I'n like to keep mine as an army SOAR version and not a USAF one.

MH images (largeish)

also some more HH refernce shots (warning quite large).....

.....and this would be brutal in 1/18th

Spudkopf · Post by **Spudkopf** » Thu Jan 15, 2009 5:08 pm

MH-60L walkaround.....
http://www.aircraftresourcecenter.com/A ... alk338.htm

pickelhaube · Post by **pickelhaube** » Thu Jan 15, 2009 8:31 pm

Hey Sud,
The pics you have are great. I still need some good shots of the rear of the boom. There is a fantastic shot of the probe tip. Alot of work inthat tip.

I guess I could do the big nose radome. Maybe in a second series. It would determine how the first series takes off. 2 versions of the same radome is a bit much. But if there is a big call for it you know it will be done.

pickelhaube · Post by **pickelhaube** » Thu Jan 15, 2009 9:47 pm

It looks like there are 2 mounts for the mini cannon. One that is totaly external with the ammo can outside of the cab and one that is internal mounted on a square tube type mount. Mig 29 did the internal mount.

The external one is good that you do not have to cut up the cab. But it is outside with a large belt feed , large ammo can and large mounting support. More work = more money.
The internal one's mount is a lot simpeler but you have to cut the cab to get it inside. Again this is the one Mig -29 did. Simple = less money.

Which one will it be guys ?

Birddog · Post by **Birddog** » Thu Jan 15, 2009 10:33 pm

Internal mount is my vote....

Spudkopf · Post by **Spudkopf** » Fri Jan 16, 2009 2:40 am

Mat’

I’ve always thought that the probe tip resembles the tip of a ball point pen, I wonder if there are any oversized pens out there that could be used as a basis for this part, alternatively the seeker head of a 1/48 scale AA missile (Russian) may be a good source as well.

I'm sure I found a close up of the rear part of the fuel probe somewhere once, as I recall it consists of a fairly hefty cast collar attachment, I'll dig around and see what I can find.

As far as the radome goes, seeing it is the same radar unit on both helo's the bulb cover is the same for both, with only the rear mounting being different. if the radome was made in two parts (bulb and mount) this would then lead to les duplication.

Spudkopf · Post by **Spudkopf** » Fri Jan 16, 2009 4:22 am

Reference images.....

Various Blackhawk walkarounds.....

http://www.aircraftresourcecenter.com/A ... alk609.htm HH-60G Pavehawk

http://www.aircraftresourcecenter.com/A ... alk461.htm HH-60G Pavehawk

http://www.aircraftresourcecenter.com/A ... alk599.htm HH-60G Pavehawk

http://www.aircraftresourcecenter.com/A ... alk233.htm HH-60G Pavehawk

http://www.aircraftresourcecenter.com/A ... alk338.htm MH-60L

http://www.aircraftresourcecenter.com/A ... alk158.htm MH-60G

http://www.b-domke.de/AviationImages/Blackhawk.html

http://www.grubby-fingers-aircraft-illu ... round.html

Hope that some of this stuff helps?