$55 88mm gun on ebay

[King O' Fools]

But I’d gladly pay $80 for a grey 88 (especially since there doesn’t seem to be many QC issues with this model).

>>> No offense "KOF" but , I don't think you'd be happy w/ the new 88 anyway cause it does have a certain issue w/ it.

* All the barrels seem to be @ some sort of angle or another. They're all bent or cocked one way or another.
So you wouldn't be getting a perfect model. * LoL ! ! ! *



Mitch v MG

Speaking of non-sequiturs, we all know what I really, really want is a PHP model for $50 bucks... Or someone doing their job right just for once?

Thing is I’ve bought some excellent models from 21st in the past (the marine land camo Super Cobra comes to mind), but more often than not, they’re plaged with easily avoidable QC issues which 21st doesn’t seem interested in addressing, even as they raise the price tag on their items.

[GooglyDoogly]

But I’d gladly pay $80 for a grey 88 (especially since there doesn’t seem to be many QC issues with this model).

What I’m not considering is buying one (at that price or even lower) which I then have to repaint because 21st (for whatever reason) has a notion to release what’s probably the least popular scheme first. If they make their bed, they should sleep on it.

Well, I wasn't recommending anyone to buy the 88mm in order to save 21st. I was just reminding people the folly of "waiting" in this hobby. I waited for the XD Cobra. Now I have to pay $200+ for it on Ebay... if I could find one.

How many of us here "waited" for a particular model? How many "waited" for a Spitfire? P-38?

I guess it really depends on the person. If the 88mm is a "must-have" for you, but don't like the DAK scheme, You might as well buy one now. It's cheaper to buy paints than fork over Ebay prices for one of these once the supplies run dry.

And that's not taking into account the exhorbitant shipping cost, mind you, which I'd have to pay regrdless of the price tag of the item.

$34.95 for EMS shipping isn't really exorbitant. Try to ship an item of similar size and weight overseas, and you might be surprised. If you're gonna stop buying stuff because you think that $35 is too steep of a price for EMS shipping overseas...then I guess you won't be buying anything internationally for a while.

So the total price for that particular 88mm is $89.94 with EMS, and $77.94 via Airmail. Still pretty cheap.

Sorry but I have no use for a DAK 88 and will NOT take responsibility for 21st's lousy business management decisions.

I will buy the 88 if and when it's produced in German grey. So thanks, but no thanks.

Like I said previously. It would be cool if 21st would release a grey or a three-tone camo of the 88mm. But at least I know that even if they don't, I have the big-scale 88mm model I always wanted.

I have paints. I'm okay with painting.

And I wouldn't have to whine about high prices on Ebay or on other e-tailers in the future.

Ps: Last time I checked collectors did not have any responsibility to keep 21st or any other company alive. I may be wrong, though.

Yep you're wrong. I never said we have to buy the 88mm in order to save 21st.

I just merely said that was one of the factor of 21st's downfall. Spotty distribution, and poor management also played a huge part.

But hey, it's fine. Don't buy it. It gives other people who really want an 88mm a chance to get one.

I can't wait for your rant when Badcat sells the 88mm on their Private Reserve for $200 in the future.

[MG-42]

>>> You'll change your tunes real fast when you find out there's not going to be any more re-paints made.

* Tough times ahead for 21st. paying bills to China right now.



v MG

Amen to that. And this is the epitome why this scale is dying.

If people can't be persuaded to fork over less than $80 for such a detailed, and huge model piece like the 88mm....then yeah. Goodbye 21st 1/18 line.

21st might as well go the PTE route and make toy-looking tanks designed for kids.

>>>


v MG

[popeye357]

Not to stir anything up, but why is the DAK scheme so unpopular? I got the 88 for xmas and I love it!

[MG-42]

* I guess cause we ain't got no DAK vehicles to go w/ it , except the figures.

* I love mine too.

........... The ETO seems to be the more popular choice however.



Mitch v MG

[Stug45]

MG-42 is right. I wish there was Dak vehicles.

[MG-42]

* Another reason too is , the fact that there ain't enough Pz.IV's to go round so that we can re-paint them , if we want to.

>>> long or short-barreled !



v MG

[King O' Fools]

Well, in my case I’m still playing catch-up. I never actually “waited” to get any of those rare items (Super Cobra, Huey, Spitfire, etc.) when they first came out, so I guess I don’t have any regrets in that regard. Thus, I don’t mind paying higher prices for these items because I was not around to buy them when they were released by the manufacturer.

Sure, $89.94 for an 88 shipped overseas is cheap. Heck, I’d be willing to pay even more for an 88 custom repaint (wink, wink, nudge, nudge). But to me it’s a real pain in the derrière to have to pay that sum for a model I then have to repaint myself. More so if there’s the slightest possibility that 21st will come up with a gray version in the future, which may or may not happen, but I’m willing to take the risk.

Mainly because I’m under the impression that this was a sound strategic sales move (read a clever marketing ploy, or so they must have thought) on the part of 21st: releasing the 88 in DAK colors first, so collectors who might have bought a grey one but who do not want to risk taking any chances will buy one also now, then releasing a grey or tri-color version later on. Maybe they didn’t expect/foresee the economic downturn that has come about.

Otherwise, I can’t really see the logic behind their decision to release the DAK version first. If there were more DAK items out there, I would buy the 88 in a heartbeat, but right now there’s only the 88 and a rather elusive, hard to find Panzer IV out there that I know of that Mitch just mentioned (and, yes, I wish there were more vehicles to go with the 88 gun). The 88 is a very nicely detailled model, but an excellent artillery piece all by itself is a little dull in my opinion, even if it’s an 88 (hence the “need” for a more common paint scheme choice).

And I don’t have a problem with price scalping (whether real or imagined), as long as the seller or etailer in question doesn’t try to sell you a rare, long out of production aircraft that can still be acquired from several popular online retailers for a significantly lesser amount of money. It doesn’t seem right to do that to collectors who could be potentially repeat customers.

In fact, the price of some of the items in Bad Cat’s Private Reserve is quite reasonable (especially from a European perspective), I think:

http://www.badcataviation.com/fwbl12121ce1.html

http://www.badcataviation.com/metr121ce102.html

I’d gladly buy from them (and they know it) were it not for the fact that they charge exhorbitant shipping rates. I happen to think that this is a very bad business decision on their part, just like 21st’s choice of S-1 paint scheme.

[King O' Fools]

* Another reason too is , the fact that there ain't enough Pz.IV's to go round so that we can re-paint them , if we want to.

>>> long or short-barreled !



v MG

Yep, that's the reason why I didn't order the custom Wirbelwind turret from Pickelhaube.

[aferguson]

a repaint panzer iv is long overdue........unfortunately i fear the price tag of such a release. It would be pretty hard to justify anything over $50 or so, though as the tooling costs must be paid for by now with the myriad of releases so far, both regular and r/c.

[hworth18]

a repaint panzer iv is long overdue........unfortunately i fear the price tag of such a release. It would be pretty hard to justify anything over $50 or so, though as the tooling costs must be paid for by now with the myriad of releases so far, both regular and r/c.

I don't think it is a matter of paying for the tooling, but just paying the pastdue bills for existing production costs.

If the rumors are true, and 21st really has lost Walmart, we can pretty much kiss 1/18 (and probably 1/32) Goodbye.

[hotrodrock]

Who says the DAK color is so unpopular? I haven't heard of any problems with sellers moving them. Not sure you can even really refer to it as DAK. Take a look at reference books of German armor on the Eastern front and see how much of it has a sand color of some shade. Too many people confuse the sand color with being specificaly a DAK related color. Why did FOV choose that color for their first release of a 1/18 Tiger? It certainly wasn't a version of a tank used in North Africa. It was simply because so many German vehicles were painted a sand color or a variation of it for camo purposes. Dirt is not grey. Everybody keeps waiting for the 21st KT. Think its going to be any shade of grey?