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Nazi aircraft carrier "Graf Zeppelin found?
Posted: Thu Jul 27, 2006 8:02 am
by theToyFederation
Re: Nazi aircraft carrier "Graf Zeppelin found?
Posted: Thu Jul 27, 2006 12:49 pm
by Wieslaw
theToyFederation wrote:pretty cool if true
It's true. It was confirmed today in our TV. I wonder, if it is really impossible to pull it out of the water
The ship could be one of the greatest military attraction in Poland (but not Polish
).
Posted: Thu Jul 27, 2006 3:43 pm
by KAMIKAZE
If I'm not mistaken, I think the Russians had stuffed it with Type XXI submarine sections and other war booty before they attempted to tow it home. I would rather raise this ship than the Titanic. Do you know if it is in one piece.
Mark
Posted: Thu Jul 27, 2006 4:09 pm
by Wieslaw
KAMIKAZE wrote:If I'm not mistaken, I think the Russians had stuffed it with Type XXI submarine sections and other war booty before they attempted to tow it home. I would rather raise this ship than the Titanic. Do you know if it is in one piece.
Mark
If I good understood, yes, it is in one piece.
Wieslaw
Posted: Thu Jul 27, 2006 5:00 pm
by tmanthegreat
Very cool find! Its a wonder Germany didn't ever use it in battle, especially during the early years of the war when its navy had some degree of autonomy. Aircraft carriers, obviouly, were not a priority for Hitler, he instead being seduce by the more romantic image of the powerful (if impractical) battleship. That's not to say that he didn't plan on building carriers, only that most of the ideas were given target dates for 1946...
From the sound of it, the Graff Zepplin is in pretty deep water as the Polish exploration team was having to use ROVs to examine it. Given that its been underwater for 60 years the wreck would invariably be too fragile to pull up, in addition to it being too massive.
There is a model kit of the Graff Zepplin (as it would have appeared when operational) made by the Revell company. I've only seen it for sale in Europe, but it could also be avaliable in the US. This is the box art:
xd
Posted: Thu Jul 27, 2006 8:04 pm
by kevrut
I have never heard of a German carrier before today. Huh,... you learn something new every day.
Posted: Fri Jul 28, 2006 1:03 am
by RED
KAMIKAZE---What kind of War Booty was on the ship????---RED---
Posted: Fri Jul 28, 2006 8:23 am
by VMF115
Posted: Fri Jul 28, 2006 8:27 am
by VMF115
xd
Posted: Fri Jul 28, 2006 9:50 am
by kevrut
Thanks VMF.
Posted: Fri Jul 28, 2006 12:00 pm
by KAMIKAZE
To answer your question Red. Everthing the Russians could stuff into her from the local area (tech wise) that Russia though might aid her in the post war era. There was also a second carrier that was planned but it was cancelled much earlier in the program.
Mark
Re: xd
Posted: Fri Jul 28, 2006 12:52 pm
by VMF115
kevrut wrote:Thanks VMF.
Your welcome kevrut
Posted: Sun Jul 30, 2006 6:22 am
by demonclaw
tmanthegreat wrote:Very cool find! Its a wonder Germany didn't ever use it in battle, especially during the early years of the war when its navy had some degree of autonomy. Aircraft carriers, obviouly, were not a priority for Hitler, he instead being seduce by the more romantic image of the powerful (if impractical) battleship. That's not to say that he didn't plan on building carriers, only that most of the ideas were given target dates for 1946...
You can thank Göring for that
"Though Raeder continued to assure Hitler that the carriers would be built, the Admiral's war with Göring had no truce and became increasingly bitter. Göring showed his contempt for the naval air arm by informing Hitler and Raeder that the aircraft ordered for Graf Zeppelin could not be available until the end of 1944. Göring's delaying tactics worked."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_air ... f_Zeppelin
