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Post by Birddog » Sun Jul 26, 2009 12:18 am

VMF115 wrote:Not with modern GPS and jdam
What do you think the A-10C has now....

VMF115 wrote:makes the A-10 stand out is its avenger gun, longer loitering time , and its durability.....
You just proved my point as to why it can't be beat for Close Air Support. Not shoot and scoot like all the pointy nose aircraft.

Air to air combat is what CAP flights are for.
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Post by Birddog » Sun Jul 26, 2009 12:21 am

VMF115 wrote: If your operating far from an A-10 operating base speed has everything to do with it. especially if you are a grunt and you are about to be overrun... you don't want it in 10 min you want it NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!
That's what mission planning is for. To have the assets available when and where needed.


The A-10 is doing a great job of CAS in Afghanistan:

http://www.afcent.af.mil/news/story.asp?id=123159825


VMF115 wrote: Bird Dog you need to eat something your hunger strike is effecting your brain....lol :lol:
The only thing that is affecting my brain is your theory that the F-15E is better at Close Air Support than the A-10... :roll: :D
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Post by VMF115 » Sun Jul 26, 2009 12:45 am

What do you do if the enemy ambush you...how do you plan for that?
Sure if you are planning an operation in advance you can have the luxury of scheduling the A-10 for air support. but what about those routine patrols and special ops missions that need air cover fast.
lets just say both are good....and when the F-15E comes out maybe The a-10 will follow behind it....

We all know you are salivating to get your beloved bird...... :lol: :P :lol:
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Post by Birddog » Sun Jul 26, 2009 1:09 am

VMF115 wrote:What do you do if the enemy ambush you...how do you plan for that?
Sure if you are planning an operation in advance you can have the luxury of scheduling the A-10 for air support. but what about those routine patrols and special ops missions that need air cover fast.
All missions are generally planned at some point. That is when you work out having assets on station somewhere in the event they are needed for things such as ambushes. Granted the A-10 may not be the asset needed for every situation, but when it comes to Close Air Support it's the best. The F-15E is the best for what it is intended to be, a Strike fighter.
VMF115 wrote:lets just say both are good....and when the F-15E comes out maybe The a-10 will follow behind it....
I agree both are good aircraft, but I and I think many others would rather see the A-10 get produced in 1/18 before the F-15E if given the choice.
:wink: :D


Now, back to the F-14............. I think this would be a cool paint scheme for JSI to look into:

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Post by VMF115 » Sun Jul 26, 2009 1:17 am

Birddog wrote:
I agree both are good aircraft, but I and I think many others would rather see the A-10 get produced in 1/18 before the F-15E if given the choice.
:wink: :D
That is a big assumption remember people did want the A-10 cause BBib and 21st where rumored and promised to look into the possibility of making one..while the possibility of an F-15 was very remote a few years ago. now since it is a possibility that thee will be an F-15E I am sure that it will have a large numbers of supporters and will be a successful product....even if they are not present on this board. remember we are a small majority.
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Post by Birddog » Sun Jul 26, 2009 1:55 am

VMF115 wrote:
Birddog wrote:
I agree both are good aircraft, but I and I think many others would rather see the A-10 get produced in 1/18 before the F-15E if given the choice.
:wink: :D
That is a big assumption remember people did want the A-10 cause BBib and 21st where rumored and promised to look into the possibility of making one..while the possibility of an F-15 was very remote a few years ago. now since it is a possibility that thee will be an F-15E I am sure that it will have a large numbers of supporters and will be a successful product....even if they are not present on this board. remember we are a small majority.


I don't think people "just" wanted an A-10 because of what 21st or bbi did or didn't do. If you pay attention not just to this board, but visit many other boards with collectors of 1/18 such as those for GI Joe, the A-10 is always at the top of the request list for 1/18 modern jets. Rarely do I see the F-15E there. The A-10 has appeal to a broader range of people than the F-15. Even some GI Joe collectors that are very picky about size and price would pick one up to turn into a Cobra Rattler just as some have mentioned doing to the 1/18 F-14.

Does hearing the prospect of or seeing the prototype for an aircraft in 1/18 make people go "I want that" , I'm sure it does to some extent. However, I'm willing to bet if JSI were to put a 1/18 A-10 protoype (like the one 21st had or bbi has as we've heard) up next to their 1/18 F-15 prototype and ask which one should we do first, the A-10 would win.

This board may be a minority in the 1/18 hobby, but you would be surprised at how our voices are heard by the manufacturers. With brick and mortar stores out of the picture to push their agendas, I hope the manufacturers will hear them even more. We just don't need to expect everything for nothing.. :wink: :D


Now let's stop hijacking this thread, back to the F-14...... :D
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Post by NSA » Sun Jul 26, 2009 9:40 pm

The front landing gear on the F-14 DOES look to have an area for the spring loaded system, so theoretically it will be able to compress like the real thing.

The display model Merit had did not have the new landing gear w/ springs installed in the front, so we'll have to wait and see.

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Post by Black_Dragon_One » Sun Jul 26, 2009 10:09 pm

VMF115 wrote:
Birddog wrote:

Shame on you....forget the F-15E for ground support....the only true plane for that is the A-10!! :wink: :D

Go Ugly Early!!!
The F-15E can go supersonic, the A-10 is subsonic if they are 300 miles away which one will get to the troops in need first?

Ground troops don't care what type of air support they are getting, when the $hit hits the fan any ground support aircraft with bombs will do the trick.

Infantry: we need air support pronto we are being flanked by the enemy
ground combat controller: we got two F-15E inbound.
Infantry: that's a negative we need the avenger gun on the A-10
ground combat controller: it will take 15 mins for them to get to you.
Infantry: Ok send in the F-15E


F-15E pilot: target acquired, GPS locked in, bombs in route.

Infantry: Holy $hit those strike eagles just knocked the living $hit out of the enemy.

Infantry we get to live another day.

I think that the f-15E and Su-27 are more then likely to be made if the economy is sound late next year. also it would be a poor decision to make announcement of two planes and then pull back...we have seen this already........there are three things that will kill this hobby:
economy, bad business decisions, and making announcements and not following through.

We can all agree about the last two. :wink:


i need my su fix.. hay the sqeaky wheels get the oil as i said again wait and see..

i like there schudle the su the f15 then the a10...

i go for the su.. i love something to shoot at... after the f14
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Post by Black_Dragon_One » Sun Jul 26, 2009 10:10 pm

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F 14 invasion

Post by supersonicfifi » Mon Jul 27, 2009 5:45 am

F 14 invasion !!!!!

This one is close to 1/18 : http://www.bananahobby.com/1884.html

i can't wait ..... :wink:



PS : aferg , our RC & scale specialist could confirm the scale of this one ?
1/18 mirage 2000 & RAFALE should i say more ?

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Post by supersonicfifi » Mon Jul 27, 2009 5:56 am

Concerning the close air support i will speak for the French part (Yes there is some french air assets in AFGHANISTAN !)

I've just finished this book :

http://www.aviation-publications.com/ra ... romain.htm

From a RAFALE pilot using laser & GPS guided bombs and the.... GUN !

The speed is very much appreciated since the RAFALE is supersonic WITH it's weapon load (either 4 laser or 4 GPS proppeled bombs)

But on many occasion they used their 30 mm high velocity (= long range) canons !!!!

So to close all debate concerning the A 10 or F 15 E firsts ( for me bring me both quick :wink: ) i would say we need a RAFALE First !!!!!
1/18 mirage 2000 & RAFALE should i say more ?

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Post by supersonicfifi » Mon Jul 27, 2009 6:00 am

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1/18 mirage 2000 & RAFALE should i say more ?

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Re: F 14 invasion

Post by cranedriver » Mon Jul 27, 2009 7:05 am

supersonicfifi wrote:F 14 invasion !!!!!

This one is close to 1/18 : http://www.bananahobby.com/1884.html

i can't wait ..... :wink:



PS : aferg , our RC & scale specialist could confirm the scale of this one ?

Wow the RC F-14 is awesome and it actually flies and get this......... comes with pilots!!!!! Take that JSI!!!
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Post by aferguson » Mon Jul 27, 2009 7:21 am

that's the same one i've been talking about for over a year now....just under a different label. Happens all the time with these chinese r/c planes...lots of pirating of designs. Quite nice. A bit bigger than 1/18...1/17.6 i think, something like that.

Just the plane alone, without the expensive r/c gear can be had for $190, probably less in time, as it just came out. Comes painted, just need to apply the decals.
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Post by supersonicfifi » Mon Jul 27, 2009 9:03 am

Aferg. that's what i was thinking but i was not sure !

Do you plan to get one ? ( i would like to see it displayed next to the jsi one !) 8)

It's really a super model ! the photo are great and gives a rough idea of the size of our JSI model !!!!
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Post by VMF115 » Mon Jul 27, 2009 11:59 am

supersonicfifi you are going to have a looooong wait to see a RAFALE while I would love to see the RAFALE in 1/18th, I don't think we will see one anytime soon, unless a European toy company makes one.
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Post by supersonicfifi » Mon Jul 27, 2009 1:01 pm

of course I know that !!!!

But i am seriuusly planning to see JSI reprentatives (does anybody's got a good contact with them ? )

I am working 500 m from the DASSAULT HEADQUARTER and plan to see some representative with a F 16 & F 18 !

i would need somes infos (quantities , break even point , etc ...) to launch a production .... someday !

RAFALES really rules but i could wait with my F 14 & F 15 ... and Su 27 !
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Post by VMF115 » Mon Jul 27, 2009 1:17 pm

supersonicfifi while you are at it look into the Dassault Mirage III, DASSAULT F-1, Tornado, SEPECAT Jaguar, Eurofighter Typhoon, Saab J-35 Drakken Jet, Saab Gripen, and the Saab 37 Viggen, I bet all these would sell well in Europe... :wink:
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Post by Coreyeagle48 » Tue Jul 28, 2009 7:09 pm

Greetings

Let's all take a breath shall we.

This is the exact same thing that happened when a lot of the 21st and BBI products were out, people kept wanting more more more.....now now now. If I recall, part of the reason why the representatives of the companies have bailed out on this board is because people kept asking for more information and wanting more than could possibly be given.

JSI is set to rerelease several planes and build three new planes. An F-14 is awesome and I personally never thought I'd see one. The F-15E and SU-27 are also excellent examples of modern aircraft. I would like to see many aircraft in 1/18, but I know they will not happen. I accept that and will buy those in other scales. Everyone needs to take a step back here and be at least thankful that this company is willing to try 1/18. If I was a businessperson in this economy and other issues, I wouldn't be so excited to try it. They obiviously see a great market, let's keep that for them.

Now, for the A-10 folks. The A-10 is a great aircraft and I know it is a great aircraft. The PA ANG operates them very near where I live and they fly over my house daily. The A-10 I hope gets made, but if it doesn't, that's okay too. We already have several great 1/18 aircraft. Allow this company to make this group of aircraft and let's see where they go from there.

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Post by HardenSteel » Tue Jul 28, 2009 9:25 pm

I'm getting one of each - starting with what ever comes out first.

In this case it looks like a very nicely done F-14.

A Harrier would do quite nicely for close ground support, as well.

Think of what THAT would be like in 1/18 scale.

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Post by tmanthegreat » Tue Jul 28, 2009 11:34 pm

Well put, Corey! There are a lot of planes I'd love to see get made in 1:18 that have either been proposed or are on my "wish list." Thankfully, one of those was the F-14 :wink: I can't waste too much energy griping about what I would like to get made, it just has to happen or it doesn't. I'm simply glad that JSI is tackling the large modern jets as it pushes this what can be done in 1:18 and this hobby to new heights.

It is very much like when 21c decided to defy the odds and make 1:18 scale tanks and planes back in 2000, or when BBI decided to go the next step and make the F-18 and the 21c the Avenger... and well you get the picture. We should be happy for what we are getting than getting at each other's throats over what is not being made.
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Post by Black_Dragon_One » Tue Jul 28, 2009 11:34 pm

Coreyeagle48 wrote:Greetings

Let's all take a breath shall we.

This is the exact same thing that happened when a lot of the 21st and BBI products were out, people kept wanting more more more.....now now now. If I recall, part of the reason why the representatives of the companies have bailed out on this board is because people kept asking for more information and wanting more than could possibly be given.

JSI is set to rerelease several planes and build three new planes. An F-14 is awesome and I personally never thought I'd see one. The F-15E and SU-27 are also excellent examples of modern aircraft. I would like to see many aircraft in 1/18, but I know they will not happen. I accept that and will buy those in other scales. Everyone needs to take a step back here and be at least thankful that this company is willing to try 1/18. If I was a businessperson in this economy and other issues, I wouldn't be so excited to try it. They obiviously see a great market, let's keep that for them.

Now, for the A-10 folks. The A-10 is a great aircraft and I know it is a great aircraft. The PA ANG operates them very near where I live and they fly over my house daily. The A-10 I hope gets made, but if it doesn't, that's okay too. We already have several great 1/18 aircraft. Allow this company to make this group of aircraft and let's see where they go from there.

Corey
ditto that... i just worry we see nothing again ....
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Post by Birddog » Wed Jul 29, 2009 1:23 am

Coreyeagle48 wrote:Greetings

Let's all take a breath shall we.

This is the exact same thing that happened when a lot of the 21st and BBI products were out, people kept wanting more more more.....now now now. If I recall, part of the reason why the representatives of the companies have bailed out on this board is because people kept asking for more information and wanting more than could possibly be given.

JSI is set to rerelease several planes and build three new planes. An F-14 is awesome and I personally never thought I'd see one. The F-15E and SU-27 are also excellent examples of modern aircraft. I would like to see many aircraft in 1/18, but I know they will not happen. I accept that and will buy those in other scales. Everyone needs to take a step back here and be at least thankful that this company is willing to try 1/18. If I was a businessperson in this economy and other issues, I wouldn't be so excited to try it. They obiviously see a great market, let's keep that for them.

Now, for the A-10 folks. The A-10 is a great aircraft and I know it is a great aircraft. The PA ANG operates them very near where I live and they fly over my house daily. The A-10 I hope gets made, but if it doesn't, that's okay too. We already have several great 1/18 aircraft. Allow this company to make this group of aircraft and let's see where they go from there.

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I'm glad to hear you like seeing the A-10s from the 111th. Enjoy them as much as you can because sadly, they won't be there for long. Their A-10s are being moved out to other bases as part of BRAC.

As far as mine and VMF's posts, it was a healthy conversation about which aircraft is a better Close Air Support platform. :wink: :D

As far as what ran some of the manufacturers off of this board, it wasn't us telling them or letting them now what we want to see in the way of subjects. What has disheartened them and ran some of them off is/was:

1. The costant complaining about what the subjects they have chosen to do lacked in the way of detail and trivial inaccuracies. I understand that people don't want a subject that has glaring inaccuracies, but rivet counting kills the morale of a manufacturer. This somewhat leads into to the next one.

2. The constant complaining about not getting a model within months of the official announcement that it is going to be made. Especially when that official announcement is made along with pictures of a prototype. This is compounded even more when a manufacturer takes the time to fix the trivial details or inaccuracies pointed out by collectors when they present the prototype of a nicely done subject that they are very close to putting into production. Especially when some of those trivial inaccuracies cause the majority of the subject to have to be re-designed. Don't forget that this causes additional unplanned costs on the manufacturer and pushes a release date further down the road. I can also imagine that the economy going bad during all of this isn't a postive for a manufacturer dealing with this issue either.

3. Your comment about wanting more, more, more has truth to it, but not in the form of us letting them now what subjects we want or are interested in as you say. It's when we want more and more detail, but then complain about the price tag that accompanies the subject when/if that detail is added, that is what disheartens the manufacturer. I call it wanting something for nothing.

Now as far as anyone here voicing what subject they want JSI to make, that is something they should do. I know from personally talking to manufacturers that isn't an issue. Sometimes we can be a bit pushy :D , but that isn't what runs them off. If anything it serves to let them know what we want to see and gives them a path to hopefully follow. When a collector asked Merit's representative at Comic Con last week what the possibilities of seeing a 1/18 A-10 from JSI were, the Merit representative asked the collector:

What would fans lke to see more from JSI a 1/18 A-10 or a 1/18 F-15E?

This was an inquiring question posed by the Merit representative, not an annoyed response. With the relationship between Merit and JSI, this to me is a good opportunity for us to let them know what we as fans want. They asked. This also signals to me that the other two proposed subjects might not be to far in development for schedule changes. (With the F-15E I don't see how since we have seen photographic proof that the a well advanced prototype does exists.). If JSI is a new company to the playing field and for some reason isn't aware of the desire by many for a certain subject, we should make an attempt to voice it to them and hope to hear they have heard us.

For those of us that want a 1/18 A-10, the future is very very bright and more hopeful now than ever with the production of a 1/18 F-14 and a company that appears to be willing to tackle the 1/18 modern jets. A-10 fans can't help it if we want to make sure that JSI and Merit hear our voice. We are excited at the prospects. No one here knows what capabilities JSI truly has at this point. If the F-14 does well, they may have the ability to squeeze another modern jet into the line up for next year.

Bring on the F-15E and SU-27, I'll be purchasing a couple of each and hope they do very well. Just keep in mind that A-10 fans asking JSI for a 1/18 A-10 will become more prevalent if these two subjects make it to production. :wink: :D



Now again, let's get back on track with this thread about JSI's F-14...... :D
Go Ugly Early in 1/18!!

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Post by VMF115 » Wed Jul 29, 2009 2:01 am

looks pretty far advanced to me

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Post by Birddog » Wed Jul 29, 2009 2:13 am

As I mentioned in my post..:)

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