FW-190

gburch · Post by **gburch** » Wed Apr 22, 2009 1:06 pm

Any low-down on the differences among the various Fw-190 versions? Anything to avoid or especially valuable?

Website · Post by **Teamski** » Wed Apr 22, 2009 3:00 pm

Early versions of the FW-190 such as Red 3 had very weak landing gear (which I discovered right away when I snapped one off immediately after opening the box), requiring a redesign, that came with later schemes. Which ones were modified I don't remember now. The rarest of the lot is the European release "14", I forgot which color it is. The rarest US version of the FW-190s I believe is Blue 12, which is the prettiest of the series, IMHO.

Hope this helps!

-Ski

flyboy_fx · Post by **flyboy_fx** » Wed Apr 22, 2009 3:27 pm

Teamski wrote:Early versions of the FW-190 such as Red 3 had very weak landing gear (which I discovered right away when I snapped one off immediately after opening the box), requiring a redesign, that came with later schemes. Which ones were modified I don't remember now. The rarest of the lot is the European release "14", I forgot which color it is. The rarest US version of the FW-190s I believe is Blue 12, which is the prettiest of the series, IMHO.

Hope this helps!

Mine broke but then i fixed and it will NEVER break again

-Ski

Website · Post by **Teamski** » Wed Apr 22, 2009 4:14 pm

flyboy_fx wrote:
Teamski wrote:Early versions of the FW-190 such as Red 3 had very weak landing gear (which I discovered right away when I snapped one off immediately after opening the box), requiring a redesign, that came with later schemes. Which ones were modified I don't remember now. The rarest of the lot is the European release "14", I forgot which color it is. The rarest US version of the FW-190s I believe is Blue 12, which is the prettiest of the series, IMHO.

Hope this helps!

Mine broke but then i fixed and it will NEVER break again

-Ski

Same here. I had a thread on the repair a long time ago. I simply melted a metal pin in place of the broken one, split the wings and re-installed the gear.

-Ski

Post by **aferguson** » Wed Apr 22, 2009 4:25 pm

i have had no problem with the landing gear on mine...but i tend to leave them in one position and not open and close repeatedly.

Quality control was variable on these. I have some gaps and glue smears on my 3.

However, i like them all very much.

gburch · Post by **gburch** » Wed Apr 22, 2009 5:59 pm

Thanks for the info. I see what LOOKS LIKE a "Red 3" on eBay -- but it's in a "Motorworks" package -- I assume that's another brand 21c marketed under -- is that right?

gliderdwm · Post by **gliderdwm** » Wed Apr 22, 2009 6:11 pm

I also had problems with the landing gear. I could not get the wings apart so I removed the landing gear and drilled a hole through the piece where the tabs are broken and than slid and glued a new piece in. Much better and stronger. I do not know about newer versions. I have the Red 3, Michaelski and the Black 1. All of these are the same. The 190D came in the motorworks boxes and also the 21st boxes. Motorworks was the Walmart releases I believe

Website · Post by **Teamski** » Wed Apr 22, 2009 6:25 pm

gliderdwm wrote:I also had problems with the landing gear. I could not get the wings apart so I removed the landing gear and drilled a hole through the piece where the tabs are broken and than slid and glued a new piece in. Much better and stronger. I do not know about newer versions. I have the Red 3, Michaelski and the Black 1. All of these are the same. The 190D came in the motorworks boxes and also the 21st boxes. Motorworks was the Walmart releases I believe

Exactly, Motorworks is a Walmart namebrand that 21st used for their products through that chain.

-Ski

Ta-152 · Post by **Ta-152** » Thu Apr 23, 2009 5:40 am

Another thing to keep in mind is that Red 3 and Michaelski came without the armored canopy shroud.

tmanthegreat · Post by **tmanthegreat** » Thu Apr 23, 2009 8:56 am

Also, the first of the first Red 3 FW-109s did not have the loop antenna mounted on the bottom of the aircraft. Instead, the part was still afixed to the control stick, which it was adjoined to during the injection moulding process.

My Michaelski FW-190 (an early example from Wal Mart in the Motorworks box) came with the armored canopy shroud, but I recall the Red 3 plane I first had - and then later sold - did not. My Black 1 and Black/Blue 12 planes have the shroud.

I even recall the later Michaelski planes in the regular 21c boxes having smaller stenciling labels than the first run.

Funny all the little changes that occurred with the FW-190

Ta-152 · Post by **Ta-152** » Thu Apr 23, 2009 9:16 am

My Blue 12 had the antenna on the stick.

Was 12 S.3 or 4?

gliderdwm · Post by **gliderdwm** » Thu Apr 23, 2009 6:37 pm

The Blue 12 was S4

grunt1 · Post by **grunt1** » Thu Apr 23, 2009 7:00 pm

tmanthegreat wrote:Also, the first of the first Red 3 FW-109s did not have the loop antenna mounted on the bottom of the aircraft. Instead, the part was still afixed to the control stick, which it was adjoined to during the injection moulding process.

That's hilarious.. I'll have to check mine.

B-24Sharky · Post by **B-24Sharky** » Fri Apr 24, 2009 2:37 pm

I just checked my Red 3 and sure enough the antenna is on the control stick. I remember tearing the box apart and looking all over the floor thinking it fell off when I opened it.

Website · Post by **Teamski** » Fri Apr 24, 2009 3:51 pm

What's funny is that we figured this out when the plane first came out, hehehehe...... Time flies, hey?

-Ski

Killerf6 · Post by **Killerf6** » Fri Apr 24, 2009 3:58 pm

I never realized that some came without the shroud until this thread. I had to look at my red 3 and blue 12 to confirm the difference. Does anyone know if this historically correct?
I knew about the antenna, on the control stick and chose to leave mine there on my red 3.

Website · Post by **Teamski** » Fri Apr 24, 2009 4:49 pm

Killerf6 wrote:I never realized that some came without the shroud until this thread. I had to look at my red 3 and blue 12 to confirm the difference. Does anyone know if this historically correct?
I knew about the antenna, on the control stick and chose to leave mine there on my red 3.

No it's not. 21st missed it on the first go-around.

-Ski

tmanthegreat · Post by **tmanthegreat** » Fri Apr 24, 2009 5:35 pm

The tail wheel also retracts/extends. I'm sure most you know about that already, but back in the day when these were first out, it took me a while to figure it out

tko211 · Post by **tko211** » Sun Apr 26, 2009 6:56 pm

I just posted a custom painted Dora in the customs archive. It's Barkhorn's mount.
For those curious...

uksubs · Post by **uksubs** » Mon Apr 27, 2009 3:31 pm

Just got a Fw 190 with a broken hood

Any tips on how about replacing it would be great

Thanks in advance

pickelhaube · Post by **pickelhaube** » Mon Apr 27, 2009 3:46 pm

uksubs wrote:Just got a Fw 190 with a broken hood
Any tips on how about replacing it would be great
Thanks in advance

Broken hood ?

The canopy or the cowling ?

uksubs · Post by **uksubs** » Mon Apr 27, 2009 3:59 pm

pickelhaube wrote:
uksubs wrote:Just got a Fw 190 with a broken hood
Any tips on how about replacing it would be great
Thanks in advance
Broken hood ?

The canopy or the cowling ?

The canopy