p-47 repaint

VMF115 · Post by **VMF115** » Fri Mar 28, 2008 4:05 pm

P-47

What kind of repaint do you guys want to see?

olifant · Post by **olifant** » Fri Mar 28, 2008 4:07 pm

Wolfpack for sure. Gabbie in particular would be nice...

Rogo · Post by **Rogo** » Fri Mar 28, 2008 4:17 pm

Ditto... Gabby!

Rogo

GooglyDoogly · Post by **GooglyDoogly** » Fri Mar 28, 2008 4:37 pm

Gabbieeeeeeee

Sabrefan · Post by **Sabrefan** » Fri Mar 28, 2008 4:42 pm

Francis S. "Gabby" Gabreski. This is a classic P-47 scheme. He had 28 kills with the 56th fighter squadron, and he went on to fly F-86s in Korea. He had 6.5 kills in Korea.

Quixote511 · Post by **Quixote511** » Fri Mar 28, 2008 7:07 pm

Yes, I want Gabby. He is a member of the Polish brotherhood. Also, I would like to see a 324th FG - 316th FS Jabo from the Italian campaign. Mainly because I just bought a grouping to one of these guys. Not many air to air kills for these guys, but they sure lit up the ground.

dragon53 · Post by **dragon53** » Fri Mar 28, 2008 7:25 pm

My P-47 wish list:

1. Gabreski's P-47D with the RAF camouflage
2. "Eileen" without the defects (missing antenna and gunsight)

tmanthegreat · Post by **tmanthegreat** » Fri Mar 28, 2008 8:40 pm

Gabreski, for sure and perhaps Schilling's plane as well

My personal favorite would be Col. Harold Comstock's mount (also a 56th FG scheme) as that particular pilot is a friend of mine

olifant · Post by **olifant** » Fri Mar 28, 2008 9:41 pm

tmanthegreat wrote:Gabreski, for sure and perhaps Schilling's plane as well My personal favorite would be Col. Harold Comstock's mount (also a 56th FG scheme) as that particular pilot is a friend of mine

Is he related to the Comstock of NSA fame?

dragon53 · Post by **dragon53** » Sat Mar 29, 2008 9:10 pm

TKO211 seems to suggest that 21st Century may release a new 1/18 P-47 this year.
If so, will it be the same 1/18 P-47 as before including its defects (missing antenna and gunsight)?
Or will 21st Century release a NEW-MOLD P-47?
Any educated guesses?

USCGSARdog · Post by **USCGSARdog** » Sat Mar 29, 2008 9:25 pm

I don't know about an educated guess, but my dumb guess would be that it will probably be a rehash of the same old mold. I would imagine that in these uncertain economic times, 21C is looking to get as many miles as possible out of the molds they have already paid for......... if in fact there is to be a new/repainted P-47 released at all.

-Rob

dragon53 · Post by **dragon53** » Sun Mar 30, 2008 1:32 pm

USCGSARDOG:

Well, if there really will be a re-release of the P-47, I hope it has an antenna and gunsight to go along with a Gabreski P-47D paint scheme.

Quixote511 · Post by **Quixote511** » Sun Mar 30, 2008 3:40 pm

Dragon---I highly doubt there will be any modifications made to the mold. To add a gunsight would be cost prohibative in my estimation. Other than the screw covers on the later TBMs, I don't think 21st has ever modified a mold.

As far as a reissue of the Spit goes, don't you think something is rotten in Denmark? 21st has to have seen the prices realized on eBay. There has to be something going on behind the scenes that has held up any repaints. They haven't done any repaints since the initial productions. Like I said, there is more than meets the eye here.

Flytiger · Post by **Flytiger** » Sun Mar 30, 2008 6:15 pm

Anything in the field-applied camo version of the 56th would be nice, and Gabby's would be the 1st preference to go along side the signed photo from some years back.

Frankly, I think the alleged gunsight/antenna issues are meaningless for about 99% of potential buyers.

If you want 100% accuracy and a provenance to back it up you need to move up several levels into the non-toy display product realm.

tmanthegreat · Post by **tmanthegreat** » Sun Mar 30, 2008 6:54 pm

olifant wrote:Is he related to the Comstock of NSA fame?

Not sure on that one, but if you type his name into Google, several decent biographies pop up. Certainly not the most decorated pilot in the ETO, but he was an ace in the 56th FG. He later flew F-100s in Vietnam and I believe Hobbymaster is making a 1:72 scale version of his jet. There was also a 1:48 scale prepainted P-47D kit made by Revell. The box info - according to Comstock himself - misattributed the plane to Zemke, even though Comstock flew that particular plane and his noseart "Happy Warrior" was on it

Here's a couple articles:
http://notes.clovisusd.k12.ca.us/news/c ... enDocument

http://www.airportjournals.com/Display. ... ID=0607010

dragon53 · Post by **dragon53** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 6:00 am

21st Century did a new mold for the P-51, which obviously had accuracy problems.

Why not do a new mold for a new 1/18 P-47---no antenna or gunsight is a BIG accuracy problem. There is a credibility/accuracy issue at stake here. I hope 21st Century is up to it---if they are releasing a new P-47.

Also, when I was a kid, Monogram released a 1/48 Gabreski P-47D, but I never found it in the stores, so I'm hopeful 21st will release a Gabreski P-47D---with an antenna and gunsight.

tmanthegreat · Post by **tmanthegreat** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 10:11 am

dragon53 wrote:21st Century did a new mold for the P-51, which obviously had accuracy problems.Why not do a new mold for a new 1/18 P-47---no antenna or gunsight is a BIG accuracy problem. There is a credibility/accuracy issue at stake here. I hope 21st Century is up to it---if they are releasing a new P-47.

Very true, however both P-47 types are FAR more accurate to the actual plane than the 21c first-series P-51s ever were. Sure they have their glaring mistakes: oversized cockpits & canopies, missing gunsights, missing antennas, tabs on the landing gear doors, etc. but its not nearly as bad as the S1 P-51s or even the P-40. 21c had to do the P-51 retooling literally to save face with its competitors and because it is one of the most classic and recognizable planes from WWII. The P-47 is a different story as 21c is the only company to have made one and collectors and history buffs aside, it is not as well known as the Mustang.

In that case I wouldn't mind a P-47 repaint, especially if it was a 56th FG plane

dragon53 · Post by **dragon53** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 12:53 pm

TMANTHE GREAT:

If 21st is too lazy and/or cheap to do a new mold for the P-47, I suggest it simply include an antenna and gunsight as separate pieces, so the buyer can glue the 2 missing parts to the P-47 just like in a plastic model kit. That is a cheap, cost-effective solution---and better than a P-47 without an antenna.
That way, it's a win/win situation for 21st and the consumers.

tmanthegreat · Post by **tmanthegreat** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 2:25 pm

Agreed, dragon! Heck, even BBI does it to an extent when they included the extra cannon barrels with their Corsairs. 21c even sort of did that in the past with the spare "soft" antenna for the F-104s.

The parts can be customized, though

Rogue · Post by **Rogue** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 5:33 pm

GABBY!

pickelhaube · Post by **pickelhaube** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 5:37 pm

Rogue wrote:GABBY!

I am in as well.

vulgarvulture · Post by **vulgarvulture** » Wed Apr 02, 2008 12:42 pm

I'm all for the Gabby, no doubt.

But I'd sure like to have a Tarheel Hal in 1:18. Seems to me too that a flashy livery like that would sell well to a wider i.e. non-hardcore 1:18 XD audience at TRU.

VMF115 · Post by **VMF115** » Wed Apr 02, 2008 12:52 pm

"Gabby" has the most votes.

I am in for a Gabby as well.

King O' Fools · Post by **King O' Fools** » Wed Apr 02, 2008 1:07 pm

vulgarvulture wrote:I'm all for the Gabby, no doubt.

But I'd sure like to have a Tarheel Hal in 1:18. Seems to me too that a flashy livery like that would sell well to a wider i.e. non-hardcore 1:18 XD audience at TRU.

This one would really look gorgeous in 1/18.

dragon53 · Post by **dragon53** » Wed Apr 02, 2008 5:14 pm

Flogging a 1/18 dead horse----the 1/32 P-47 "Tarheel Hal" comes with an antenna.