[+] New 1:18 bbi 109 / The Black Devil of Ukraine 1943

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Re: [+] New 1:18 bbi 109 / The Black Devil of Ukraine 1943

Post by Snake Man » Wed Oct 05, 2011 1:38 pm

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The bottom lettering is may be the planes initial markings after the factory, once a pilot and number and group is established, they painted over it, the white squiggle means 4th group. My problem with it is the white 2 and the squiggle are to high, they should be more centered on the cross. Also this is where a good modeler could make the plane look 1000% better, the bottom letters/numbers should be faded and weathered, they were painted on long before the white ones were painted over and yet they appear to have been painted on 10 minutes latter. Yes Snake man is right, there is no reason for the black spot on the bottom of the cowling, that is an air intake, no exhaust comes out the back either, that is unless the engine is on fire :lol:[/quote]


Exit areas on aircraft with a lot of service time on them tend to get staining and streaks from minor leaks of oil or glycol, but intake areas never get that problem. Liquids tend to make streaks, rather than the type of stains that the model has. (Been around aircraft over 40 years !!) I still think it looks great, though !!

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Re: [+] New 1:18 bbi 109 / The Black Devil of Ukraine 1943

Post by gburch » Wed Oct 05, 2011 5:45 pm

Mine arrived at the office today. I couldn't resist, and took a few minutes to open the box. Wonderful model, and very nice packaging. But at six birds, I can say I have enough 109s now!

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Re: [+] New 1:18 bbi 109 / The Black Devil of Ukraine 1943

Post by smittyrob64 » Wed Oct 05, 2011 5:55 pm

Don't have anything made by BBI, but I'm thinking about getting one of these.
Seem like a lot of people say these are better than 21st's 109s?
The photos certainly look good.

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Re: [+] New 1:18 bbi 109 / The Black Devil of Ukraine 1943

Post by flyboy_fx » Wed Oct 05, 2011 8:17 pm

These are 100000x better!
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Re: [+] New 1:18 bbi 109 / The Black Devil of Ukraine 1943

Post by Jnewboy » Wed Oct 05, 2011 8:26 pm

flyboy_fx wrote:Exercising my limited knowledge in markings suggests, the aircraft, "White 2" is of III Gruppe (The little squiggle), .7 staffel (Because the markings are white).
1st group - no marking
2nd group - one horizontal bar
3rd group - one vertical bar
4th group - squiggle

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Re: [+] New 1:18 bbi 109 / The Black Devil of Ukraine 1943

Post by tmanthegreat » Wed Oct 05, 2011 8:40 pm

smittyrob64 wrote:Seem like a lot of people say these are better than 21st's 109s?
The photos certainly look good.
It is a much superior tooling in nearly every way compared to their 21c counterpart, but it also compliments them as a different model variant. Discounting the variations between the G2 and G6 B-109s, both the S1 and S2 BBI Bf-109s really have the edge in accuracy, detail, and a few cool features like the opening engine. The plane also looks more "pulled together" than the 21c version with its correct landing gear and correct radio mast/antenna than the 21c Bf-109 as well. For me, the most serious drawbacks with the BBI Bf-109 are the over-riveted surfaces (hard to see though), the canopy which doesn't lock, and the tiny pilot figure.
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Re: [+] New 1:18 bbi 109 / The Black Devil of Ukraine 1943

Post by flyboy_fx » Wed Oct 05, 2011 8:50 pm

Jnewboy wrote:
flyboy_fx wrote:Exercising my limited knowledge in markings suggests, the aircraft, "White 2" is of III Gruppe (The little squiggle), .7 staffel (Because the markings are white).
1st group - no marking
2nd group - one horizontal bar
3rd group - one vertical bar
4th group - squiggle

There are 2 types of squiggles.


These are both of 3rd group

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These are of 4th group

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Staffel color assignment when there were three Staffeln composing a Gruppe
Staffel Gruppe Color
1. I. White
2. I. Black or Red
3. I. Yellow
- - -
4. II. White
5. II. Black or Red
6. II. Yellow
- - -
7. III. White
8. III. Black or Red
9. III. Yellow
- - -
10. IV. White
11. IV. Black or Red
12. IV. Yellow



Staffel color assignment when there were four Staffeln composing a Gruppe
Staffel Gruppe Color
1. I. White
2. I. Black or Red
3. I. Yellow
4. I. Blue
- - -
5. II. White
6. II. Black or Red
7. II. Yellow
8. II. Blue
- - -
9. III. White
10. III. Black or Red
11. III. Yellow
12. III. Blue
- - -
13. IV. White
14. IV. Black or Red
15. IV. Yellow
16. IV. Blue
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Re: [+] New 1:18 bbi 109 / The Black Devil of Ukraine 1943

Post by smittyrob64 » Wed Oct 05, 2011 9:06 pm

Thanks for the additional info on the BBI version. Guess I'll be buying myself a birthday present.

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