1/18 Ho-229 Project Build ( Retired ) !!

[snake]

I am fine with flat, but solid, PH.

Think that would be the best way to go. But this does seem like a "democratic" build, so let the other guys chime in.

[Jay]

The decals sound fine. As for the guns. I'd say whatever is easiest for you Matthew. I am more enclined to go with a more realistic appearance, but if it means more work for you and more rebuilding of moulds then i say just flag it. I'm down for a kit version anyway so I can always tweek parts or custom make parts down the road.

[Crazy Kraut]

I would prefer the flash suppress in flat, but solid and the decals in Fw190D9-Style.

[Jnewboy]

Flat and solid, I can always drill them out by hand. Or not put them on at all, Im on the fence on that one and will decide when I build it, theres something thats so cool about the streamline look of the Horton, I may not like the look of protruding cannons....

Question, where is the shell casing disbursement slots on the Horton? Are you going to make them?

The decals are easy, thin white crosses on top, wider (but not to wide) black crosses on the bottom

[flyboy_fx]

That's my vote.!

[pickelhaube]

The white on top and plain black on the bottom.

Done !! That will be simple.

The swastikas are bigger than the standard fin swasties.

So what would you guys want on that ? The double white outlines or just a single white out line ?

My other orders are starting to back up so I may get another day in on the build and then I need to get on the orders before guys start getting mad at me.

[Jnewboy]

These are available at monkey depot, I think they will work.

They are 1 & 1/2 inches across diagonally from tip to tip, which is how they are placed on the drawings....

Thats not big enough??

[pickelhaube]

The 1 1/2 on a diagonal swastikas are actually 1 inch square. They are too small. I did a little drawing and came up with either 1 1/8 or 1/14 inch swastikas.

I need as much of you to weigh in on this.






I also got the engine cones mounted and the rear engine pods/cone mounted as well.

It now looks like a Horten !!!!






Please remember to leave feed back on those swasties. Once they get printed that is it .

[1958Zelda]

Everything Just looking great,I vote for the 1 1/4 Swastikas.

[snake]

1 1/4 " swastika's look better, Matthew.

She is looking more and more like a Horten everyday.

[YT]

Wow that looks good. 1 1/4 on the swastikas.

[Jay]

I honestly can't decide so 1¼ sounds fine.

[CW4USARMY]

Sorry for late reply Matt, we live where the tornados hit so are still withoutnpower and just got my iPad up and running on cellular.
I'll go with whichever size you decide on. It's going to look great regardless!

[pickelhaube]

As far as the swastikas goes it looks to be unanimous on 1/14 inch size. As far as accuracy goes. The size and location would probably not go were they are located. The jet blast would probably obliterate them after a couple of flights. More than likely they would have been located on the rear side of the engine nacelles.

BUT THEY DO LOOK COOL ON THE TAIL FEATHER.

That is what we will go with 1 1/4 INCH INCH SWASTIKAS..

As far as the crosses go. Here are the 1/48 kit's decals.



As you can see there is NO solid black crosses for the bottom of the wing. Just the Stuka style crosses for the bottom. But there is a choice of thin or thick solid white crosses for the top.

So if a model maker makes these are they accurate ?

The kit I am using is the Dragon 1/48 scale Horten. I think that this kit is the only one on the market other than their night fighter version.

So it seems that we are going in circles on this. Give me your feed back on this to get this ball rolling.

The solid black crosses on the bottom of the wing will be tons EASIER TO DO.

But the STUKA STYLE are on the models decal sheet.

SHOULD IT BE ON OURS ?

I Just checked out the Stuka bottom wing crosses. THEY ARE HUGE !!!!!!

I need to scale the crosses off of the decal sheet.

I need to talk to Jackson to see how much it will be to have an option on the decal sheet. I do know that the " white " printing color is a lot more expensive to print.

I will try to call him today and see.

[normandy]

Pickel, things seem to be moving along nicely. I've been away for a few days....as for the crosses, the solid black for the bottom and thin white for the top wing sound good to me.
The pics with the cockpit canopy and engine assembly look fantastic!!!

[1958Zelda]

Solid black on bottom,thin white on top.

[plasticboy]

Wow.......... I can't believe another one of your masterpiece coming so quick!!

[aferguson]

had the plane actually come into service, it is most likely that the crosses on the bottom would have been the low viz outline type corsses, like the white upper wing crosses only in black. This is because, at that time of the war, low viz and camouflage was of a very high priority to the germans.

The reason why a lot of late war german aircraft had the solid 'stuka style' crosses on the bottom was because they wanted them to be higher viz, so they wouldn't get picked off by their own anti aircraft guns. But with the Horten, the shape was so distinctive that the risk of a mis-identification from the ground would have been much lower, so a higher priority on low viz would be allowed, hence the low viz crosses being more likely to have been used.

That said, had these planes reached squadron service, it is probable both styles of crosses would have been seen in use. I think the lower viz ones are cooler, having a more late war feel than the 'stuka style' ones but since this is somewhat fictional, i would go with what the customer base wants.

[Jackson]

Agreed Aferg... I think low viz would be more in tune with what the Luftwaffe would use at that time in the war... but then again solid black swastikas and black outline only underwing balkankreuzes would be appropriate as well...TJJ

[Jnewboy]

But with the Horten, the shape was so distinctive that the risk of a mis-identification from the ground would have been much lower

The roar of the jet engines couldn't hurt either!

[pickelhaube]

OK Here we go. Jackson and I have been back and forth and this is what we have come up with. These decals will come with the kit.

Last time for feedback and what the general consensus will be the determining factor.

I am going with the 21st Messerschmitt crosses they are slightly bigger than the Dragon 1/48 scale cross but they look right in size.

Swastikas 1-1/4 inch square with about 2.44 mm wide WHITE OUTLINE
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Bottom wing cross 2 inch across and 1/4 inch thick in BLACK



Top wing cross 2-1/4 across 1/8th of an inch thick in WHITE.



This is it. I think that this is what we are going with.

THIS WILL BE THE LAST TIME FOR FEEDBACK. IF THE POPULAR VOTE IS YES .

IT WILL BE DONE IN THESE SIZES.

Maybe something will be done 100% on this build !!!

[normandy]

I'll go with YES on these.

[Jay]

Yes. Sounds fine to me.

[aferguson]

i forgot to mention the swastikas before. The size you have planned seems too large to me and they would probably have been placed towards the rear of the engine nacelle sides as this is the rear most vertical surface. Unit codes and iron crosses would have been place towards the front of the nacelles. So the swastikas should be smaller in order to fit on the nacelles, in my view. The white outline style is ideal. It is possible that no swastikas would have been used at all. They definitely would not have been placed where you have them for the reason you stated in your earlier post. Here is a good model pic:

http://www.aircraftresourcecenter.com/G ... en/00.shtm

note it shows no swastikas....if they were used, the engine nacelle rears would be the place fo them. Having said that, i am only offering advice and am not one of the people who has purchased one of these. I may well do so down the road, as it's looking pretty juicy, but you should probably go with what the people who have put up the funds would prefer.

BTW this would make a great project for you sometime:

http://airfixtributeforum.myfastforum.o ... 14458.html

[aae83]

I'll cast my vote with the majority regarding the markings. The wing is looking awesome.

-- aae83