1/18 type 99 val kit r/c

Post by **aferguson** » Mon Mar 29, 2010 8:26 pm

http://cgi.ebay.com/DUM315-Type-99-VAL- ... 518d3c9db2

just found this on ebay. Looks ok. If you enlarge the picture you can see that it's a stick and tissue type kit, i think. Could maybe cover it with a heavier material and paint it so the formers aren't visible. It's the right size and comes with molded parts and decals.

Dumas makes a bunch of planes in this range. All about 30 inch span, including a fiesler storch and do 335, which would both be about 1/18 scale.

Putting it out there for interested parties.

normandy · Post by **normandy** » Tue Mar 30, 2010 5:55 pm

Cool looking kit! Oh and the seller is in East Northport here on the Island.

B-29 · Post by **B-29** » Tue Mar 30, 2010 7:30 pm

Seen the same kit in Historic Aviation. I'll probably get one eventually.

Post by **aferguson** » Tue Mar 30, 2010 7:41 pm

built up it's going to look sort of 'faceted' due to all the ribs sticking out through the covering material. But it's the only game in town and likely to always be the only game. I imagine from several feet away it will look pretty good. I've always liked Vals for some reason.

It's 1/18.7 scale. Live withable.

Coreyeagle48 · Post by **Coreyeagle48** » Tue Mar 30, 2010 8:09 pm

Greetings:

If you would cover this with R/C aircraft covering like coverite, this will look much better and help to hide the rib look considerably. It will also be much more durable than the tissue covering.

Corey

flyboy_fx · Post by **flyboy_fx** » Tue Mar 30, 2010 8:57 pm

Cover it in thin balsa.

pickelhaube · Post by **pickelhaube** » Tue Mar 30, 2010 9:03 pm

Coreyeagle48 wrote:Greetings:

If you would cover this with R/C aircraft covering like coverite, this will look much better and help to hide the rib look considerably. It will also be much more durable than the tissue covering.

Corey

I am not sure what cover rite is but if it like monocoat the ribs and all will still show.

Balsa planking is not that easy to do . Then you have the fill to contend with and then. Balsa grain is very hard to cover. They do make a 2 part epoxy just for that. It is sandable and you spread it on with a pocker card. Then sand , then spread and then sand . Then pime then touch up then sand then prime again and after about 10 times you will be ready to paint.

I have a long history building R/C planes.

flyboy_fx · Post by **flyboy_fx** » Tue Mar 30, 2010 9:44 pm

Oh.. Ell I believe you!

vmf214 · Post by **vmf214** » Tue Mar 30, 2010 11:06 pm

Coreyeagle48 wrote:Greetings:

If you would cover this with R/C aircraft covering like coverite, this will look much better and help to hide the rib look considerably. It will also be much more durable than the tissue covering.

Corey

That will actually enhance the ribs/spars.

The materials you refer to of course require heat and alot of shrinking and this kit is not designed for that unless you beef it up. Silkspan is the best for the smaller delicate airframes and that's applied with standard balsa dope, shrinks but not near as much as the heat applied stuff for larger r/c. But, ya got ribs. I'm actually working on this kit and when get further along will post some pics of how I'm covering it, there will be no ribs or spars showing. It's a pretty good kit but the wing roots are flat out goofy and the tail surfaces are mishaped if built by the plans. It also doesn't come with a seperate cowl so am making one. I plan to finish this one as a static display as a companion for the Bbi Zero and am going to build one for control line.

Post by **aferguson** » Wed Mar 31, 2010 5:10 am

i'll be very interested to see how it turns out vmf214. I'm pretty keen on getting it but have no experience building a kit like this.

digger · Post by **digger** » Wed Mar 31, 2010 6:01 am

This looks AWESOME next to the other birds..

CW4USARMY wrote:Received the R/C F-117 and put it together. Here's links to a few pics. Its rainy like crazy right now so cant get good lighting in the pics but this gives you an idea of size. You wouldnt believe this is styrofoam. I was thinking it looked a little big for 1:18 but after looking at real pictures and size comparisons to personnel and other aircraft, its just about dead on.
Thanks to Aferg for pointing me toward some of the R/C offerings

http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/bc ... directlink

http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/p7 ... directlink

http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/Qz ... directlink

http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/Of ... directlink

Post by **aferguson** » Wed Mar 31, 2010 9:16 am

on an r/c forum a guy said he covered his planes with Doculam. What's that?

Coreyeagle48 · Post by **Coreyeagle48** » Wed Mar 31, 2010 8:07 pm

Greetings:

Had to post this for all the Val lovers here

This plane has faithfully attended World War II Weekend at Reading every year for the past several years. It's actually a BT-13 conversion. It has a smoke system and ends up getting "shot down" by one of the attending Corsairs

VMF 214, very interested to see your Val when it is done. Do you still build Rufes?

My Grandfather used to build these for me and built them straight from the box. I had an ME-109, P-40, Fokker Triplane and some others. The only problem was as they got older, the covering got weak and eventually you just pushed through them. All mine were thrown away because they were just full of holes. Hopefully something can be used that is more durable over time. I just remember mine being very touchy.

Corey

Post by **aferguson** » Sun Apr 03, 2011 10:37 am

digging up this old thread....anyone have any new ideas how to best cover his kit? I'm very tempted to get it but am afraid it will end up lookng like sh..., er, not very good.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... K:MEWAX:IT

pickelhaube · Post by **pickelhaube** » Sun Apr 03, 2011 10:51 am

There is another option.

After building it up you could smear Bondo in the ribs and sand, sand , sand.

Balsa sheeting would not be that easier. Because you need to cut the balsa plank it on and sand and fill.

The Bondo will smear fairly easy and it is cheap. And so-so easy to sand.

Back up the spaces with paper towels, masking tape or paper so the Bondo does not puch through.

Post by **aferguson** » Sun Apr 03, 2011 10:58 am

that's an interesting idea. The only snag i see is in knowing how much to sand where, as the ribs will all be covered by the bondo. I guess you could just sand until the ribbing just starts to appear and eyeball the shape to ascertain when to stop sanding. Best idea so far.

I was thinking of using paper model techniques, and cutting up sections of thin poster board and gluing it over top of the ribs. There arent alot of compound curves on the Val, so it might work decently. I think i like the bondo idea better though. A bit labour intensive but with sturdier results.

flyboy_fx · Post by **flyboy_fx** » Sun Apr 03, 2011 2:50 pm

I have seen some really thin balsa and that might work to plank the wings.... THe body would be ruff I bet.

Jnewboy · Post by **Jnewboy** » Sun Apr 03, 2011 3:14 pm

I would try different primers until you found one that liked the cloth, then do about 5 or 6 good coats over a few days then a light sanding, the spray the whole thing with a sealer. I may get the storch, Ill keep you all posted.

Airacobra · Post by **Airacobra** » Sun Apr 03, 2011 4:23 pm

Silkspan or really thin balsa would work. Search the rc groups board for Guillows electric conversions under the scale electric section. There are people that sheet planes that are designed for rubber powered free flight with balsa. Here is a link to a Guillows P-39 that is fully sheeted in balsa. Hope it helps.

http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthre ... 768&page=3

Post by **aferguson** » Sun Apr 03, 2011 6:08 pm

wow, that's amazing. The balsa is probably about the thickness of poster board. Not sure in my case if it would be any easier to use balsa, rather than just using poster board, although perhaps being able to putty and sand the wing roots is an advantage in itself...not easily done if using poster board.

Really produced a nice result. I wonder if he'd cover my Val for me if i asked him nicely.

Thanks for the link.

flyboy_fx · Post by **flyboy_fx** » Sun Apr 03, 2011 6:27 pm

Balsa sands very easy.

Airacobra · Post by **Airacobra** » Sun Apr 03, 2011 6:30 pm

I vote balsa as well. Send him a PM, he may have some good tips for you.

pickelhaube · Post by **pickelhaube** » Sun Apr 03, 2011 8:37 pm

I know about sanding balsa it is almost impossible to hide the grain.

Plus it takes forever to cover. Especially the fuse.

My Horten is balsa covered. I am going to cover it with thin styrene.

But it is only a wing.

Jay · Post by **Jay** » Sun Apr 03, 2011 10:28 pm

interesting....although....if you were really picky, you'd have to redo the tail plane section because those areas have no profile to them whatsoever.

Airacobra · Post by **Airacobra** » Mon Apr 04, 2011 6:12 am

pickelhaube wrote:I know about sanding balsa it is almost impossible to hide the grain.

Plus it takes forever to cover. Especially the fuse.

My Horten is balsa covered. I am going to cover it with thin styrene.

But it is only a wing.

Here is an option to help eliminate the grain on balsa sheeted surfaces and the dimples on foam models as well. Hope this helps.

http://www.wowplanes.com/product_info.p ... cts_id=130

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