1:18 vs 1:16

ram04 · Post by **ram04** » Thu Jul 01, 2010 1:42 pm

If one of the 1:16 RC manufactures would make static versions of their tanks would anybody buy them?

I just wonder if the 1:18 market is dead, 1:16 is doing well in the RC market and if they offered static versions would anyone here go that direction?, just a thought.

digger · Post by **digger** » Thu Jul 01, 2010 1:56 pm

Tanks go with figures for me, and 4" figs are my limit.

Panther F · Post by **Panther F** » Thu Jul 01, 2010 2:15 pm

You really can't go wrong with a Heng Long tank, just look for good prices from a good source. Treat it like a static piece and/or have something that works at the same time.

- Jeff

Threetoughtrucks · Post by **Threetoughtrucks** » Thu Jul 01, 2010 2:24 pm

I have several 1/16 vehicles, a few static Jeeps which I am proud to display next to my RC but static displayed armor.

I haven't used the RC features except maybe once when the vehicles was bought. Last time was when my Grandkid started running my King Tiger around my home with adults walking around just trying to fall over my KT. Dopey people, they could have hurt my KT. My KT is now permanently static.

TTT

ram04 · Post by **ram04** » Thu Jul 01, 2010 2:29 pm

I think there is a 1:16 static market, I have four 1:16 RC's that rarely moved under their own power, not that they can't, but mostly because I bought them for their size and all over coolness.

bananapirate · Post by **bananapirate** » Thu Jul 01, 2010 2:52 pm

digger wrote:Tanks go with figures for me, and 4" figs are my limit.

4" figs are actually the right size for 1/16

digger · Post by **digger** » Thu Jul 01, 2010 2:55 pm

Not really. A six foot man would be 4.5" in 1/16.
1/18 vehicles allows you to get away with 3.75" and 4" figs, of which there are all types.

cranedriver · Post by **cranedriver** » Thu Jul 01, 2010 3:29 pm

I think this thread need some pics of 1/16 armor with some XD guys around it. I have contemplated some 1/16 tanks especially now that the future dims for new 1/18 releases.

Post by **aferguson** » Thu Jul 01, 2010 3:38 pm

a contentious issue for sure (i'm sure i spelled that word wrong)

1/18 tanks and 1/16 tanks don't look great together. You can do it but there is a noticable difference. The same can be said for 1/18 vs 1/16 figures....quite a noticable difference.

4 inch figures and especially 21c figures do look ok with 1/16 mainly because they are a bit overscale themselves. Not in height per se, although they are all tall guys, but in head size, arm length etc, which makes them look bigger. They are really closer to 1/17 than 1/18. Given that most men, especially european men, weren't anywhere near 6 feet tall back in wwii, they look ok. Not perfect but ok.....but they don't look perfect with 1/18 either because they're really too big, so they are actually equally ok or equally not ok with either scale, depending on how you look at it.

Even if heng long started making static 1/16 versions of their tanks, i doubt the price would drop much....maybe $10. The r/c components really costs almost nothing and the weight reduction would be very small.

I'm going to start intermixing 1/16 and 1/18 tanks (just not the same vehciles) IF All-Go doesn't happen. They are the last best hope for 1/18 armour. Clearly FOV has no longer any interest and nobody else seems to either (except pickel of course

).

1/16 tanks are nice and big, roughly the same scale as 1/18 and are readilly available and more will be coming. 1/18 would be nicer, but after nearly 10 years in this hobby, i've run out of wait.

AMERICAN_GRENADIER · Post by **AMERICAN_GRENADIER** » Thu Jul 01, 2010 4:00 pm

very good points

normandy · Post by **normandy** » Thu Jul 01, 2010 6:25 pm

Well I have to admit that "coming soon" has gotten old. I've been a 1:18th collector from 21st's start, Thats when Tamiya's 1:16th static King Tiger was $ 400+. Figures of the same scale were $20 to $30 each!

Around 2000/01 I found 21st's Panther and then the P-51 for under $ 50 each. Figures followed and were affordable...and after a while articulation got better..........

So here we are some 10 years on and now 1:16th is now affordable and 1:18th is in limbo.............. For now I'll stick with the 1:18th armor and figures I have.
Still would like to have a 1:18th King Tiger.

But if 1:16th ends up to be the only choice, hmmmmmm go with it or quite the hobby.

Threetoughtrucks · Post by **Threetoughtrucks** » Thu Jul 01, 2010 9:47 pm

As Aferg states, a average man's size was smaller in WW2. A six footer was uncommon. Tank crews were even smaller. I've been in WW2 Jeeps, trucks and armor of all sizes and they were never built for your average six footer corn fed American.

I worked in the WW2 buildings in the Brooklyn Navy Yard in the 80's and the stairs in the WW2 and before buildings always got me. They were short narrow steps, made for little feet and 5+ foot people.

Comparing 1/16 vehicles with 1/18, there are noticeable differences but if you don't display the same vehicle side by side, they look fine. 1/18 figs look fine with both scale vehicles.

TTT

scbvideoboy · Post by **scbvideoboy** » Fri Jul 02, 2010 5:36 am

I like the tank and armor vehicles, 1/16 because of the R/C, Tamiya's existing lineup and size, plus many new items over the last few years, and 1/18 as that scale goes with the Star War figures and tons of 1/18 diecast vehicles.

DH

ram04 · Post by **ram04** » Fri Jul 02, 2010 8:09 am

Heres a few pictures of some together, all the German armor is 1:16 and the rest 1:18, sorry these photos are'nt the best.

Post by **aferguson** » Fri Jul 02, 2010 8:56 am

so they look ok. If one didn't know any better, those could easily be all the same scale. If one is very familiar with the sizes and relative sizes of tanks, they you can tell which are too big..

King O' Fools · Post by **King O' Fools** » Fri Jul 02, 2010 1:46 pm

You know you gotta a problem scale-wise when the shovel in the front of the Tiger is 'taller' than the 21st DAK guys.

ram04 · Post by **ram04** » Fri Jul 02, 2010 2:26 pm

Yeah, that shovel is kind of stupid, if you look there is another shovel on the tank, much more in scale, I'm sure that the shovel in front is not 1:16 scale

Post by **aferguson** » Fri Jul 02, 2010 4:21 pm

yes, that is one big shovel. Tiger is about 10 feet wide, so that shovel would be around 5 feet long. Up to most people's chin.

Big shovel. Then add 12% more for it being 1/16 and its a 67 inch shovel.....or the average height of a european male during wwii. Mind you they were very strong back then, so wielding a shovel of that size would have been little problem for them.

ram04 · Post by **ram04** » Sat Jul 03, 2010 12:47 pm

Honestly, they seem to mix okay and if you don't display them right next to each other I believe it would be tough to tell the difference.

ram04 · Post by **ram04** » Sat Jul 03, 2010 12:48 pm

By the way, that shovel has got to go

Post by **aferguson** » Sat Jul 03, 2010 1:34 pm

they do mix ok.....it depends on ones level of knowledge and perfectionism. But they are in the same 'realm' scale-wise. And look good enough that the casual observer would have no idea they weren't the same scale (as opposed to mixing 1/18 and 1/24 for example).

ram04 · Post by **ram04** » Sat Jul 03, 2010 1:55 pm

If I get a chance I"ll try to set some of them up outside, kinda in a diorama set up, I'll put some space between them and then see how off the scales are.

ram04 · Post by **ram04** » Sat Jul 03, 2010 1:58 pm

By the way aferguson, can't you get one of these guys to build you a Mosquito

Small Scale Military Headquarters

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